Yeah, think I made quite a bit predicting their downfall and today the odds for them really appeal to me. As long as I get these kinds of odds with Central Asian teams, I always think it's worth it.

It's not even about team news, it's just the form and value. 1 in 8 times only to win, that has to be an underestimation of Azeri football... or an overestimation of Swedish football.

10 mins to go before I can claim my win =)

So they had these memories of Bitcoin and thought this was the best way to celebrate or honour those memories?

Sait it before, I have no problems with people using Bitcoin for whatever they want, if the rules allow, but I guess I struggle to understand how they were inspired by Bitcoin's early experiments to result in this.

Guess that's why I'll always be a normie.

Thank you for the tag. I don't otherwise peek in Meta and wouldn't have known. I'll fix this tomorrow, good sizzle.

Good to know freebets taken care of -- don't forget to share. Hhampuz takes credit for that really, I'm just the messenger

I'll put up MD5 forms next Tuesday. It's already possible now but maybe odds are a little closer to final numbers if I give books a little time to adjust -- have a feeling internationals (injuries really) will have some small impact.

Napoli vs Real at little over 4/1 doesn't feel right to me. No Bellingham on one side isn't as bad as no Osimhen on the other?

Just found this now: https://swissramble.substack.com/p/european-wages-202122

Latest wage reports of the big leagues. Not really shocking, the biggest wages belong to United (I honestly expected City) but Liverpool aren't far behind, though it has to be said we signed lucrative contracts to keep Salah after paying out of the nose for VVD... it was a domino effect. It also doesn't count transfer costs so should note we got players mostly cheap, but ended up paying more to keep them (preferable to bombing on expensive players I guess).

I like the caps in American sports, I do wish there were more control in EPL. Thankfully, football is such a weird sport the highest wage spenders can still miss out on the big prizes.

Respect for Brentford. Killing it with 20% of the wages we pay.

Cricket easy, I chose the tourney favourites. No idea either, so picking the top 2 outrights favs (they have been since the start) was a no-brainer.

Tennis... my mistake. I meant to enter Rune =( Now I just need Sinner to lose next games but you certainly have the upper hand here. I guess this season I'm giving free passes out. Enjoy


As Trofo said, he got kicked out already a while ago. I remember, just can't find the post.

I don't =) Like I said, LN or debit card, and debit card is now how I pay for food buys. It was expensive even in normal times on chain (because the processor*cough*Bitpay*cough forces you to overkill on network fees). I've simply stopped using Bitcoin for those buys. Hasn't changed other deposit/sending habits, so I don't see that "true" use being harmed.

There's also the time, convenience, KYC, cost factored. The certainty of sending. These true nature things don't change. Just in September, a client asked for a bank transfer instead of crypto. One off. The transaction went through on my end, not on hers. Two weeks of confusion, calls, wondering where the hell the money went, finally to conclude a clerk in her branch rejected the amount because of wrong spelling of currency. This is 2023, but I wasn't shocked. I have 15 years of remote and distance work across multiple countries to know how difficult it can be to transmit money!

Bitcoin's true nature in a nutshell: if we follow the rules, I send something to you, I say exactly how much you get, I say exactly the fees I pay, you know exactly how much you get, you know for certain you'll get it, you know no one else will, you know it will never be revoked. People don't understand how precious this certainty and finality of settlement is... until you live and work all over the world (and have a not-so-desirable passport).

I'd happily pay these onchain settlement fees if I needed to maintain a node though, if most businesses knew the cost comparison with regular processor and all traffic uses Bitcoin, they'd move too.


It makes a difference to talk about percentage, not raw cost.

So yes, I'm not angry paying 1 mbtc for 100 mbtc, or $37 for $3700 (let's put it like that). Because to send the same $3700 with PayPal costs me 4% fees + bad rate. A bank costs me a flat fee but very poor rate. A remittance costs me 1.5% at great rate.

So to make my point clear, it's not the dollar value, but the percentage cost.


Actually, when people complain about the cost, they usually convert the fee amount to dollar, precisely why they then conclude expensive or not. But it's not meaningful without comparing percentage cost.

I agree it's expensive now to do small purchases/sends. I now keep mt spends to debit card. But my regular remittances/big purchases/deposits still far cheaper with BTC.

Ah I got it too, sorry about misunderstanding Omifikuse's situation -- or did I deliberately suss it out so that our poor sheriff can catch up? You're welcome, Igebotz.

Tsitsi's just gone done Rune a favour and counted himself out of the semis, in case anyone had lingering hopes there. Would have VAR'd snooker had I read it but guess I got saved there.

13. Brendan Allen
12. Michael Morales
11. Jordan Leavitt
10. Payton Talbott
9. Amanda Ribas
8. Uros Medic
7. Joanderson Brito
6. Chad Anheliger
5. Mick Parkin
4. Lucas Alexander
3. Lucie Pudilova
2. Nikolas Motta
1. Rafael Estevam

NOT go the Full Distance 4

1. No
2. No
3. No
4. No
5. No
6. 3 seconds

Haha complicated for the organiser but the player actually ends up submitting points over a form in 30 seconds (the additional research not required but clearly, rewarding). Multipliers are hidden for that spice. Once more, I think that's where the expertise/skill comes in.

Pure odds-based has that random degen element. Guy could still place 200 bets with 20mbtc and hopes he hits one 1000x. He'd be lucky and win it without much skill.

I like your idea too, something similar was done on forum before but without a bankroll, which should have attracted more participants but didn't (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=5323922.0). I like to think 15 ppl committing 20 mbtc is easy on a forum supposedly with 100s of gamblers but the reality is people here are hard to figure out =D

Someone should really try this. Pitch it =)

Got to agree with OP in a certain way, though I think personally it's less the dollar cost of the fee (although this will for a long time be the focus) but the percentage of the tx amount. So yes, miners will need the fees incentive but if the sat cost becomes too high, it makes it less interesting for me.

To be as objective as possible, me paying 1 mbtc in fees only becomes worthwhile for a 0.1 BTC send. Right now, I'm actually okay with the the 10k sat fee to pay for a 3 input spend of 10 mbtc. But I can imagine it's annoying to spend 1 mbtc for a couple of pizzas now without LN.

Still think the benefit of sending something over such a secure network is well worth the cost. Was hardly ever my issue anyway, LN or my debit card should cover my pizza spends...

Hello on Page 1001! Some kind of special credit that you guys have not only reached quantitative measures but qualitative ones as well. You got the numbers backing your presence and longevity, but the Sportsbet name also has a certain standard of trust on this forum. Some things you just can't buy; that's a testament to the investment (especially of time) you guys have made on this forum.


My favourite forum memory with Sportsbet is one of my earliest. Hard to beat winning a forum contest, getting flown to Doha for the CWC final, meeting SB top dogs super super passionate about crypto. After (lots of) liquid refreshment, heading to the stadium, shouting hoarse over a crazy noisy night wearing Liverpool shirt in the middle of tens of thousands of rowdy Flamengo fans (I was half-afraid to cheer tbh!), and then celebrating the cup late into the night walking in that sea of disappointed Brazilians.

It wasn't even just the football atmosphere, but that Sportsbet's owners actually came down to chow down kebabs and beer on the streets with a complete normie, just because of their passion for bitcointalk and crypto. And then getting to meet Steve all over again later on, meeting up with forum friends? Cherry on top.

XMR allows you to use more privacy features. Mind you, some of the built-in features can be used with Bitcoin (TOR connection for one, single address use is another). But it won't particularly help just to swap at an exchange and let it sit in your wallet. Particularly if that exchange knows who you are, won't be too hard to make the connection to your original coins.

Do as hugeblack says. Use a DEX, learn to P2P. But employ additional measures to enhance your privacy. Monero alone, even mixers alone, or any tool for that matter, and used improperly, gives you a false sense of sufficiency.

^Ajax is a talent factory. They've relied on producing and grooming talent to sell on and make profits while being just good enough to win a historically less competitive league to qualify for UCL, which brings in further revenues.

They'll always be attractive for young players because of that route -- their problems now are club management and scandal, and eventually not having enough good players to keep making the difference. And I said two seasons ago that they actually need to rethink their strategy. You need to retain players and cultivate a little more instead of churning them out, particularly now that their league competitors are getting much better.

P.S. Yes, yes, I'm trying to get over Liverpool. But better to purge the bad results at group stage with second stringers.

Omifikuse missing the round yet still winning the freebet? If there ever were a reason to enter your pick every time, late or not, this is it. Well done, winners!

So, slackovic, ready to meet my team of mismatched players? I'm 50-50 on Alcaraz, who just lost unexpectedly. That guy is an amazing player but with a fraction of Ruud's consistency, but I'm inclined to trust in him.

mv1986
Ulven
ajiz138

You guys won freebets, I already have Ulven and mv1986, so ajiz138 please send me your Rollbit.com usernames asap so we can credit you your freebets =)

I need to apologise here -- I swear I drafted out and even posted the winners of Matchday 4 freebets but apparently, I somehow skipped that part until a reminder came. Heh heh.

I'm a bit too lazy to redo the observations bit, but suffice to say, there was an increase in all-in vets on Pot B, and only a few of them hit -- as the group stages end, I expect more desperation and more such attempts. At your own risk, at your own rewards.


I have a vision of weighted points for a BSFL style selections, but in fantasy mode, assigning points to scenarios.

More like a Betbuilder, but hiding the odds/weight multiplier (so people need to research to find out the likelier/unlikelier outcome).

So for example:
ML outcome: (odds based multiplier)
Choose Scorer: (position-based + price-based multiplier)
Choose player: (price/market value-based + match rating multiplier)

The lower the player value/price, the higher the multiplier.
The farther the position of the player from goal, the higher the multiplier.

OR, instead of multiplier, a cost-based points like fantasy transfer budget. Choose as many scorers or players to count goals and rating, but expensive players cost more points.

I feel that is an even better risk/reward proposition + requires knowledge of the game to know best value players, lineups, etc.

Problem? I ain't got time for that haha.

Well, Chelsea took points off City, what a game, I missed all of it, but pity those who backed them in BSFL and still lost. It's cold here in Div1.


I didn't even really show up so you didn't have to fight so hard, stop complaining! Good job, you made quick work of me, switching players didn't do anything but I'll stick with my reserves + academy for my next round until my seniors make sure they get their fitness levels up.

Man, that is a horrible way to go, I know even the insurance doesn't lessen the hurt. Milan really seemed too good to miss, even after the Champs League victory the odds remained value, then they just remind everyone they are overperformers squeezing out the last bits of Giroud. They and Brighton are heavily invested into stats-based players but I think they are letting that cloud game management.

Hope you didn't fall for Napoli. No Osimhen, big problem.

Sounds good here, except I never plan on injuries, just prefer them to be fit and shit.

Liverpool's defence always a mess but statically still allowing the league's fewest quality chances so there's that. Also, all due respect to our Irish lad between the sticks, we lost on Thursday because we didn't have a Prem League keeper.