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Question remains:
Eth comes out with completly full decentralized app from beginning and full functionally smart contracts.
Lisk comes out with NO decentralized app. Maybe later......
So,this is enough for me to understand the differences.
Eth didn't release anything for half a year... |
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guys do you think that wednesday, when shapeshift will return online, there will be a dump?
just wait n see market, i hope a dump too  why should dump people more, if shapeshift is back? I don't find any reason... |
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Not entirely true. If waves decides to go to $25 i'd rather have 25k of them instead of 10k.  What you say is like having a $20 bill in your hand and wishing it to be $100. Nothing prevents you from such a wish, though that would be economically insignificant. you must be kidding. Isn't that reason why we invest? Turning $20 bills into $100 bills? No. The number of the Waves tokens you have will not increase. Their value might increase, and that is the reason why most people invest. So, if we pursue the analogy further, you should wish to buy more things with your $20 instead of wishing it to become a $100 bill. yea but at the moment we make a $20 out of a $100 and expect it to be able to increase in worth the same. With the same total amount and higher start marketcap. That can work but somewhen there will be a line, where it doesn't work any more. |
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Not entirely true. If waves decides to go to $25 i'd rather have 25k of them instead of 10k. What you say is like having a $20 bill in your hand and wishing it to be $100. Nothing prevents you from such a wish, though that would be economically insignificant. you must be kidding. Isn't that reason why we invest? |
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I have to ask again. Why do you think this kind of graph is fitting? Does it have any similarities to other commodities/currencies/assets?
For example gold long term, dow jones long term, any stock, nothing is fitting in there...
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EDIT: meine Fresse... auch als einer der Zuschauer Bitcoin anspricht reisst sie das Wort an sich und behauptet wirre Dinge ohne sie zu begründen: Also grundsätzlich, wenn wir über Geldsysteme reden, dann wissen wir alle: eine Geldwährung die gesteuert ist muss sich orientieren daran, was produziert wird, was an wertschöpfung passiert. [...] Ansonsten krieg ich Deflation beziehungsweise funktioniert das nicht mehr mit dem Geld.
Also: da fragt einer nach Bitcoin und die Trulla redet von den Aufgaben einer Notenbank und droht mit dem Deflationsmonster. Egal, weiter: Diese "Dr. Trulla" hat aber zu +100% vollkommen recht, eine Geldwährung orientiert sich im Idealfall (das "muss") an der Wertschöpfung. Das das nicht passiert steht ja auf einem anderen Blatt. Das ist ja auch schon das Problem mit Quantitative Easing, wo denn da die Wertschöpfung war. Oder wenn ein Bäcker ein Brötchen gebacken hat, das ein Kunde gekauft hat. Der Bäcker möchte für die Schrippe im Warenwert von 38cent natürlich eine Jährliche Anlagerendite von mindestens +5% auf diese 38cent und der Kunde hat das Dingen schon am selben Tag verknuspert und am Tag darauf ausgeschissen. Wertschöpfung ist das dann nur noch als Düngemittel. Geld bleibt nicht unbedingt vorhanden, selbst Investitionsgüter haben eine Abschreibung. Aber feiert euch ruhig gegenseitig weiter ab, als Karrikatur von Wirtschaftsverständnis dient ihr ja immerhin noch als Schlechtes Beispiel. Nur weil das so in schlauen Wirtschafts-Büchern steht glaubt jeder, dass es genau so laufen MUSS. Man sieht aber gleichzeitig dass es gar nicht funktioniert. Oder welche regulierte Währung hat denn bisher wirklich funktioniert? Länger als ein paar Jahre... Die Währung wird nicht nach der Wirtschaft ausgerichtet, sondern man versucht damit die Wirtschaft zu manipulieren. Wo ist der Beweis, dass das wirklich notwendig und besser ist? Eine Wirtschaft hat ihre Hochs und Tiefs und wenn versucht wird, Tiefs durch Manipulation zu vermeiden, werden diese nicht vermieden sondern verschoben. Sie werden kommen, nur schlimmer. Das ist genau das was uns die Geschichte in den Mega-Rezessionen immer wieder zeigt. Wäre stattdessen gar nichts reguliert worden, würde ein natürlicher Hoch-Tief-Verlauf entstehen. Aber wir meinen immer die Wirtschaft muss immer nur wachsen und wachsen. Das ist alles kurzfristig wunderschön, aber keiner will sehen, dass die Rechnung irgendwann bezahlt werden muss. Sie geht sonst nicht auf. Aber egal: Nach uns die Sinnflut... |
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ist der link defekt ?
bekomme
404-Fehler (Seite nicht gefunden)
na super, wollte es mir heut abend anschauen. die habens wohl offline genommen... |
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TBH, Lisk sig campaign was fairer because early supporters get more stakes. I believed in this project since day one and some will join last few days  whats wrong understandable in "distributed weekly"? Earlier adapters collect more stakes, so what are you talking about? or did I understand something wrong? |
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There are plenty of space in the altcoins world.
Both project are positive and can precede the community interest.
There is plenty of space in the altcoin world but Not enough Bitcoins in my wallet to participate in all of them  True that!  I would call that "bad luck" ;-) |
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Kann mir kurz jemand erklaeren was das Probelm mit LN ist? So wie ich das verstehe laeuft da alles ausserhalb der Bitcoin-Blockchain ab, mit dem Austausch von nicht gebroadcasteten Transaktionen. Wobei immer die Moeglichkeit fuer alle Beteiligten besteht, die Transaktion doch in die Chain zu schreiben, falls sich jemand nicht an die Regeln haelt. Egal ob da jetzt jemand ein neues LN-Protokoll drum strickt, das Bitcoin-Protokoll ist und bleibt hierbei immer die ausschlagebende Autoritaet.  Das einzige Problem ist, dass du trusted authorities brauchst für diese LN transaktionen. Das ist aber Sache des Nutzers. Er muss es wie du sagst ja nicht benutzen und die blockchain direkt nutzen und dafür höhrere transaktionsgebühren in Kauf nehmen. Eigentlich ist das System genial... Ist völlig irrelevant, mit welcher art Protokoll du die Blockchain umgehst, du wirst immer einen trusted middleman brauchen (ausser du baust ne sidechain rein). Warum ein anderes Protokoll dann besser sein soll enzieht sich meiner Logik. |
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...We wish Lisk team all the best and hope to cooperate with them in future.
Wise and reasonable, nothing to say against. As far as i could tell, it has always been a fanboy_girl war. never bet on one horse only ;-) |
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Hi bitcoin community,
Please be strong! We are under test... the question is...
If technical way is not possible. Can be bitcoin destroyed by creating false value ?
And the tool used for answer is ethereum.
Ethereum - 1 billion market cap in some months of existence ? why ? becasuse it can ? NO! Everything have a reason.
Ethereum is innovative ? why ?
If everything is possible with bitcoin... bitcoin can have in future 1 seconds block generation, cutted database by saving actual chain state,
bitcoin can be PoS - if it will be better, bitcoin can implement smart contracts... etc
no i really don't understand who is now buying ethereum
Be strong and hold bitcion, which have 7 years distribution and real value, don't be confused from outside
Ethereum maybe will be pumped, but i am sure, that here will day if fall more than 100%
Love all, Be strong, we will win!
guy don't be afraid. There will be more than one winner here. Bitcoin won't die just because another coin is successful as well. There are different business cases for them. Bitcoin will probably always stay as acurrency. ETH for example is more an asset than a currency... diversification is the key ;-) |
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People are still hyping waves in here? Oh dear Too bad so sad for the people that got scammed / got sucked in by the fraudulent claims made about the Waves team members.  grow up and try to answer such kind of posts like waves does with lisk hyping ones... ...
We wish Lisk team all the best and hope to cooperate with them in future.
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If you need support with donations - we can talk about everything.
But I don't see any reason for buying another coin of yours. I invested in one already.
We also lost someone who was working on BITZ. I am now working with another two and as I said we may come back to BITZ later. If you want to switch, why didn't you offer a certain percentage of mojo for the bitz holders? |
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I guess its strategically better to wait until waves ico is over...
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If you need support with donations - we can talk about everything.
But I don't see any reason for buying another coin of yours. I invested in one already.
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As we all know, BITZ is the smallest community in crypto. There are no posts in the thread, except to ask for a comment from the dev. There is very little trade. There is no interest in even donating a Satoshi for block explorers and nobody really cares. We made Mojo to be able to develop with some backing and funds. BITZ will have to manage by itself for a while and then we'll get back to it. The network is still running. I think some of the ideas we had for BITZ is being explored in MOJO and then it may find it's way back to BITZ. I don't know. Maybe we will use BITZ for some experiments, we'll see. BITZ is still here and we are still here but we are in a critical phase of MOJO right now.
You say, that there is less interest, but how can be, if there is no progress. I see, that you made another coin, but honestly I don't understand it. Its hard to get a coin on bittrex, and its done already. If you put the same amount of effort in bitz, there would be: - same possibility for improvement - more trade - higher price - as a result of higher price, funding of your bitz holdings Is it too much to ask to have a few comments from time to time? What should the community talk about, if there is no news? |
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sieht eigentlich alles super aus! Fühlt sich gut an einen long hier zu haben falls die nächste rally hier beginnt ja, theoretisch. Leider spielen die Haie nicht immer mit bei sowas... |
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The below are ROUGH estimates based on how much WAVES I have, divided by dollar spent.
35 WAVES / $1
350 / $10
3500 WAVES / $100
7, 350 WAVES / 0.5 BTC
14, 700 WAVES / 1 BTC
Thanks for your estimate, but ICO has only started 3 days ago and there is literally no way for us to accurately represent the actual worth of waves since there's so much time left until the end of ICO. We can only speculate. So far the only thing we can say for certain is that WAVES is going to be huge. I just don't know, whats the point to show it there, if it will be 1/4 at then end... I somehow feel like its a trick to let people spend more. I don't like it... lisk did the same and that didn't feel better... It felt way more professional with ethereum style selling, although its more or less the same shrinking percentage... but you feel more safe like: I bought that amount and it stays that amount... |
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