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A 5 days match cannot become appealing for cricket lovers in an era where T20 format dominates. You simply cannot spend an entire day watching cricket unless you have nothing to do on that day. I do not think ICC is in fault in any ways. It just that 5 days cricket is no longer the only option left for cricket fan. I also believe that this format will stay for sometime now and gradually will fade away.
You are looking at wrong. Test cricket has a dedicated fan base in Australia and England. India has okay representation as well and it's going up tbh, just follow the money in BGT, Ashes, The Pataudi Trophy (Eng vs Ind) or in some extent The freedom trophy (Ind vs SA) deals. T-20 is a beast and it'll attract more but it won't kill a Test format, at least not in BIG-3. The future is T-20 franchise cricket and ICC tournaments. The casualty would be Bilateral cricket, rightly so (not test bilateral but LOIS), I would like to see quadrilateral series instead of bilateral. |
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Things just got interesting in the T20 world cup. Namibia should have won the match today, but due to poor captaincy they lost 2 points. Gerhard Erasmus, for some unknown reason refused to sent two of his best hitters (David Wiese and JJ Smit) early on. These two came out to bat when 8 balls remained in the innings. And the match was very close and Netherlands won with just 3 balls to spare. Had Wiese and Smit got a few overs to spread their arms, the outcome could have been different. Now they need to defeat the UAE by a big margin.
They could have retired early or may be pulled out due to tactical decision. I guess there is a provision for tactical retired hurt in T-20 now. It's literally a crime that David Wiese got to face only 5 balls. In recent times he has an impressive SR in comparison to many batters when batting at death overs. |
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Look like Asian Cricket is going to be in big dilemma as India not coming to Pakistan in 2023 for Asia Cup so negativity
starting by these shit peoples surely going to be big set back for Asian Cricket because every time they started things like
these when Pakistan going to be on positive side.
Didn't the 2018 Asia cup move from India to UAE due to similar reasons? Didn't Pakistan pull out from the recent Chess Olympiad (Chennai, India edition), That too despite landing in India? If yes then it's business as usual for obvious reasons and you don't need to shit on only one side when both parties are playing the same game, just move on. I just hope PCB doesn't budge and host the Asia cup in Pakistan, even if India is not visiting, let them (BCCI) boycott. |
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The fight for the Super 12 group is looking nice.
2 associates nations beating 2 previous world champions convincingly tell you the story. When it comes to associate nations, I would prefer such upsets any day in WC and it would be amazing if these guys continue this kind of performance in the next group as well and potentially beat more teams, especially BIG-3 (Ind+Aus+Eng), they could use some humbling.
And most importantly in this process, I hope ICC wakes up and starts funding em more at least for LOIs
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Guys, what do you think? Should we cancel the pool if our numbers are less than 10?
Personally, I have no issues with just 7 or 8 members of I'm being honest since I feel that's plenty for a month of fun. Some of the participants in the previous pools weren't even active most of the time which is why I had no idea why they participated. If the majority feel that we should cancel this pool, that's what we should do. If not, we should proceed with it. Myself too don't have any issues with the number of participants. As @Haunebu said it gives plenty of fun throughout the month. Even now itself interesting things were happening with the warm-up and the group stage matches. Fair enough. Sure we'll obviously go with the majority and I believe no one wants to see the canceled pool. It would be a bummer if it happens tbh. Let's just hope that more people chip in soon. |
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Well done ICC!
WC has already started but full members still playing warm up matches on the sidelines.
These warm up matches look like a joke to me and kinda insulting to the ICC tournament and associate nations/ group A +B countries that are playing.
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Rambo is the nickname of Ramiz.
Yeah PIG -3 (BIG-3) group includes Eng, Aus, Ind.
PIG-4 concept is based on Ramiz's pet project of quadrilateral series (Limited overs) among Ind + Aus + Eng + Pak. ICC never favors any quadrilateral series, Ganguly had similar ideas of Ind + Eng+Aus + any country on a rotation basis (minus Pakistan).
So Ramiz Raja is the chairman for the Pakistan cricket board. But then If Ganguly and the company do not want to include Pakistan in the quadrilateral series, i am afraid Ramiz would not be able to convince them alone. And the ICC chairman would never be from Pakistan for sure not at least until BCCI has the financial power of the cricketing world. To be fair to Ganguly ( i took the liberty to add "minus Pakistan" because of obvious no bilateral cricket policy) he didn't table the proposal even to BCCI's board members. Never say never.
I've mentioned this to you earlier that there is narrative building in BCCI regarding the existing revenue model due to the recent media rights auction. This discussion could take place once ICC concludes the bidding process and reveals the numbers in Dec this year. Well... then it is a concern. And I am even more worried at this point, because Ganguly is no longer associated with the BCCI. If a former cricketer was in BCCI, then there was at least a hope that he would sympathize with the smaller (associate) nations. If the power is in the hands of businessmen and politicians, then we can't expect any such treatment. Before the ICC reveals the numbers in December, the chairman elections are there and may be held by November. It may gave a broad idea in which direction the ICC is moving. Everyone had the exact same thoughts when he took charge of the BCCI and look what he did. Anyway now Ganguly would again go back to the Bengal cricket board (i assume). Also heard that BCCI is not recommending him for ICC's post so let's see what happens. |
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2022 WC of upsets from day 1.  |
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It really is something I have no idea about even if someone outside India or Pakistan becomes the new Chairman of the ICC, they are not allowed to talk about the big four countries. I think anyone from India, Australia, New Zealand, or England is inclined to hope for the best of the big four. At this point, I think even the International Cricket Council might be in favor of this happening. It is also my impression that I and a lot of other people like me are very concerned about the new ICC Chairman working honestly. At this point, I personally do not care who comes and sits on the chair at the moment. As long as he is honest, he has a good chance of getting the job. For some reason, I believe that this is the one criterion that no one is going to be able to fulfill. Overall agree with the sentiments but want to correct on 1 small thing. There are no BIG-4 (Definitely not NZ) in the cricketing world financially, only BIG-3 (Ind, Eng, Aus). But yes other cricketing boards want to enter this club due to the financial benefits which are related to big Bilateral series deals. Most cricket boards avoid expressing this openly because they hardly put anything on the table, except PCB ( most of the time due to entitlement and sometimes due to genuine reasons when it comes to BCCI). The next ICC chairman shouldn't be from India or Pakistan but some other country.
Because if someone from India takes the chair then that individual could potentially start a discussion of PIG-3 type model again (financially).
And if Rambo becomes the head then he'll surely push for PIG-4 series model, he was very vocal about it in the ICC meetings.
Pig-3 model was thrown in the dust-bin a few years ago and I don't think that it will be possible to revive it no matter how much the BCCI, ECB and CA try. By now the lower tier test nations have realized the danger in having the pig-3 financial model, and all of them are solidly against that idea. And the voting structure of ICC has also changed, giving two additional slots to Afghanistan and Ireland. For the pig-3 nations, it won't be easy to garner the required majority (9 out of 16 votes) for any such proposal. Never say never. I've mentioned this to you earlier that there is narrative building in BCCI regarding the existing revenue model due to the recent media rights auction. This discussion could take place once ICC concludes the bidding process and reveals the numbers in Dec this year. ~snip~
Just to be clear can you tell who is "Rambo" and who is included in "PIG-4" ? As far as i know, PIG 3 included England, Australia and India, Right  So who is that extra country in PIG four? Rambo is the nickname of Ramiz. Yeah PIG -3 (BIG-3) group includes Eng, Aus, Ind. PIG-4 concept is based on Ramiz's pet project of quadrilateral series (Limited overs) among Ind + Aus + Eng + Pak. ICC never favors any quadrilateral series, Ganguly had similar ideas of Ind + Eng+Aus + any country on a rotation basis (minus Pakistan). |
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@JSRAW, Some team has made a few changes in their squad. India, Pakistan and South Africa has replaced one players from their main squad. Shami, Fakhar Zaman and Marco Jansen has taken in to the main squad from the reserved players. Bangladesh has added two players, Shoriful Islam and Soumya Sarkar in their squad. They removed Sabbir Rahman and Mohammad Saifuddin from the squad. I hope you will update the squad list in your post. Guys, what do you think? Should we cancel the pool if our numbers are less than 10?
There are 7 people in the pool who has paid the entry fee. Perhaps, we may get 3-5 more people within the remaining days. Have you tried to get an sponsor for this discussion pool? Yeah, I've noticed the notifications of the respective cricket board, just got lazy to update the thread. I'll do it soon, thanks for the update. Most of us (at least me) are hoping that we'll get at least 3-4 more punters soon, let's hope for the best. Unfortunately no, I haven't tried for a sponsor here. |
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^^ oh really? I haven't checked the group yet. (okay just checked) guess need to extend it for like 6-ish more days. Thanks for the update. I think I haven't joined yet on the pool. It simply isn't much interesting when you see very few participants here. I can't believe that we can't even make it at least 10. Sadly many are missing here. Bitcointalk Cricket Community is dying gradually. @Pffrt and @akhjob are not active anymore
I sent a PM to Pffrt but haven't heard back from him recently. He seems to be very busy in real life. And so does, akhjob. I have him in telegram, I will inform him now but I don't think he is going to join us, as far as I know he is very much with his job. I agree and it would be boring if we are less than 10 participants @RapTarX also mentioned the same thing at the start. According to superbru (Super 12 contests) We still have 6 more days to go (thanks to Haunebu) so there is some hope. Guys, what do you think? Should we cancel the pool if our numbers are less than 10? |
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The next ICC chairman shouldn't be from India or Pakistan but some other country.
Because if someone from India takes the chair then that individual could potentially start a discussion of PIG-3 type model again (financially).
And if Rambo becomes the head then he'll surely push for PIG-4 series model, he was very vocal about it in the ICC meetings.
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^^ oh really? I haven't checked the group yet. (okay just checked) guess need to extend it for like 6-ish more days. Thanks for the update.
It looks like not many are interested in WC this year. We just attracted 7 participants so far.
@Teosanru @eaLity and @Swordsoffreedom are missing atm. @Pffrt and @akhjob are not active anymore, just like Vishnu.
@Maidak @Little Mouse Guys please check your inbox. I've sent you the pool link, plz join.
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Based on the previous match of Sri Lanka I expected something better. I believed they'll score atleast 110+ runs. Even before the match it is almost confirmed that India is going to be the winner. Throughout the tournament India Women team played good cricket. Sri Lanka Women team have improved. In this tournament I saw a big change in performance from the Pakistan Women team. Hope they'll give good competence in its future matches.
They have improved overall but this was truly a shitshow from Lankan Women's team. I knew that India would win due to their dominance in Asia Cup but everyone expected better competition from the Lankans, especially after their thrilling win against Pakistan but they failed royally today. |
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I feel you didn't follow his tenure or might missed all his mess. Here are few of his fuckups.
- He messed up Virat's situation big time. Both were at fault overall but as a BCCI's chief one has to show some grace, he kept leaking private conservation via his shady Journalist (Boria Majumdar), the same guy who got banned from BCCI when he threatened the WK Saha. Dada also went to the media and started talking shit, in response Virat had to come into the media and he literally called him a liar when a journalist asked about his and Dada's conversations and it lead to Virat's resignation from the Test captaincy.
- Dada leaked so much info about almost all players which no one liked.
- He was doing some betting promotion ( which i don't mind at all) but he was BCCI head at the same time. There are some thing called conflict of interest when you are leading a org.
- He delayed the WIPL. He made a fake promise regarding domestic cricketers's salaries during covid and didn't take any steps in this regard until it backfired.
- No need to mention that he overstayed at his position.
Well, if we consider these things, it really feels like he was one of the worst BCCI Presidents. But the point I was trying to make is that when all the candidates are corrupt, obviously you need to choose the one which is the least corrupt and is most likely to help you the most. I cannot say Ganguly was the most ideal president but he was also not the most awful. I am willing to agree with you on something which is that the Virat Kohli situation was a really big fuck up. He was one of the top players in the world. Ganguly should have helped him but instead, he did the worst thing possible for him. The other things which you mentioned, I think I will let those slide but not the Virat Kohli situation. Another thing I would like to know is whether the BCCI has any other suitable candidates besides Ganguly? If so, Ganguly should not be the BCCI President again. The problem is everyone had very high hope from the Ganguly but he took his job as Sarkari job and got busy settling personal scores with the players, which somehow distracted him I suppose and that irked everyone including fans. He wasn't worst candidate but he messed up things with the Indian team. Roger Binny will replace him, he has a clean and polite image so let's see. He wasn't the worst guy but he didn't help his cause much |
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Hilarious. How exactly did Ganguly do a good job? He was just another corrupt official who raked in a huge salary annually while doing a mediocre job as the BCCI president. That is the obvious truth.
He most probably got kicked from his position because he wasn't willing to join BJP which ended up screwing him over. Think!
You know, politics plays a significant role in sports in India. There is obviously no doubt that Ganguly's unwillingness to join the BJP was a crucial factor that impact his re-election as BCCI President in spite of his absence from the BJP. Having said that, I think he did more than a decent job in my opinion. However, I do agree with you that he did take a huge salary for the job he did. The amount of salary that he received seems to be a large amount considering the amount of work he did. The BCCI, on the other hand, is exactly the kind of organization that can easily afford to spend that kind of money. I feel you didn't follow his tenure or might missed all his mess. Here are few of his fuckups. - He messed up Virat's situation big time. Both were at fault overall but as a BCCI's chief one has to show some grace, he kept leaking private conservation via his shady Journalist (Boria Majumdar), the same guy who got banned from BCCI when he threatened the WK Saha. Dada also went to the media and started talking shit, in response Virat had to come into the media and he literally called him a liar when a journalist asked about his and Dada's conversations and it lead to Virat's resignation from the Test captaincy. - Dada leaked so much info about almost all players which no one liked. - He was doing some betting promotion ( which i don't mind at all) but he was BCCI head at the same time. There are some thing called conflict of interest when you are leading a org. - He delayed the WIPL. He made a fake promise regarding domestic cricketers's salaries during covid and didn't take any steps in this regard until it backfired. - No need to mention that he overstayed at his position. |
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^^ It's a practice match for both sides. Every team is in practice mode nowadays so atm win-lose doesn't matter much to anyone.
As long as they short out their combination by testing them and hope some players get their form back.
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I thought the final would be India Women vs Pakistan Women, but things changed at the last overs of the match where Pakistan was unable to score 9 runs in 6 balls. Nida Dar contributed good, but she wasn't able to make it a winning match for them. Achini Kulasuriya bowled well at the last over making Srilanka win by 1 run. The final will be played on 15th October, India Women vs Srilanka Women.
What Pakistan women team lost the semifinals just by 1 run? I thought the target was achievable and I skipped the match. Did they forget they had plenty of wickets in hand? They could have started hitting in the in the last over it was only 9 runs they needed to win the semifinals. I never expected Srilanka to win this match. That was a really fine contest between both sides. Kudos to all girls to make this match interesting. When I checked the match Pakistan Women were in a strong position with 60-ish runs in 10 overs after losing just 2 wickets. I thought it would be cake walk victory for them but Sri Lankan Women pulled out a blinder.
Heads up guys.. |
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BCCI New Office BearersPresident: Roger Binny (Karnataka) Secretary: Jay Shah (Gujarat) Vice President: Rajeev Shukla (UP) Treasurer: Ashish Shelar (Maharashtra) Joint Secretary: Devajit Saikia (Assam) IPL Chairman: Arun Dhumal (Uttarakhand) Sourav Ganguly lose board’s trust and below are major reason for being sidelined and his biggest accomplishments was bringing in Rahul Dravid as head coach and VVS Laxman as the NCA director. There is more to it. Ganguly was close to BJP when he took over from Anurag Thakur.
He was tipped to stand in as BJP’s face in West Bengal elections.
But his refusal to criticise West Bengal CM Mamata Banerjee and not joining BJP did not work in his favour.
Despite meetings with BJP top brass besides Home Minister Amit Shah, he kept himself out of politics.Source : Sourav Ganguly STUMPED & unceremoniously shown the door from BCCI, left completely sidelined in BCCI’s politicsWhen sports is mixed with politics this is what happens. Just think of Jay Shah, does he know anything about cricket. He's the son of Amit Shah which is the only reason for him being the Secretary. Sports need to be allowed to function independent. IMO cherry-picking is not a good idea. Dada might have fallen out with his political connection but no one can deny that he was a big failure as BCCI's boss, not to mention he overstayed so there are many reasons to replace him with a new face and not just political reasons. Jay Shah is a product of nepotism but at the same time, it's also true he's not that bad with his administrator skills. Being a cricketer and an administrator are 2 different things, it helps if a man in charge is former player but it doesn't guarantee that he'll succeed when leading the board. |
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Do you know the funny part?
The very same team beat the Indian main team in the previous bilateral series (test and ODI) and exact same proteas team, which is full strength got humbled by the 2nd string Indian team.
I'm starting to think that Indian selectors should start playing with the 2nd string team everywhere, they can't do that bad considering the main Indian team gets a bloody nose in every ICC tournament.
I like the last part and you have a valid suggestion. Main players such as Kohli and Rohit have failed again and again in ICC tournaments. Maybe time has come to give chances to some of the younger players such as Avesh, Ishan and Washington in the ICC tournaments. Anyway the squad has been announced already and I am not expecting any last minute changes now. And to be honest, I don't have any hope that they will lift the trophy this time. The team is not even taking it seriously. Look at the number of warmup matches that are scheduled. It was supposed to be a joke but the more i think, it does make sense overall lol Bowling and opening pair (read; KL Rahul) looks weak to me, hope I'm wrong. Let's hope they survive the group stage first against Pak-SA and reach at least knockouts. |
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