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2261  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: August 14, 2022, 07:34:40 AM
^^ If there was any sprinting contest for hypocrisy then Indian subcontinent will top the chart every single time.

Government do have policy of complete ban on any kind of betting, which is okay but at the same time there is virtually no restriction on club-hotel casinos. Rich peoples are allowed to do everything but when it comes to others then it becomes haram. Exactly same thing happens in India.
2262  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: August 13, 2022, 04:58:13 PM
Recently BCCI has changed a few things. They are willing to take more risks to get the maximum benefit out of everything. They know very well that it is going to be a big risk to arrange WIPL at this moment. But they have realized that if they don’t do something like this, Indian women’s cricket is probably not on track to improve as fast as they want. So they are willing to take the risk.

In addition, I believe that the Indian women cricketers will improve rapidly in the near future. Obviously, there will be more and more women cricketers coming forward from India. This will also help the whole region. The scene of women’s cricket in the whole region is going to improve.
They are earning shitload amount of money now so they can afford to take risk, if by any chance they take these steps back then everybody should shit on them for real. They deserve no respect whatsoever.

Incredible news! BCCI seems to getting their act together and came to their senses as far as Women cricket goes.

WIPL looks reality now as it's getting dedicated window of March from next year.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/womens-ipl-bcci-earmarks-march-2023-window-for-inaugural-edition-1328890
I guess this happened so fast because of the recent incredible performance of Indian women team in CWG 2022. Otherwise they would have tried to delay the WIPL. Another factor would have been the increase in TV and online viewership of the games played by Indian team. In all it is a very good news for women cricket in india and especially the young girls who are struggling to get selected in the women A team.
In terms of peak popularity in Indian women cricket, highest point was 2017 wc when our girls entered into finals out of nowhere. BCCI missed the trick of launching WIPL that year due to their shitty behavior, even likes of Ganguly made some silly comments about it.

Having said that i'm happy that it's about to become reality, fingers cross everything goes well and there are no delay this time.
2263  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: August 13, 2022, 01:29:36 PM

I doubt if both parties care about that anymore, they just want to score some brownies point.

Also at one time he was earning shitload amount of money from the IPL and doing so he was neglecting test cricket especially when they were touring away, may be this also added annomisty between both parties.

Some one pointed out "being role model" argument here. Shakib clearly not making his case strong by keep getting in controversies. 
He is one of the best product from Bangladesh in sports, but sadly he has never been ideal for youths or his other teammates due to behavior and on and off the field controversies with these all calling him "Role Model" is never been good because he needs to be more polite and responsible but never done anything good which give some positive view about him most of the time he wants to be on main media stream and for this doing things wrong or right no problem for him even just because of him BCB and teammates faces humiliations as well, but he never cares about this all.

His record as player and captain is not bad at all but still he doesn't deserve with this tag he is role model celebrity from Bangladesh.
Virtually no doubt about it, he will be remembered as all time great spin all rounder imo and here in India he has earned a lot of respect due to his all round performances.

But after facing ban he went off road as far as his behavior goes, i remember one hilarious instance where he was cribbing about everything through his wife SM accounts lol
2264  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: August 13, 2022, 09:06:52 AM
~snip~
In general English pitch are more suitable for pacers. I doubt whether South African spinners will be that effective on those pitch. South African have a good batting depth but they lag it in bowling. On the other hand England has both as proven in previous test match played by them in their homeground earlier this year.
I would also point out the recent trajectory of pitches and ball in last 4 tests in England. 

Pitches are becoming an absolute road after 2 days of play and less we talk about the balls the better (hope new batch of balls get better). If these 2 factors remains the same then i think chasing won't be that tough in last inning for both teams.
2265  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: August 13, 2022, 06:18:06 AM
I am afraid that there will be an oversaturation of franchise cricket very soon. Duirng the early days, it was just the IPL, BBL, PSL, CPL, T20 Blast and the smaller BPL from Bangladesh. But now there are additional leagues from Sri Lanka, South Africa, UAE and a number of other countries. New leagues doesn't mean new viewers. The number of fans will remain the same. The new leagues may however poach viewers from other established leagues. And given the huge amount of money being splurged by new leagues such as ILT20 and CSA T20 League, it is very much possible. 
Especially IPL backed ILT20 is spending money like water. If i'm not wrong then they are offering like $500k to many players for just 20 days of work, not sure about tournament length tho. It's very impressive amount considering many players don't earn this kind of money from their yearly contract.   
2266  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: August 13, 2022, 04:59:41 AM
Incredible news! BCCI seems to getting their act together and came to their senses as far as Women cricket goes.

WIPL looks reality now as it's getting dedicated window of March from next year.

https://www.espncricinfo.com/story/womens-ipl-bcci-earmarks-march-2023-window-for-inaugural-edition-1328890
2267  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: August 13, 2022, 04:17:34 AM
Shakib and management both are in fault here, specially the director.

IDK the exact reason how it started but every party act like a child every time. Shakib do have some disciplinary issue and on the other hand it seems that director just doesn't like him.

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Management won, Shakib dropped the sponsorship deal with the betting company.

Irrespective of who started it, in the end it was Shakib and Bangladesh cricket who suffered. And I don't think that the director faced any fallout from all these confrontations. I have heard comments about Shakib's attitude. During the Dhaka T20 league, he had an altercation with the umpires. Before that, there were similar incidents during some of the domestic matches. But that doesn't provide excuse to BCB for mistreating such a good player. Because of their adamant nature, their own cricket team got impacted.
I doubt if both parties care about that anymore, they just want to score some brownies point.

Also at one time he was earning shitload amount of money from the IPL and doing so he was neglecting test cricket especially when they were touring away, may be this also added annomisty between both parties.

Some one pointed out "being role model" argument here. Shakib clearly not making his case strong by keep getting in controversies. 

I am not sure why in the first instance Shakib went for such an advertisement campaign.
Sponsorship
2268  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: August 12, 2022, 08:12:40 PM
For future, they need to do some significant changes which can bring good changes and surely good profit for them as well having a calendar for all franchise cricket and giving some good time to bilateral cricket is also important because this is beauty of cricket and franchise is future of cricket.
The ICC and the other boards don't really care about preserving the traditional formats. They care about money more than ever thanks to the economic turmoil around the world currently.

Many players are retiring early from tests and ODIs too in order to focus on the T-20 format which makes sense if you think about it.
Don't make any mistake of mixing White ball bilateral and Test bilateral all together as traditional format. This is reserved for Test bilateral only and the former is useless in modern setting.

At the same time majority of the boards are in no position to sustain test format as it's loss making affair for most of them but considering romanticization towards test cricket, if you give them a choice then everyone would opt for test cricket.

Early retirement is new reality. Recent wave of retirement started with De kock when he retired from Tests. In current environment where schedule is so tight, players can't play all 3 formats so leaving 1-2 format is right call depending on their choice.
2269  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: August 12, 2022, 06:46:55 AM
Did anyone noticed that South Africa is currently at the top of the ICC World Test Championship 2021-2023 points table? That may change after the test series between England and South Africa, which is about to start next week. At least on paper, England is stronger. And given the poor form of South African pacers (Nortje, Rabada.etc), I don't think that they will be able to win any of the matches. Their batsmen are in good form though.

Yeah but expect them to go down soon as they have tough away series lined up with 2 inform England and Australia outfits, unless they perform ridiculously well like they already do in Australia most of the time but here against Poms my money is on poms due to their recent success.

Having said that Dean Elgar is one of the decorated opener in the modern cricket and some new guys are also chipping for the proteas here n there so it should be a good contest.
2270  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: August 12, 2022, 06:13:18 AM
Lol BCB is famous for dehumanising their cricket great. Shakib is one of their all time great and considered GOAT but look how they treat him from time to time.

Nowadays new controversy came into light only due to arrogance of management. Shakib signed some deal with Betting platform, betting is banned there. Instead of talking and convincing him they threatened him of canceling his contract from the national team.

Players such as Mashrafe never faced this issue. What is the real reason for all this bad blood between the BCB and Shakib al Hasan? I still remember the BCB handing him a one year ban, just because there was a delay from his part in reporting the approach by a bookie during IPL (he was playing for Sunrisers Hyderabad at that time). He could have been let off with a warning, because he never indulged in any sort of match fixing. But the BCB handed him a one year ban, and he couldn't play international cricket during this period.
Shakib and management both are in fault here, specially the director.

IDK the exact reason how it started but every party act like a child every time. Shakib do have some disciplinary issue and on the other hand it seems that director just doesn't like him.

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Management won, Shakib dropped the sponsorship deal with the betting company.
2271  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: August 12, 2022, 03:57:43 AM
~snip~
Arey yaar why are you wasting your breathe on convincing anyone on well known facts, which is well documented in recent times. We all have been there from time to time here in this thread and it's completely useless imo.

So please don't entertain any response in such topic continuously as it will derailed the cricketing thread, just ignore it.
2272  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: August 12, 2022, 03:40:30 AM
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Bangladesh Cricket Board is richer than New Zealand, West Indies and even South Africa cricket board. Even so, their performance is much weaker than these three teams. Even now they are losing badly against teams like Zimbabwe. Despite having a lot of money, the board is not taking any effective steps for the development of cricket or the development of the players. Even after the players enjoy huge salaries and perks, they cannot perform as expected
Bangladesh is developing as a cricketing nation and money alone does not produce exceptional talents  Tongue. They have their Bangladesh Cricket League and hopefully they will be finding players of quality like Shakib Al Hasan, but it is a long process of grooming young talents.

Lol BCB is famous for dehumanising their cricket great. Shakib is one of their all time great and considered GOAT but look how they treat him from time to time.

Nowadays new controversy came into light only due to arrogance of management. Shakib signed some deal with Betting platform, betting is banned there. Instead of talking and convincing him they threatened him of canceling his contract from the national team.
2273  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: August 11, 2022, 02:57:21 PM
Yeah i posted this news back then when the news of media tenders came out in public domain.

The real reason is ICC got way too much excited when they noticed BCCI fetched billions of bucks for IPL without any fuss from the broadcasters and they literally followed the same pattern like online and tv rights but the main kicker was every bid was behind the closed door with zero transparency, at the same time broadcasters tasted the blood of transparent procedure in last ipl auction so almost every broadcaster revolted against ICC, rightly so.

IPL is different from ICC tournaments. In the ICC tournaments, there will be only a few matches involving India and therefore the overall TRP will be lower than that in the IPL. On top of that, there is always a chance of something like what happened in 2007 repeating. India and Pakistan got out in the preliminary phase and that resulted in huge losses to the broadcasters. And also, given the declining popularity of the ODI format, I am not sure whether the ODI World Cup will remain as one of the premier tournaments in the long term.
Different yes but

ICC media rights are for 4 and 8 years package and every year 1 ICC tournament that's 8 ICC tournaments (not counting WTC finals). In previous cycle Gap between ICC and IPL revenue was more than 2x in favor of IPL.

This time IPL surpassed last auction significantly so ICC also aspire to increase their purse from the country which produce 70% of their revenue. Yes there is always some sort of possibility of repeating 2007 scenario but that's just shot in the dark most of the time when these tender comes up.
2274  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: August 11, 2022, 06:19:47 AM
Many of the players already do exactly this. We all know populated States like UP has only 1 team, where will young players will go and build up their career? Not everyone is equipped to go abroad and play for another country like Unmukt chand etc so the best these young players can do is to migrate other states.

Yes, current state board system has it flaws but two wrongs don't make one right.

First and foremost, a first-class domestic system can never be effective if there are a total of 38 teams. 38 teams means around 500 first class players and the standard get automatically diluted as a result. Even in England, they have only 18 first class teams, although these county sides have been playing for hundreds of years. For me, my argument will be exactly the opposite. Rather then good players opting to play for smaller states, the system is encouraging below average players to leach off the BCCI funds. 
I agree with overall sentiment behind your comment

But at the same time the kind of results India produced in last 5-6 years,especially in Tests (despite choking in WC). One could argue that first class system (Ranji) just doing fine. There is a reason India has won Test Mace 5 times in a row in last 6-7 years, they were only dethroned when they lost to kiwis in WTC final.
2275  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: August 11, 2022, 06:09:18 AM
ICC generate enough fund to sustain limited over cricket especially T-20 cricket but everyone romanticize with the test cricket and in doing so they get destroyed every single time. ICC do understand these economics but reluctant to take any concrete steps due to "Test Lobby". If they restrict Test format to only 10 nations max and no fake promises or rhetoric of being test nation, it could potentially do wonder for international cricket. Every associate member will start focusing on T-20 completely and the way franchise cricket is taking all the space, they don't even need to play any bilateral cricket, simply play in leagues and ICC tournaments.

@Sithara007 ICC hardly earn any money from bilateral cricket.

BTW any information on the ICC media rights auction? It was supposed to happen sometime soon. The last time I heard (in July), the broadcasters were unhappy over the lack of transparency in bidding:

https://www.insidesport.in/icc-media-rights-auction-icc-in-fix-as-top-broadcasters-upset-over-lack-of-transparency-in-tendering-process-follow-live-updates/

I am not surprised, given the level of corruption and nepotism that is prevalent among the ICC officials. Indian broadcasters have threatened to pull out from the auction unless their concerns are addressed. The bids need to be submitted by August 22nd BTW. Bids will be opened on 26th August, and after that the ICC officials will "negotiate" individually with each of the broadcasters. The main issue as far as I know, is the "sealed envelope bidding" process instead of e-auction (similar to what they had in IPL).
Yeah i posted this news back then when the news of media tenders came out in public domain.

The real reason is ICC got way too much excited when they noticed BCCI fetched billions of bucks for IPL without any fuss from the broadcasters and they literally followed the same pattern like online and tv rights but the main kicker was every bid was behind the closed door with zero transparency, at the same time broadcasters tasted the blood of transparent procedure in last ipl auction so almost every broadcaster revolted against ICC, rightly so.
2276  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: August 10, 2022, 04:07:36 PM
The new UAE T20 cricket league has contacted a few Pakistani cricketers to be part of the franchise. But, PCB is not willing to let their cricketers and those playing in PSL to be a part of this proffesional league. I found this article. I am not certain if this source is correct. As per my understanding PCB, what I think is giving excuses. Why PCB is not granting an NOC? This might create a situation similar to WICB faced in the past. Do you guys think so? I might be wrong! So excuse me, if I am wrong.

It's possible but may be wait for couple of more weeks for more clarity as things are moving very quickly. Having said that i would say every cricket board have right to safeguard their interest so we can't blame anyone. One thing is for sure, this space is going to be very interesting and fun to watch.

Meanwhile IPL franchise mainly Mumbai Indians and CSK has announced name of their new foreign franchise.

MI Cape Town
MI Emirates
Joburg Super Kings

2277  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: August 10, 2022, 12:19:17 PM

In that case we should restrict international cricket to the pig-4 nations only. Because whenever they play against a team such as Sri Lanka or Bangladesh, it results in a lop-sided match. Funding is the main reason why the ICC doesn't want associate nations participate in the main tournaments. For example, Zimbabwe cricket board receives around $12 million per year from the ICC, and more from TV deals because pig-4 teams do play regularly against them. Associate nations receive far less. Nepal for example receives around $200,000 per year and this means that they can't offer contracts to their players. So obviously they won't be able to perform when they play in ICC tournaments.
In last few years ICC completely fail to maintain good control on finances, and they are also failed to give proper funds to associate countries because even they have enough funds, and they can do some good for this game and development in these few associate countries specially which are doing with their native players because they deserve some better treatment from them for their infrastructure and other developments.

I am very much sure that ICC can manage this all with their sources they are not doing any good thing which is surely hurting as cricketing fan because this game surely deserve much better than which is currently happening around with just for better and secure future of these B-4 instead of all countries those are involved and can bring better quality and entertainment.
ICC generate enough fund to sustain limited over cricket especially T-20 cricket but everyone romanticize with the test cricket and in doing so they get destroyed every single time. ICC do understand these economics but reluctant to take any concrete steps due to "Test Lobby". If they restrict Test format to only 10 nations max and no fake promises or rhetoric of being test nation, it could potentially do wonder for international cricket. Every associate member will start focusing on T-20 completely and the way franchise cricket is taking all the space, they don't even need to play any bilateral cricket, simply play in leagues and ICC tournaments.

@Sithara007 ICC hardly earn any money from bilateral cricket.
2278  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: August 10, 2022, 08:42:33 AM
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Already implemented from this season but changes will come after the final result ofc.

I won't use word "mercenaries" as i don't mind players relocating due to lack of opportunities in their home states.

I am not comfortable with teams such as Puducherry and Chandigarh playing in the elite group, solely due to players sourced from other states. If any of the players feel that they are not getting enough opportunities, then let them play for lower ranking teams such as Goa or Tripura. What is the point in having separate teams for these small UTs? In that case, even Andaman, Ladakh and Lakshadweep needs to have its own team. In case of Delhi, I don't have a problem because it is always considered as a separate state. But Chandigarh for example, is definitely not a state.
Many of the players already do exactly this. We all know populated States like UP has only 1 team, where will young players will go and build up their career? Not everyone is equipped to go abroad and play for another country like Unmukt chand etc so the best these young players can do is to migrate other states.

Yes, current state board system has it flaws but two wrongs don't make one right.
2279  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: August 10, 2022, 06:58:58 AM
IMO lack of Ind vs pak bilateral series is the best thing happened to PCB. Yes they are deprived of making huge amount of money but at the same time this single move made them self reliant and they are the only cricket board, which doesn't depend solely on BCCI for series. That's a commendable achievement, i also believe that they have shown the roadmap to other smaller nation about how to survive if they are not receiving any favor from BCCI.

That Indian cricket board knew that if they do not play with Pakistan and can show the problem of terrorism to be the main cause of it, the Pakistan cricket world is going to suffer a lot. And that did happen. The Pakistan cricket board and Pakistan cricket as a whole suffered a lot because the other cricket boards also began to be a lot concerned and did not want to play with Pakistan especially when Pakistan wanted to be the hosting team. But now Pakistan is trying to overcome that. And now they are trying to be independent which I think they are going to be successful in doing.
BCCI didn't showed anything. It was on live tv for everybody to see when Sri Lankan team got attacked. Pakistan cricket did suffered immensely but terror attack on cricketers wasn't yahodi or hindu sajis (figure of speech). And after that we can't blame other cricketing nations to not send their teams.

As of now Rambo is doing good for Pakistan cricket and i hope he keep going like this in coming years.
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Btw that wasn't my overall point. My main point was to highlight that other smaller cricket boards can learn thing or 2 from the PCB specially new management.

Elite Group: 32 teams will be divided into 4 groups

Plate Group : Same as last year i suppose, mainly northeast ( 6 teams)

- This time they will move bottom 2 teams from Elite group to Plate group and similarly Top 2 teams from Plate group will replace the Bottom Elite teams in next season.
- Also there will be 2 Ranji winners for each group and no Elite vs Plate fixtures.

OK.. so the promotion/relegation system was not implemented for this season. Another thing the BCCI should take in to account is the trend where some of the smaller states and union territories (Puducherry, Chandigarh.etc) field teams where 90% of the players are mercenaries (i.e originally from other states). This has enabled them to progress to the Elite group, at the expense of the teams that field native players (such as Manipur and Mizoram). There should be a limit on the number of players from other states who can represent these teams. 
Already implemented from this season but changes will come after the final result ofc.

I won't use word "mercenaries" as i don't mind players relocating due to lack of opportunities in their home states.
2280  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: August 09, 2022, 04:20:21 PM
BTW BCCI kinda introduced relegation system in Ranji. I didn't looked at it yet but this does sound interesting. Guess in near future we won't have many mismatch fixtures in domestic.  

I thought that they already had a promotion-relegation system in Ranji Trophy. For the last season, there was a Plate Group which was consisted of 6 teams (Arunachal Pradesh, Bihar, Manipur, Mizoram, Nagaland and Sikkim). 4 teams that were earlier part of the Plate Group in previous season were placed in the main group for 2021 (Goa, Puducherry, Chandigarh and Meghalaya). Now I don't have any idea about how they are going to place the teams for this season. Nagaland finished on top of Plate Group last season, so most probably they will be placed in the main group this time.
Elite Group: 32 teams will be divided into 4 groups

Plate Group : Same as last year i suppose, mainly northeast ( 6 teams)

- This time they will move bottom 2 teams from Elite group to Plate group and similarly Top 2 teams from Plate group will replace the Bottom Elite teams in next season.
- Also there will be 2 Ranji winners for each group and no Elite vs Plate fixtures.
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