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2181  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: August 26, 2022, 06:22:06 AM
Poms are off to a good start in 2nd test.

Kinda surprising team selection from the Proteas. They left out Marco Jansen, in the last match he contributed with the bat and ball both. Instead, they selected another spinner in the playing XI. They must be thinking of some turn on 4th-5th day. Otherwise, there is no other explanation for having 2 spinners.

Simon Harmer was one of the most promising spinners in South Africa, before he quit international cricket to join county cricket as a Kolpak player. Back then he was irritated by the race-based selection policy of South Africa. After almost a decade of negotiations with CSA, Hamer finally agreed to represent South Africa, if he is given enough chances. For the selectors, the promise given to Harmer needs to be carried out and Jansen became the scapegoat despite performing exceptionally (both with the ball and with the bat) in the first test.
Just checked on him more closely after reading your comment and it seems he does have a nice reputation in domestic but let's see what he does here.

Also, I won't rule out @pakhitheboss comment that this match could finish in 3 days unless the pitch starts to break. After all, that's what SA management thought, hence 2 spinners. Let's hope it doesn't backfire.
2182  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: August 25, 2022, 05:33:31 PM
This 50% rule is the main loophole in DRS or umpire call.
It's not a disadvantage to batters imo, it's just you are empowering the toothless bowlers. When the ball actually kisses the stumps, bails get dislodged it doesn't matter if it's 1%-10$ or so on. You don't say that it's just clipping or batters are in a disadvantage.
So why give benefit of the doubt to umpires and batters when it comes to LBW?
OK.. then maybe we can agree on that. But time is also important. As you mentioned, the bowlers are feeling toothless these days. I just hope that the players will not waste too much time in appealing and reviewing the decisions. From my perspective, the only disadvantage with DRS which I have observed till now is the wastage of time in reviewing the decisions. And in some cases, the players just review them, just for the sake of it. Finding the right balance between 100% accuracy and finishing the matches on time is very important.
Excessive and unnecessary appeals happen all the time and umpires do have complete control over it as they have the right to penalize players or captains, given they have been warned once.
Also when the captains do take review it doesn't take much time as they have only 15 secs to take a DRS call, problems come with the 3rd umpire cause sometimes in pressure moments they even take 2-3 mins.
This is a good video on umpire's call https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MfLv9hqYXM

as far as i am aware, those two or three minutes are not added to the bowling side of the game to penalize the players, it does not take too much time for any team to take the decision of the review because they only have 15 seconds in hand for that

it is also important to note that each team is only allowed two reviews per half, the process should not take too long, so that shouldn't take too much time
as a matter of fact, i think that the DRS system is very important and very well executed, but the umpire's call should not be in the system, if the ball is clipping the stumps it’s out no matter what
Yeah, reviews etc don't add up to the timeline for any team but it does take time and it's added to the overall 8 hours gameplan as test cricket still sticks to a clear 8 hours deadline, we hardly see any extended session unless there were rain, light or outfield problems.

In the test it's 3 reviews per inning for each team, there are no time restrictions for reviews. 2 reviews per innings is for limited overs cricket only.
2183  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: August 25, 2022, 01:26:30 PM
This 50% rule is the main loophole in DRS or umpire call.

It's not a disadvantage to batters imo, it's just you are empowering the toothless bowlers. When the ball actually kisses the stumps, bails get dislodged it doesn't matter if it's 1%-10$ or so on. You don't say that it's just clipping or batters are in a disadvantage.

So why give benefit of the doubt to umpires and batters when it comes to LBW?

OK.. then maybe we can agree on that. But time is also important. As you mentioned, the bowlers are feeling toothless these days. I just hope that the players will not waste too much time in appealing and reviewing the decisions. From my perspective, the only disadvantage with DRS which I have observed till now is the wastage of time in reviewing the decisions. And in some cases, the players just review them, just for the sake of it. Finding the right balance between 100% accuracy and finishing the matches on time is very important.
Excessive and unnecessary appeals happen all the time and umpires do have complete control over it as they have the right to penalize players or captains, given they have been warned once.

Also when the captains do take review it doesn't take much time as they have only 15 secs to take a DRS call, problems come with the 3rd umpire cause sometimes in pressure moments they even take 2-3 mins.

This is a good video on umpire's call https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7MfLv9hqYXM
2184  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: August 25, 2022, 11:36:38 AM
Poms are off to a good start in 2nd test.

Kinda surprising team selection from the Proteas. They left out Marco Jansen, in the last match he contributed with the bat and ball both. Instead, they selected another spinner in the playing XI. They must be thinking of some turn on 4th-5th day. Otherwise, there is no other explanation for having 2 spinners. 
2185  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: August 25, 2022, 05:43:25 AM
I've said a few times that the "Umpire Calls" rule should be scrapped, IMO if a ball is touching the stumps even for 10% or even clipping it (the current rule is for more than 50%) then it should be out but I guess ICC willingly leaving some scope for human error in umpiring despite tech is available there to use.

Yeah, a huge number of matches in the domestic circuit could create a financial burden but we can't deny the fact that it does help players immensely. I think they will use this according to grouping (relegation). Also, I'm in favor of using full fledge technical/technique analysis for players so that BCCI can identify and tackle their weaknesses at a domestic level, shouldn't cost more than $10-15 Million per season for satisfactory results. 

I don't think that if the ball is just clipping the stumps, the batsmen should be given out. It will put the batsmen in a disadvantage. I would go with the 50% rule. But then the loophole needs to go away. The umpire should not be given the leeway to decide whether the batsmen is out or not. That decision should be made by the DRS. And on the second topic, if it is just $10-15 million, then I am fine with it. And it is going to generate additional jobs as well. So there is no excuse for the BCCI to not to implement DRS in domestic circuit.
This 50% rule is the main loophole in DRS or umpire call.

It's not a disadvantage to batters imo, it's just you are empowering the toothless bowlers. When the ball actually kisses the stumps, bails get dislodged it doesn't matter if it's 1%-10$ or so on. You don't say that it's just clipping or batters are in a disadvantage.

So why give benefit of the doubt to umpires and batters when it comes to LBW?
2186  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: August 24, 2022, 02:42:00 PM
I still have the belief that King Kohli will be back in Asia Cup, he actually didn't hit rock bottom in T-20 or even ODI. It's just that his form in the test went down the drain and dominating all the narrative.

Just look at his recent T-20 numbers, he didn't play much in 2022.

2187  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: August 24, 2022, 12:42:23 PM
I guess you are indicating towards a pre-90s era when there was no concept of neutral umpiring in cricket but again back then every cricket playing nation had this problem.

In the early 90s neutral umpires started featuring in test cricket, also i don't remember any major instance where umpires were deliberately helping the Indian team.

But i do agree that BCCI do have a habit of being reluctant on adopting tech at the start or any new things, although it's changing nowadays, not fast enough but it's going forward as they recently announced the adoption of more technical stuff in Ranji like DRS etc

Well.. now neutrality of umpires doesn't matter much, because we have the option of DRS. But still, there is a need to eliminate the "umpire's call" loophole. The fact that BCCI don't want to use latest technology in domestic cricket may have something to do with financial reasons. Indian domestic cricket consists of 38 first class teams, and a huge number of matches are being played every year. Implementing technology such as DRS will require additional manpower, and extra funds. And I am sure that the BCCI guys may not be happy with this requirement.
I've said a few times that the "Umpire Calls" rule should be scrapped, IMO if a ball is touching the stumps even for 10% or even clipping it (the current rule is for more than 50%) then it should be out but I guess ICC willingly leaving some scope for human error in umpiring despite tech is available there to use.

Yeah, a huge number of matches in the domestic circuit could create a financial burden but we can't deny the fact that it does help players immensely. I think they will use this according to grouping (relegation). Also, I'm in favor of using full fledge technical/technique analysis for players so that BCCI can identify and tackle their weaknesses at a domestic level, shouldn't cost more than $10-15 Million per season for satisfactory results. 
2188  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: August 24, 2022, 09:22:31 AM
Lol that's a weird one, forgetting neutral umpire's ruling?

Also i do remember famous Bucknor and couple of others who loved to raise fingers at any given time when Indians were batting.

At start BCCI was under impression that it's a flowed tech and locally their players had no experience, it's more similar to their initial reluctance for Day-Night (pink ball) matches.

For every one Bucknor, we have 10-15 from the other side. I really don't know what was the issue with Bucknor. He used to hate the Indian players for whatever be the reason. Anyway, when all the other boards were fine with DRS, the BCCI was the only board which opposed it. Naturally that gives rise to suspicion. Whenever a new innovation was proposed in cricket, the BCCI came out against it. Remember their opposition to the T20 format two decades back? We were fortunate that back then they didn't had much power or dominance over the ICC.
I guess you are indicating towards a pre-90s era when there was no concept of neutral umpiring in cricket but again back then every cricket playing nation had this problem.

In the early 90s neutral umpires started featuring in test cricket, also i don't remember any major instance where umpires were deliberately helping the Indian team.

But i do agree that BCCI do have a habit of being reluctant on adopting tech at the start or any new things, although it's changing nowadays, not fast enough but it's going forward as they recently announced the adoption of more technical stuff in Ranji like DRS etc

2189  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: August 24, 2022, 12:20:18 AM
Zimbabwe is a very easy team for India if Zimbabwe could have kept their wickets played a little more carefully then Zimbabwe could have reached the target of victory India played well from the start its win was for India overall the game was enjoyable
Match was so tough to win for both teams at a certain time. If Zimbabwe played without losing wickets specially the wicket of Sikandar Raza, they had good chance to win over India. Brilliant performance from India at the end of that match and finally they managed to win perfectly.

Yea, these matches are getting awfully close. Zimbawe played really well.

Maybe it's home advantage? They definitely feel more comfortable than Indian players do. I really wanted to see an upset here Sad

I am guessing this was the end of the tour? Surprised that there aren't any T20 matches
Only last match comes into being "close" category, previous 2 matches were one-sided and looked dead to me even by checking just scoreboard. Yeah would've been great if there was some sort of upset in the last game, 1 bad over here n there and things could've been gone in favor of Zimbabwe.

Small teams need these kinds of win against big teams every now n then but it'll be only possible if they play regularly.
2190  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: August 24, 2022, 12:07:53 AM

Lol that's a weird one, forgetting neutral umpire's ruling?

Also i do remember famous Bucknor and couple of others who loved to raise fingers at any given time when Indians were batting.

At start BCCI was under impression that it's a flowed tech and locally their players had no experience, it's more similar to their initial reluctance for Day-Night (pink ball) matches.

i would say it was a mix of all, BCCI thought that this might be another trap for the Australians and the England cricket board, and i think it is understandable why they thought like that
in my memory, that was the time when India visited Australia for that infamous test series where the umpiring was absolutely horrible and some decisions were given against India which were not even close to being accurate at all
as well as that, the umpire was seen asking the Australian players if the batsman was out or not and the Australian players replied "yes" and the umpire also raised his finger to show his approval
Yeah, one of the disgraceful series in cricket history as far as umpiring and spirit of the game goes.

@Haunebu i don't think anyone remotely understand how this DLS system works. Brain cell starts to die everytime i try to understand it lol
2191  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 23, 2022, 04:39:23 PM
The James Webb telescope took some pics of Jupiter.






Also this, i mean i raise you.

https://twitter.com/NASAExoplanets/status/1561442514078314496
2192  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: August 23, 2022, 12:12:28 PM
Zimbabwe has a number of talented players in its squad. And they are consistently performing well. I would say Zimbabwe's main weakness is in its top order. Top orders or openers are not playing well. A win against a strong team is impossible if the top-order players cannot bat responsibly.

Zimbabwe will also need to strengthen their bowling line-up. They have to select the bowlers after checking the pitch condition. I don't know if Zimbabwe's coach is experienced. But right now Zimbabwe needs an experienced coach. Only then will Zimbabwe's overall performance improve somewhat.

If they retain their players, then this issue will not be there. Imagine a playing XI with Brendan Taylor in top order, Sikandar Raza, Sean Williams and Craig Ervine in the middle order and Muzarabani and Kyle Jarvis as bowlers. But players such as Taylor and Jarvis were forced to retire due to their differences with the cricket board. I am not sure what is the issue exactly. But the board receives around $12 million every year from the ICC and giving these players decent contracts won't put that much of a burden on the funds.
Not forced but Banned for some drugs and bookie controversy in Mumbai. Brendan Taylor was excellent bat tho bt that's a full stop to his international career as he's already 35-ish.

Sikandar Raza is earning praise nowadays and rightly so, not sure if he's into franchise cricket but he should attract some new contract soon. This would help his game and Zimbabwe cricket as well. 
2193  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: August 23, 2022, 11:04:43 AM
But what's the alternative? There isn't any other solution proposed by any board to replace this non sense DLS. Apart from DLS there are eyebrows on DRS also. Many times board are caught of manipulating the system to have results of there own.

One of the reasons why the BCCI opposed DRS for so long. Previously the Indian team used to get the benefit from umpires, when the matches are being played in India. But with the DRS getting implemented, this advantage evaporated. Still there is a loophole called "umpire's call" which can be manipulated by the home team. I am fully in favor of DRS, but we need to remove this loophole. Otherwise the DRS has done a lot of good things to cricket. Detection of no-ball and reversal of inaccurate decisions help in a big way.
Lol that's a weird one, forgetting neutral umpire's ruling?

Also i do remember famous Bucknor and couple of others who loved to raise fingers at any given time when Indians were batting.

At start BCCI was under impression that it's a flowed tech and locally their players had no experience, it's more similar to their initial reluctance for Day-Night (pink ball) matches.
2194  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: August 23, 2022, 07:30:30 AM
Good article on recent failure of English batting line up.
https://wickets.substack.com/p/was-this-the-bazballbust




There is no doubt that the performance of English players has decreased. Not only in terms of bowling performance but also in terms of batting performance. In addition to the batting, the English players have also not performed well on the field. It is really difficult for me to figure out what is causing the problem. There is no doubt that the England players are taking the necessary steps and basically doing everything they can to improve their game.

Despite that, the performance does not seem to indicate that this is the case. The solo performances of certain players helped England to win some test matches because of their individual performances. In addition, when we are talking about England, we expect a really good performance from them, but the recent performance of England has not met the standards that they have already set for themselves.
Well that wasn't the overall point of the article or my post, article was more focused on the reasoning behind the changes in their mindset (Stokes and McCullum) and the other technical but important factors which helped them, like Pre 4 win era and after recent bubble bust.

Not saying that you are wrong.
2195  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 23, 2022, 06:38:52 AM

Are you talking about Ben Franklin, Willis?



You better snap the fuck back into it, JSRAW...!!!!!   Angry Angry Angry Angry




Have you lost your way?   You still know about dee way of dee cornz no?  Have you been shitcoining?



Yes talking about $100 bill

And no, hit the puberty up way back in 2018
2196  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 22, 2022, 05:01:39 PM
what you guys think of BIP300 and BIP301 ?

https://www.drivechain.info/

depends.. will they make us rich?
I'm interested in anything that can make me rich lol, this question is very important. Cheesy

Spoken like a true shitcoiner.

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You have to admire honesty tho.. no one that honest irl

Even Franklin's fans here in this thread  Tongue
2197  Economy / Speculation / Re: Wall Observer BTC/USD - Bitcoin price movement tracking & discussion on: August 22, 2022, 04:37:37 PM
I used to Love C-rats, could eat them all day no prob.
Don't know the context bhai but i just ate, actually both of em mistakenly (kinda, was hungry af) and damn it was tasty af, i didn't even touched other dishes at all. #SEA
2198  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: August 22, 2022, 01:30:13 PM
Good article on recent failure of English batting line up.
https://wickets.substack.com/p/was-this-the-bazballbust

Tldr
4 Win data before their loss against SA

-4th-5th days Flat wickets
-Bad batch of Duke balls during covid
-4 inning chase
-Injured kiwi team -bowlers-
-Flat-off day for Indian 3rd seamer (siraj) and below average Thakur.
-Bazball

Now against SA

-They lost the Toss and had to bat first.
-SA had a 4 frontline fresh seamers throughout the match
-New batch of balls

Just see the difference
2199  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: August 22, 2022, 11:30:45 AM
As expected K L Rahul opened with Shikhar Dhawan in today's match. He was only able to score 30 runs from 46 balls. He seems to struggle to bat whenever he is given the position of the  captain. Shubham Gills incredible form continues. He might score his first century today. India might also leave a target of more than 300 runs for Zimbabwe in today's final match.
I don't know why Dhawan-KL featured in playing XI at first place? They could have given new guys Rahul Tripathi and Ruturaj Gaikwad their maiden cap in ODI and try openers bench strength.

Dhawan i can understand as he only play 1 format and still rock solid in ODI but why KL Rahul, only possible explanation would be that he's feeling insecure and wanted match practice after his injury.

The way Indians were batting, 330 wasn't looking impossible. Quick wickets changed the dynamics.

Gill is turning out to be excellent prospect for top 3 slots, very happy for him. I feel like ODI could become his fav format.
2200  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: August 21, 2022, 03:26:07 PM
Nothing went wrong! The English side became complacent and with such a humiliating loss they will now work on every aspect to win the next two test matches. This is what I am assuming and understanding. England's past performance as a test side after the change of captain and management on their home ground was extremely good. This loss only portrays how much they underestimated the South African side.

I would also like to state that the South African bowlers were like a powerhouse and every single of them showed discipline and the urge to deliver as a team. England lacked that and therefore they faced such a humiliating loss.
Before the match both the teams were doing lot of trash talk related to bazball , although it was fueled by English media but both skipper were also exchanging words via media. The brand of cricket English skipper and coach are endorsing sometimes they are bound to fail, attacking cricket looks good when it clicks but it also produce such humiliating results.

This proteas bowling line up is looking good and even backup is also good for pace bowling so they do have bright future and might be only strong candidate for the WTC finals.

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