IOTA just launched the Data marketplace. Check the companies which are participating. https://data.iota.org/ this is gonna be huge. 2018 looks good for IOTA. Here's the list: "Accenture Labs, Agder Energi, Alliander, Alpiq-GridSense, APG SGA, Enexis Group, EPM, Blocklab (part of Port of Rotterdam), Bosch, City of Trondheim, City of Torino, Deutsche Telekom Innovation Labs, DNV GL, Assurance, Elering, Engie Lab, EWE, Farmforce, Fujitsu, ISMB, ICE Lab, Microsoft, Movimento (Delphi), Nordic Impact, NTNU, Orange, Oslo Business Region, Poyry, Samsung Artik, Schneider Electric, Sopra Steria, TINE, Trianel, TUM, Universidad Nacional de Colombia, University in Oslo, with more joining over the coming weeks. Dominik Schiener [3:16 PM]: we're working more closely with Microsoft and will have some more updates to share soon, in relation to Azure" |
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A paymetn system with zero transaction fee, of course that is big but what is a reasonable market cap for the coin?!
Is the idea that this will take over BitCoin or is the market of Ripple that IOTA is aiming for. Could someone enlighten me as to the possible size of the market for IOTA?
If we know that then we might eb able to calculate the possible gains of IOTA currently.
Estimates for IOT are in the 10s of trillions, so assuming iota gets 1% puts you at much larger than Bitcoin--m2m networks bring new money into the market. |
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The only one without a richlist is Monero. Apparently only cryptonite based coins understand that fungibility and having the largest anonymity set possible, require privacy as the default setting.
Thanks, What is a richlist? It's a list of the richest addresses. |
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The only one without a richlist is Monero. Apparently only cryptonite based coins understand that fungibility and having the largest anonymity set possible, require privacy as the default setting.
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the run to 10b market cap has begun!
Kind of annoyed, I waited a day for my final buy...it won't change the total, but still annoyed I have to pay a fomo tax. |
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Its likely but yeah hard to do, I think you than really needed to begin from the ginning of the bitcoin or have a big organization with higher profits.eb
Yes, from the ginning we will get higher profits.eb |
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Great news. I think once we break $1, we wont see sub $1 again.
TBH, I'm hoping we go sub .50, but don't think that's likely. |
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I think it is high risk becasue of the size of the project and the long time plan. It is hard to keep interest with investors and people for a long time since most want to get a return on their investment directly. That is why so many people are swingtrading instead of just keeping the coins they believe in despite what anyone is saying about the coin.
IOTA is an ambitious project and despite being a top ten crypto it should be considered a high risk investment (even when considering cryptos a high risk investment in of itself).
Bigger risk is not to hedge by investing in the guy who invented POS. |
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Did anyone look into sumokoin?
it is a fork of monero, seems they are working hard.
Seems they are working at merging Monero features, so why would I not just stick with the source of their inspiration. Until one of these clones does something extremely different, they are just riding Monero's coattails and hoping speculators buy into "The marketcap is small, therefore it can raise XXX!" |
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The reason Monero can never be highly valued is because it doesn't scale.
Basically the same problem as Bitcoin, but even worse.
"But, but, we have second layer solutions."
Fine, go ahead with your second layer centralized off-chain solutions, *poof* gone is your privacy.
Wasn't this privacy why you wanted to use Monero in the first place?
I'm baffled by how very few people realize this. Then again people are only on these forums to make more fiat and have very little interest in the tech itself.
Monero isn't trying to compete with visa. I'm baffled that people throw that expectation on Monero. |
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It's funny how much the new troll reminds me of primer, same defensive accusation of a circlejerk--not that that is an original sentiment, but it's funny how quick and whiney he is about it.
"When someone says something that we don't agree with he is clearly a troll" I understand there is a large sum of money at stake here but please, you sound like petulant children .. Relax, primer, no reason to get defensive. |
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Yes I know that with Ivancheglo, but now he showed a cryptographic proof for beeing the inventor of PoS and thats nice. Also interesting that Vitalik seems a little bit afraid to go into discussions with him.  It is good to see such a mind on board of IOTA. That is right. He did not give a cryptographic proof yet. But I think, why should such a brilliant mind adorn himself with borrowed plumes? Huh? He signed a bitcoin tx. What more proof do you need? |
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It's funny how much the new troll reminds me of primer, same defensive accusation of a circlejerk--not that that is an original sentiment, but it's funny how quick and whiney he is about it.
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+ 100% to the price, from November 1, not bad ... but to buy yourself a bit of a monero, I think we should wait for a rollback of at least $ 120. Or do you think that the price of $ 120 in the near future we will not see? Can you suggest in which areas this coin is actually applicable? Or while the main area of application is speculation?)  I think we will rather see XMR over 200 USD then around 120 USD. Coinbase will introduce 2018 new coins, my bet is on XMR and maybe IOTA. Honestly, what else is left? Small market cap coins? No. NEM, DASH, XRP? Or Bitconnect? lol NEO? Maybe. If you go through all those available coins only those 2 remain as high probability for introduction into Coinbase. XMR would be so available to people new to crypto and to bigger investors, as Coinbase wants to make the entrance for those buyers easier. With the coming storm into crypto we could see XMR prices above 500 USD. I highly doubt coinbase will touch XMR, it will turn into a money laundering off ramp and a legal/PR nightmare for coinbase if there is any hint they are involved with darknet money. May even potentially speed up the scenario where Monero is banned from a government level. That's dumb. Monero makes their kyc obligations all the easier. And governments trying to ban any crypto gives it that more legitimacy (as well as being unenforceable). Great counter point - "That's dumb" .. And yes yes I've heard of the streisand effect in regard to crypto but you would have to be beyond-gone-delusional if you think it wouldn't be a massive blow to Monero (or cryptos in general) if they had to be taken off certain exchanges that operate in specific countries or couldn't be accepted anywhere or the worst of all not being able to cash it out in any legal way when lets face it I would say 80-90% of people in crypto are in it just to simply make a profit. If Monero hopes to capture a percentage of the trillions in black market and untaxed, then yes, it would help if government's legitimized its use case. Speculators follow the money, investors find out where the money is going and set up camp  |
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+ 100% to the price, from November 1, not bad ... but to buy yourself a bit of a monero, I think we should wait for a rollback of at least $ 120. Or do you think that the price of $ 120 in the near future we will not see? Can you suggest in which areas this coin is actually applicable? Or while the main area of application is speculation?) I think we will rather see XMR over 200 USD then around 120 USD. Coinbase will introduce 2018 new coins, my bet is on XMR and maybe IOTA. Honestly, what else is left? Small market cap coins? No. NEM, DASH, XRP? Or Bitconnect? lol NEO? Maybe. If you go through all those available coins only those 2 remain as high probability for introduction into Coinbase. XMR would be so available to people new to crypto and to bigger investors, as Coinbase wants to make the entrance for those buyers easier. With the coming storm into crypto we could see XMR prices above 500 USD. I highly doubt coinbase will touch XMR, it will turn into a money laundering off ramp and a legal/PR nightmare for coinbase if there is any hint they are involved with darknet money. May even potentially speed up the scenario where Monero is banned from a government level. That's dumb. Monero makes their kyc obligations all the easier. And governments trying to ban any crypto gives it that more legitimacy (as well as being unenforceable). |
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In my opinion, I don't think that I will choose IOTA for my portfolio now. Its price is a peak now. It will decline soon
price swing up and down as always, the reason why IOTA could be capped right now is total market capitalization in my opinion since it is already on top 10 (or close to it) and there is no big room for growth unless bitcoin and other top move a lot higher My opinion is that iota will bring in corporate money as it solves a very real problem. Anything under a dollar is a gift. |
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XMR is moving up because all the fork wars coins are like x2 in price per coin with no real use :-D BCN is like a miniature XMR too >.>please put on RADARZZZ<<<<gobble gobble
 XMR is only going to double from here .03-.05 possible ~ BCN is possible x100 up :-D hodl XMR&BCN(tor market coins)<<< ot~ trey is not jerry If you hand me a flaming bag of shit, I'm not taking it--even if you tell me there's magical gold inside. You can keep your "tor market" premined reject. |
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It seems that South Korean like Monero very much. Almost 32 % of trading volume came from Bithumb exchange.
The demand of anynomous and privacy coins are high now. Dash and Monero are going up in value at the same time. Both coins got a very strong belief among the community members.
Anyone who uses dash for privacy is either ignorant or stupid. This is only proof that most speculators won't research beyond the announcement page and are more than happy to play fool in a game of greater fool. Sooner or later there will be a reckoning and the market will wise up faster than dashtards can pile their bs. |
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I cannot understand why dash has any traction. Can someone ELI5 for me? It makes me concerned that I may be fundamentally misunderstanding, well, everything.
It's genius in the way it keeps coins off the market and can let you collect passive income with minimal effort. It's terribly designed and I am waiting for someone to exploit one of the algos and make a killing while destroying it. TBH, I'm kind of surprised the FBI hasn't stepped in and thrown Evan in jail for running an unregistered security, but I'm guessing they will use that as proof that cryptocurrencies need regulation, so timing is crucial. |
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2 years seems generous. AFAIK Bitcoin is already obsolete and has lowered itself to the "store of wealth," argument. The darkmarkets were its one use case and that is gone. The whole idea that everyone is going keep using an expensive and slow network because it has brand recognition (or the good of all cryptodom) is absurd--my guess is it hits 10k to validate prognosticators and then continues the bleed into 40%, 30%, 20%... of total market cap.
Wait a second, BTC is not only 'store of value', but the most important - it's safe, bug-free as possible. If tech is delevoloping too fast you get the bugs like in ETH multi-sig wallets scenario. IOTA is a very nice concept of using graph and Winternitz 1t signatures, but I am not sure if it is robust or not. At the moment of course. Good point, but if I want privacy, I'm using monero. And if I want security, I'm using my debit card. And if I want machine to machine transactions or microtransactions, I'll be using Iota. My point was that Bitcoin doesn't have a usecase other than trading for alts or as a store of value. The secure network only matters if I can't use a debitcard, and in most of those cases, there's a premium on privacy, so Bitcoin is a no go. |
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