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1461  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: June 17, 2023, 01:55:34 PM
England bossing atm. Dreadful batting display from the Australian batters. Warner, Marnus and Head just threw away their wickets.

David Warner is Broad's bunny but he got out on a mediocre delivery. Marnus's dismissal is understandable as sometimes a batsman gets out on the first ball although he was too greedy with his shot and the same story with Head, the dude was looking so good but he lost it.

1462  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: June 17, 2023, 01:46:31 PM
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This sort of qualifier round tells the story of how badly ICC operates in general and is not interested in spreading the game.

All of them or at least 6 teams should've been qualified for the WC but only 2 teams will move into main groups. Ideally, every team should've played the qualifiers.
Sadly in last few years we have no good administrator who love this game and bring good change for the improvement of this game and also have good strategy which helps this game for having the good number of participants which is surely not good right now we have few countries which are capable of having quality teams and mostly others are lacking of experience and funds which are not helping them for increasing quality and performance now they are reducing participants in world cup which is also not positive thing with going for the Olympics is also not sure from this all I understand we are still living 2 or 3 decades behind this current time and have no positive chances in coming years as well even we have good interest in this game from many African and Asian countries which is good for the game.
"Administrator who loves the game" looks like a myth to me now.

Before there were some arguments about former players sitting at the main table would help the game but look at Ganguly and Rambo's gig with the BCCI and PCB respectively.

Both of them were good cricketers and in general, had the reputation of a good cricketing mind but the kind of drama these guys created, their stint was pure shitshow. The same argument could be made about ICC's chair too.   
1463  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: June 17, 2023, 10:53:37 AM
This particular duo (Coach and Skipper) taking a radical approach that is alien to the English cricket psyche and to an extent world cricket as well. During this period ofc they will make a lot of mistakes and lose the matches but still, they would be in a very good position considering their pre bazball era situation.
This is a great approach if you ask me since it livens up test matches in unexpected ways. Tests become more entertaining since they resemble ODIs and T-20s during certain periods.

This was a clever move by McCullum since England is a very strong T-20 team and he is using that advantage excellently in tests.
Yeah and tbh they needed some sort of new approach for the test cricket because a couple of years back they were in shambles and continuously hitting the new bottom in every single match.

Also, i still think, this type of aggressive cricket will only succeed on flat or batting friendly decks. Having said that if they succeed for 1 complete cycle on challenging wickets then one can look back and say yeah it was amazing.

1464  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: June 17, 2023, 06:26:46 AM
One more daring declaration from Stoksey and that too on a flat deck. Pretty much against the traditional wisdom but that's what Stokes and Maccullum promised when they took charge.

This could blowback if Australia digs in for the next 5 sessions but with bazball approach one thing is for sure there would be no draw and some excitement along with village cricket entertainment for the cricket fans, that's what counts in the end.

This is not daring, but stupid IMO. On one side you have Bangladesh who refused to declare against Afghanistan despite getting a lead of over 650 runs and on the other hand we have Stokes who declared the first innings despite having a lead of less than 400. It can be termed as insulting towards the Australian batsmen. Doesn't Stokes think that the Australian batsmen are capable of scoring over 400 in a flat track? And let's not forget the fact that the English attack is being led by James Anderson who will be 41 years soon.

There is a fine line between bravery and stupidity and that's a bazball approach for you.

This particular duo (Coach and Skipper) taking a radical approach that is alien to the English cricket psyche and to an extent world cricket as well. During this period ofc they will make a lot of mistakes and lose the matches but still, they would be in a very good position considering their pre bazball era situation.
1465  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: June 16, 2023, 09:45:38 PM
There are a lot of teams playing in the qualifiers. It would have been great if at least four teams qualified for the World Cup from this. They could easily do that because it is not a hard job to select 4/5 teams from the 10 that are playing.

But of course, ICC is not interested in giving these teams any chance and they are only interested in making sure that West Indies and Sri Lanka qualify for the World Cup because that is going to generate them better money compared to if some associate country qualifies.

The official explanation is that the media rights holders (Disney-Star) doesn't want smaller (i.e Associate) teams in the world cup. So the number of participants was reduced from 16 in the 2007 ODI World Cup to 10 as of now. But then the question remains. If only 10 nations are participating in this tournament (out of that 5 from the South Asian region), how can you call it as "World" cup? There should have been a middle way, which would make sure that some of the associate nations get to participate and also the media rights holders are happy. But as of now, not even all the full members (12) are included in the world cup.
If given a chance then these folks would like to organize only marquee fixtures similar to India vs Pakistan or India vs Australia vs England for all 25 days and call it WC.

The debacle of the 2007 World Cup still haunts the broadcasters and ICC hence the monkey balancing.
1466  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: June 16, 2023, 05:32:15 PM
One more daring declaration from Stoksey and that too on a flat deck. Pretty much against the traditional wisdom but that's what Stokes and Maccullum promised when they took charge.

This could blowback if Australia digs in for the next 5 sessions but with bazball approach one thing is for sure there would be no draw and some excitement along with village cricket entertainment for the cricket fans, that's what counts in the end.
1467  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: June 16, 2023, 03:27:10 PM
In a country where swing plays a big role, this is the flattest wicket one could get. If you look at it deeply then it tells you about the insecurities of England in their Bazball approach. In fact this deck could be par with Pindi's pitch as well because here you have to throw your wickets.

Still, I'd like to see the result and this might be possible with some daring declaration from Ben Stokes (again). But for now, enjoy the longer version of ODI on an absolute road.

1468  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: June 16, 2023, 08:03:16 AM
Lol, now this is pure bullying and stat padding from the Bangladeshi batters.  Grin

They have more than enough runs on the board but still no sign of declaration and piling up more runs. They are surely going to make some kind of winning margin record if they clean up Afghanistan cheaply in 4th inning.
1469  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: June 16, 2023, 07:37:43 AM
The 90s was really dark period in world cricket due to match-fixing, many teams were facing at least some sort of allegations and Pakistan was on top in this regard so there might be some truth to it.

We know how many match-fixing allegations were popping up against the Indian players and some proved to be correct.
Yeah.. it was a very turbulent period. Dawood and his gang were openly fixing matches with tacit approval from the boards. He used to visit the stands at Sharjah cricket stadium, when the matches were in progress and no one would say anything. After a lot of outcry, 2-3 Indian players were handed down suspensions (Jadeja, Azharuddin.etc) for their role in match fixing. But nothing happened to them. After a few years these bans were overturned and the fixers got plum posts within the state cricket boards. It was the small fish like Cronje and Boje who got punished. Cronje even lost his life in a very suspicious accident. A few years later, Bob Woolmer also died under mysterious circumstances.
No one can do anything against these mafias because they have strong influence and power around the globe which works for them and with this all they can bring changes in anywhere specially in Asian region because here we have not strong judicial system and mostly political parties are also involved in this dirty game as well which is another story but as we have too much involvement in this game few decades back now all shifted due to new franchise system which is much better and safer for these mafias.

Recently we have still many rumors about few things, but now it's all mostly for the media intention because balance of power is completely balances and things are happening through top level which is giving all parties their share, so now we have no voices about this all.
TBH now the situation is much better compared to a couple of decades back. We hardly get to hear the big scale of the spot-fixing drama.

ICC anti corruption unit doing an alright job in this regard. Players are briefed regularly and from time to time they come forward if someone contacts them, sure this problem can't be cured completely but it's manageable atm or maybe Fixing-system became too sophisticated.
 
1470  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: June 16, 2023, 07:29:03 AM
~snip~
This sort of qualifier round tells the story of how badly ICC operates in general and is not interested in spreading the game.

All of them or at least 6 teams should've been qualified for the WC but only 2 teams will move into main groups. Ideally, every team should've played the qualifiers.
1471  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: June 15, 2023, 05:50:49 PM
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Am excited for this particular series since I feel that England will provide a better challenge to the Australians when compared to India due to their bazball approach. Brendon McCullum should be proud of his epic achievements.

I'll bet on England to win the series and I hope the contest between these two giants goes down to the wire.
It's 5 match test series so it should be challenging and competitive for both teams. Also, comparisons should be made between 4-5 test match series and not one off test encounters.

Because long series gives a better opportunity to fight back unless your opponent is completely down. Expecting a run-fest in the first test and a high run rate innings from England due to obvious reasons.
1472  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: June 15, 2023, 01:13:12 PM
The Ashes is coming with a lot of hype in Australia and England.

Before the series skipper Ben Stokes and coach Brendon Mccullum both doubled down on Bazball and requested flat pitches for the series and it looks like they are getting one for the first match.

https://twitter.com/GeorgeDobell1/status/1668599782334509056

1473  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: June 15, 2023, 08:31:25 AM
Bangladesh overpowered the Afghans in all departments without breaking a sweat.

It looks like a warm up fixture for Bangbros and punishment for Afghanistan, not sure if this kind of schedule will help Afghanistan in the long run if they are playing a test match once in a while.

1474  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: June 15, 2023, 08:25:41 AM
Kenya had the potential to be a far better team than they are today. I would also say that Kenya actually had the potential to be better than Bangladesh. But just because nobody wanted the African continent to be improved in cricket and also just because cricket was controlled by the mafia, Kenya did not get the test status. Instead, it was given to Bangladesh. And we all know Bangladesh has actually not improved in tests. At least liked as well as they should have. If it was Kenya, I believe the improvement was going to be better. I am not feeling that Bangladesh has not improved in anything. Bangladesh has done very well in the ODI format. Back in test cricket Bangladesh still sucks.

I don't have anything against Bangladesh. My only problem is that back in 1999 (a few weeks after the ODI World Cup), Bangladesh was given the test status and the same was refused for Kenya. And back then, Kenya was a much stronger team. Bangladesh had one remarkable victory in the 1999 World Cup against Pakistan, and that was the excuse for giving them the test status. But a lot of people claimed later that this particular match was fixed. Kenya was consistent until 2003 or so, but once Srinivasan and Pawar got the power they destroyed smaller teams like Kenya.
The 90s was really dark period in world cricket due to match-fixing, many teams were facing at least some sort of allegations and Pakistan was on top in this regard so there might be some truth to it.

We know how many match-fixing allegations were popping up against the Indian players and some proved to be correct.
1475  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: June 14, 2023, 05:42:12 AM
It's not a question of right or wrong. He's already 36 yo and can't hold a captaincy for a long due to his age and everyone is looking at the next WTC cycle, he'll be 38 by then.

He also can't play all 3 formats anymore, he has to choose his poison and drop other formats, possibly ODI(after WC) and T-20 (not IPL tho), then maybe there is a chance of him extending his test career for 2 more years.

It's the same for every senior player, who is in mid 30. Everyone makes a way for new blood so nothing new. It's part of the transition process and management needs to think about it now as you don't want to face a situation where your all senior players taking retirement at the same time.    

These players in their mid-30s and late 30s can't play all the three formats and then also get involved in the IPL. They need to make a choice. If they want to take part in IPL, let them do that. I have mentioned this a few times - BCCI need to have separate squads for limited overs and test cricket. At this point only a few players such as Cheteshwar Pujara and Ajinkya Rahane concentrate fully in the longer format. India do have the talent pool to create separate squads for different formats and domestic players such as Sarfaraz Khan and Abhimanyu Easwaran can be included in the test squad.
The main problem in our system is that players hardly take voluntary retirement due to brand values and when they are forced to do this or dropped their PR teams and troll fans get active with hashtags and other useless drama.

For the Windies test series, they are adding 2-3 new guys and i think Sarfaraz and Abhimanyu's names are missing from the list. 


Mirpur Sherebangla Stadium is said to be a lucky venue for Bangladesh because top teams like India, England, Australia, South Africa, New Zealand have been whitewashed in this Mirpur.
Just for heads up, forget about whitewashing. Bangladesh still searching for its first test victory against India,
1476  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: June 14, 2023, 12:02:03 AM
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It was clear from the start that Rohit was a captain for a limited time. In T-20 Hardik already took charge, In ODI Rohit will remain the Captain, at least till WC and for a time being in the Tests too. All these guys are 34+ so no one would be captain for a long period of time and I believe it's safe to say Ashwin will never get a captaincy. Need a younger guy in a captaincy role for sure.

Dravid contract is about to finish after ODI WC so there won't be any sacking.  

I don't see anything wrong with Rohit Sharma's captaincy as India bowled fairly well in the final of the World Test Championship but it was the complete batting that failed them especially the Indian top order batsmen in both the innings. So what could Rohit Sharma do in this case. But there were some mistakes in the captaincy, those mistakes had to be corrected by losing the wtc final.
It's not a question of right or wrong. He's already 36 yo and can't hold a captaincy for a long due to his age and everyone is looking at the next WTC cycle, he'll be 38 by then.

He also can't play all 3 formats anymore, he has to choose his poison and drop other formats, possibly ODI(after WC) and T-20 (not IPL tho), then maybe there is a chance of him extending his test career for 2 more years.

It's the same for every senior player, who is in mid 30. Everyone makes a way for new blood so nothing new. It's part of the transition process and management needs to think about it now as you don't want to face a situation where your all senior players taking retirement at the same time.    
1477  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: June 13, 2023, 11:28:52 PM
Looks like Rohit might get replaced as the test captain in the near future based on information from various sources. Dravid might also get sacked since he hasn't really helped the team achieve much so far.

If Rohit does get replaced, I hope Ashwin gets a shot or Kohli should return since these two have great leadership qualities.
It was clear from the start that Rohit was a captain for a limited time. In T-20 Hardik already took charge, In ODI Rohit will remain the Captain, at least till WC and for a time being in the Tests too. All these guys are 34+ so no one would be captain for a long period of time and I believe it's safe to say Ashwin will never get a captaincy. Need a younger guy in a captaincy role for sure.

Dravid contract is about to finish after ODI WC so there won't be any sacking.  

1478  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: June 13, 2023, 02:14:06 PM
@Sithara007 Something interesting happening between Disney Hotstar and Zee. Do you remember these parties made a statement regarding sharing ICC rights?

Guess what? It's still not final after 8 long months. At the same time, Disney made the Asia Cup and ICC tournaments free to watch for its mobile users. 2014 Jio effect happening again, this time with the streaming domain.

Don't know much about the first part. I thought that the deal was already finalized. And regarding the free broadcast for Asia Cup and ICC World Cup, I guess it is available only for mobile users. Hotstar is trying to replicate the JioTV model, where the OTT platform ended up with significant advertisement revenues during this season of the IPL. That said, I don't know how successful this model can be, given the fact that ad revenues are way below the amount both these companies paid for the IPL media rights (₹25,484 crore for Star India).
The first part is juicy news lol. The second part was bound to happen because of Mota Bhai.

They did announce the merger on an ICC media rights deal (50-50) but so far Zee didn't pay a single penny to Disney and the latter didn't pay anything to ICC but for some weird reasons, it got stuck and still is in discussion mode.
1479  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: June 12, 2023, 02:45:36 PM
Have no idea what Gill was thinking when he posted that tweet about his controversial catch. He has a very promising future since his batting skills are top-notch, but he needs to think more maturely.

These sorts of silly mistakes could cost him his career. He should have let out his frustration privately.
This sort of bravado is not going to cost his career but surely he came out as an immature guy. He's young so one can hope in the future, he'll try to control his emotion and not react abruptly.

Otherwise, he doesn't strike me as a brat. In fact, overall he looks grounded to me.

 
1480  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: June 12, 2023, 07:57:29 AM
@Sithara007 Something interesting happening between Disney Hotstar and Zee. Do you remember these parties made a statement regarding sharing ICC rights?

Guess what? It's still not final after 8 long months. At the same time, Disney made the Asia Cup and ICC tournaments free to watch for its mobile users. 2014 Jio effect happening again, this time with the streaming domain.
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