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1581  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: February 04, 2023, 01:14:19 PM
BCCI recently said No (for the 100th time). This answer is not going to change, no matter how hard Sethi Saab or PCB try.

They won't risk the player's life for cricket despite getting presidential-level security and rightly so, as life is more important than sports. Even Police forces are not secure there atm, the recent Peshawar blast is an example.

1582  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: February 04, 2023, 12:55:25 PM
UPDATE - KL Rahul ruled out of BGT as he is planning a movie or might be busy with his new wife Grin
Not sure if it's true as i didn't notice any news but if it's true then it's advantageous to India. This depressing dude is out of form and became a walking wicket.

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In the meantime, Australians are in a gun-blazing mode. A lot of media coverage and mind games are being done. Found out that they have hired Mahesh Pithiya who does not looks like Ashwin but has an action similar to him. I have never seen them so serious about the Ashes as they are for BGT. In the meantime, ICT is busy chilling and is least bothered with anything related to BGT.
Chadwin Anna living in their brain rent free.

They take him very seriously and rightly so. They were trying similar things last time as well but Jaddu-Kuldeep-Umesh came out of the syllabus.
1583  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: February 04, 2023, 10:57:58 AM
Seeing Zimbabwe playing a test match after a long time. The first test between Zimbabwe and West Indies is in progress at Bulawayo. West Indies have a slow start as they have made 54 runs in 27 overs (going with just 2 runs per over).
Tagenarine Chanderpaul son of legend S Chanderpaul is opening from West Indies side. He has played 2 test matches and we have yet to see century from him. It's a good chance for him to score century.
Is this part of the World Test Championship? Can't find anything regarding this.

Anyway good to know Zimbawae is getting some game time in the red ball. Chaderpaul Junior is a good bat, he scored a fair amount of runs on his last Australian tour and impressed many.
1584  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: February 04, 2023, 09:22:22 AM
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The main issue with the bid from ICC is that they don't have any qualifying tournament. They want teams to be selected on the basis of ICC ranking, which is biased towards the full members. IOC wants a fair pathway for all the competing nations and they will definitely shoot down this obscene proposal from the ICC. And perhaps this is exactly what the ICC want.
Even now the schedule is full and every player is complaining that they are not getting enough rest and in that instance how can the ICC allocate a qualifying tournament for the ICC. The solution should be, there should be a qualification round like the Test Championships and the team should be ranked and picked for the Olympics according to that ranking rather than conducting a separate tournament.

The sole reason FIFA has implemented rules to participate in the Olympics is because they do not want the Olympics to be bigger than the World Cup and ICC should follow that guideline.

To be very honest, i would not blame ICC if the players are not getting enough rest. Basically there are so many leagues these days and they give good money to the players so every cricketer wants to be part of each and every one of them.

Since they also have to play for their own country, this will make their schedule more busy. I would blame cricketers for being remain busy in playing for most part of the year and not getting the appropriate rest. Greediness of earning money is something to be blamed for and not the ICC alone is responsible for it.
It comes after 4 years and it's less than a 3-week event at best so technically there shouldn't be any complaint about a busy schedule.

Having said that there is no doubt that ICC's fantasy of organizing ICC events every year + Money making T-20 leagues all around the world (mainly IPL) + Bilaterals + 3 formats do create a jam-packed schedule but at the same time only PIG-3 play ridiculously amount of cricket every year.

Just for starters, I wonder if it's possible that all stakeholders can allow u-19 or u-21 teams to participate in the Olympics instead of senior teams. This will solve the schedule issue and more teams can participate.
1585  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: February 03, 2023, 02:23:06 PM
Ashwin is included in the squad this time, although I am not sure whether he will play or not. I have noticed somethign interesting. Touring spinners do have a good track record at Nagpur. but the problem for Australia is that they don't have any quality spin bowlers.
Ashwin's spot in the playing XI is in danger? Why would you think that?

He has 5 test tons and 449 wickets under his belt and singlehandedly won countless matches for India and its home series. Jaddu-Ashwin-Axar trio should be the first pick for the selectors and you could also throw kuldeep in the mix if by any chance Axar or Jaddu is out of form.

OK.. my bad. For now, let's assume that Ashwin will lead the spin attack for India, along with Jadeja and Axar. Jadeja has been out of action for sometime, but he performed well recently in one of the Ranji trophy matches. Regarding Kuldeep Yadav, he has a terrific test record (bowling average of 21.55) but unfortunately he is not going to be the first pick for the selectors. And most of his wickets have come against weak teams such as Bangladesh. On the other hand, Australia are going to struggle with their spin options. Nathan Lyon is the only experienced spin bowler in their squad.
Kuldeep is a fine leg spinner and has taken a fair amount of Aussie wickets in red-ball cricket including 5fer. Taking a bag of Bong's wickets is just a recent thing.

If we look only from a bowling perspective then he should play ahead of Axar (it doesn't mean he's better or worse than Axar). It's just Axar and Jadeja are both left-hand off spinners and Kuldeep can provide more variety in your bowling attack.

Having said that, Pant and Iyer are not available in the middle order so Axar's batting at 9 can be very handy as he's a superior batter in comparison to Kuldeep, latter is okay too but the former can play attacking cricket as well. 

Aussie hired a lot of local Indian spinners for net practice, which include a carbon copy of Ashwin in terms of bowling action and variation, their batters look really serious.
1586  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: February 03, 2023, 01:41:11 PM
The under 19 team (both men &women) have performed exceptionally well in ICC tournaments. They have each won the T20WC against big countries which proves India has a good talent base. I do not know what happened to these players when they join the senior team, they start losing the same ICC tournaments. I guess the fame & money takes over the innocense and the zeal to perform. Last time India won the T20WC was in 2007.
Fear of failure I suppose.

They perform throughout the year and in group matches when it comes to ICC tournaments but in knock-out matches, they always go into depression mode, sometimes due to injuries or sometimes pressure and if we count inaugural WTC then blunders in selection.
1587  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: February 02, 2023, 07:00:46 PM
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T-20 is a new phenomenon and unofficially the funding setup has a history of decades. T-20 ranking is volatile and it could change in a span of just 200 overs or 5 matches so it hardly matters. Cricket as a sport will die if you distribute funding based on T-20, primarily because of franchise cricket.

T20I is the only ICC ranking system where the associate nations are included. Match between associate nations are awarded T20I status and therefore considered for ranking. On the other hand, only matches with full members are considered for ODI and Test ranking. So how can the funding be decided based on ODI/Test ranking, when only 10-12 countries are effectively included there? I understand that the T20I team rankings can be quite volatile. The solution here is to take the average of ranking over a 4-year period, rather than look at the rank on a particular cutoff date.
Sure associate nations,  many of them find it hard to field even competitive teams unless there are subcontinent players or have some sort of experience in counties.

Can bet my BTC stash that the current system is not going to change in our lifetime and it's for good, sure franchise cricket will create its own ecosystem but only the strong will survive.
1588  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: February 02, 2023, 02:39:19 PM
Ashwin is included in the squad this time, although I am not sure whether he will play or not. I have noticed somethign interesting. Touring spinners do have a good track record at Nagpur. but the problem for Australia is that they don't have any quality spin bowlers.
Ashwin's spot in the playing XI is in danger? Why would you think that?

He has 5 test tons and 449 wickets under his belt and singlehandedly won countless matches for India and its home series. Jaddu-Ashwin-Axar trio should be the first pick for the selectors and you could also throw kuldeep in the mix if by any chance Axar or Jaddu is out of form.
1589  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: February 02, 2023, 11:32:24 AM
Regarding BGT.. Iyer is out from the 1st test due to a back injury, he's still in NCA. We are running out of in form middle-order batters, first Pant and now Iyer, arguably the best players of spin in modern cricket. Guess squad needs some changes now.

If Iyer is unable to play, then someone else will get the chance. Ranji Trophy championship is over-saturated with quality batsmen. But the selectors give little importance to those who perform there. We always hear analysts complaining about not selecting Sarfaraz Khan to the national team, but no one actually care about players such as Abhimanyu Easwaran and Mayank Agarwal. There is enough depth in the player pool within India. But the selectors need to stop taking instructions from the senior players, regarding team selection and do their job without any bias.
In absence of Iyer, Shubman Gill is likely to bat in the middle order as he scored a ton in Bangladesh.

I guess the problem is who should be dropped from the team if some new guy comes in. Atm there are 2 nonperforming players at the Top 6 (KL Rahul and Virat), apart from them every one is scoring runs and management can't drop these 2 guys as the former is VC and the latter is undroppable.

I think Sarfraz should replace SKY in the squad but it's unfortunate that management backing SKY only because of his T-20 form.

Easwaran and Agarwal are both openers and we already have 3 openers in the team, 2 of them (Gill, Rohit) are in good form. I really like Agarwal but he's having a bad time with his form.
1590  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: February 01, 2023, 05:08:03 PM
India are obliterating NZ at the moment. For a second, I actually thought that this was a T-10 or something. Gill along with Pandya, Sky and Tripathi set India with a monster total while Singh and Pandya are eliminating the NZ batsmen like dominoes.

This match is over people. India whacked NZ out of the series and into space in the 3rd match.
I think it's pretty evident now that Gill is the next big thing for India in cricket, we have got the number 1 choice of opener with Rohit Sharma, probably Ishan Kishan can fill the position once Rohit retires. I am just hoping gill performs similarly in test cricket as well because if he does one can say he is the next Indian prodigy. But I will be much more confident about him once he scores with similar potential on foreign pitches as well. Also this clearly shows that how he can change gears while he is batting.
Kishan won't get many chances in the national team due to his performances and rightly so.

The jury is still out on Gill as far as T-20 is concerned (he already proved himself in other formats), he played beautifully today but it's pretty rare if we look at his T-20 (including IPL) PP's record, he's one of the worst openers in Indian T-20 history, along with KL Rahul.
1591  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: February 01, 2023, 10:38:58 AM
I was hinting toward ICC vs BCCI on the tax exemption dispute.

Recent reports suggest that for the upcoming ODI world cup, BCCI could lose close to 100 million dollars in taxes and last time they paid around 25 Million USD.

Ideally any funds received by the BCCI from ICC should be tax-free. Because most of the funds end up as salary for the players (both international and domestic) and these players are paying income tax of up to 43% for this amount. Now if the government taxes the amount at source, then it will amount to double taxation. As far as I know, none of the other countries tax funds from ICC. And in almost all the cases, revenues collected from ICC tournaments are tax-free as well. India is the only country that refuses to provide tax exemption. But in this case, the ICC can't do anything. They can't reimburse the taxes, as it will be unfair to the smaller boards.
If India was a rich country then it would be ideal to argue in favor of not taxing them but that's not the case. Australia and England can afford to give them free hand, rest of the cricketing world hardly matters in terms of revenue generation and given ICC's 80% of revenue comes from India only then it becomes a talking point for the Gov.



BTW, I am not hearing much about the ongoing media rights auction. After the sub-continent auction, ICC seems to have gone completely silent over it.


SKY Sports (UK) sealed the media rights deal with the ICC for 8 years. Both parties are yet to disclose the final price and unofficial reports are that the Australian deal is also done for 4 years.

We should get some details soon, fingers are crossed for some spicy drama.  Grin




Regarding BGT.. Iyer is out from the 1st test due to a back injury, he's still in NCA. We are running out of in form middle-order batters, first Pant and now Iyer, arguably the best players of spin in modern cricket. Guess squad needs some changes now.
1592  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: February 01, 2023, 10:21:20 AM
If the popularity of sport and population are the criteria then India should get a separate tier alone. Bangladesh is not far behind, they should be ahead of NZ too.

Oh well SA beat India 2-1 in their last home series. Pakistan lost all 3 test series at home, they didn't even win the series against SL and WI in the current WTC cycle.

Well, I am saying that performance should be the main criteria, but other factors can be supplementary. In case of Pakistan, injury to their premier fast bowler (Shaheen Shah Afridi) had a major impact on their recent matches. If you check the T20 rankings, Pakistan is at 3rd position and South Africa is at 4th. While deciding about the funding, performance in T20 should get higher priority, because it is the main revenue source. In case of Bangladesh, their performance can't be compared with either Pakistan or South Africa. They are far behind.
If a full test nation relies on only 1 bowler in a test format and that too in the home season then there is something very wrong in the setup. In contrast, SA beat the No 1 Indian team with 3 debutants in the team.

T-20 is a new phenomenon and unofficially the funding setup has a history of decades. T-20 ranking is volatile and it could change in a span of just 200 overs or 5 matches so it hardly matters. Cricket as a sport will die if you distribute funding based on T-20, primarily because of franchise cricket.


1593  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: February 01, 2023, 09:45:51 AM
Looks like a relegation system to me, which i am in favor of for a long time.

Although, if i look at the last 5 years or so then i don't know what Pakistan has done in test cricket so if push comes to shove then I'll put them in Tier 2 and move SA up in the pecking order.

Apart from performance, I took other factors as well, such as popularity of cricket in that country and size of the market. Pakistan is a country of 230 million people and cricket is the most popular sport there. South Africa has a population of approx. 60 million and cricket is the 3rd or 4th most popular sport. And at this point, I would say that both the nations are performing at the same level. But the market size should push Pakistan ahead of RSA. Anyway, it is a promotion-relegation system, so after every 3 or 4 years, teams who can't perform will get relegated.

BTW, there is good news coming in from Nepal. The Cricket Association of Nepal (CAN) has lifted its ban on Sandeep Lamichhane. Now he will be eligible to participate in the tri-series against Namibia and Scotland, which will begin later this month (part of ICC Men's Cricket World Cup League 2).
If the popularity of sport and population are the criteria then India should get a separate tier alone. Bangladesh is not far behind, they should be ahead of NZ too.

Oh well SA beat India 2-1 in their last home series. Pakistan lost all 3 test series at home, they didn't even win the series against SL and WI in the current WTC cycle.

Pakistan performance in last year has been phenomenal throughout, although they didn't get any trophy but still they were in finals of Asia Cup and t20 World Cup (India wasn't in them obviously). The point is just because of test series you cannot change Pakistan ranking and bring it below South Africa,  who is also a very good team.
ICC funding is based on Test status and not LOIs performance, that's why everyone wants test status tag.
1594  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Cricket match prediction discussions on: February 01, 2023, 08:48:39 AM
For a change and just to create some chaos in full members, i would like to see a new scenario.

Every full member should get only 15-20% amount of their contribution in ICC's piggy bank and the rest of the amount should be distributed among associates equally.

Not practical but it would be really fun for obvious reasons.  Wink

The number of associate nations have gone up over the years, as the ICC have added dozens of fake teams such as Norway and Czech Republic, which are entirely made up of nationals from India or Pakistan. Now the associate pot already got reduced by a lot in the 2015-23 cycle and then each team receives less amount because there are more number of countries. It is laughable that a country such as Nepal, which has 100% native players and has a cricketing history of many decades receive almost the same amount of funds that is received by Norway, which doesn't have a single national playing for it.

My proposal is to divide the test and associate nations, based on their performance. Each tier receives a proportionate amount of ICC funds.

Tier 1: IND, AUS, NZL, ENG and PAK
Tier 2: SL, WI, BAN, RSA and AFG
Tier 3: IRE, ZIM, SCO, NAM, NED
Tier 4: NEP, UAE, OMN, PNG, CAN
Tier 5: HK, USA, QAT, JER, UGA
Looks like a relegation system to me, which i am in favor of for a long time.

Although, if i look at the last 5 years or so then i don't know what Pakistan has done in test cricket so if push comes to shove then I'll put them in Tier 2 and move SA up in the pecking order.
1595  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: January 31, 2023, 08:18:08 PM
DRS is costly tech so not financially sustainable as these sorts of series hardly generate any revenue. Only Women's WC (Senior) uses DRS tech.

I understand it is costly but why such discrimination? I did not enjoy the match for the first reason it was unfair on both the team's part and second it got dominated by India as soon as the captain of WI got out. If you want women's T20 cricket to be engaging as well as entertaining you need to bring it to par with men's T20 cricket.

One can call it discriminatory behavior from the ICC or Cricket Boards.

But at the same time, you have to be practical. A large part of Women's cricket is based on a subsidy model and most of the cricket boards (except BIG-3) can't afford to add additional costs to their bills.

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DRS. Perhaps the ICC need to come up with a strict rule, which makes DRS mandatory for all the international matches.
ICC actually went in a different direction, they gave a free hand to respective boards so it comes down to affordability or whatever prejudice they have.

1596  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: January 31, 2023, 09:43:43 AM
What's happening with the women's T20 tri series between India, SA & WI? I just finished the highlights of the match between India and WI. I was surprised DRS was not used in that game. Is there something that I don't know or in women cricket DRS has been not included or only for this tri series they are not using it. There were couple of questionable outs given by the umpires in favour of both teams. Overall India won the match but it was kind of boring to watch as the match was a one sided one. @JSRAW or @Sithara007 do you have any clue?
DRS is costly tech so not financially sustainable as these sorts of series hardly generate any revenue. Only Women's WC (Senior) uses DRS tech.

Lot of criticism of Lucknow's pitch. I didn't watch a single ball but the scoreboard tells a very clear story that it was an extremely tough pitch to bat on, which we don't see in T-20. 

Having said that it's not a bad idea to have a such kind of pitch once in a while, despite T-20 being a batter's game. It gives us a reality check of where these modern batsmen stand in the pecking order.

Well.. I am confused. No one was complaining when 400+ totals were being made in the ODI matches. 90% of the matches that are being hosted by India are being played in pitches where the bowlers get zero assistance. Once in a while we get pitches like the one in Lucknow and suddenly all the hell breaks loose. Honestly, I am against both types of pitches. Cricket should be played in surfaces where both the bowlers and batsmen have adequate support. Else, the fans will get bored after some time and they will stop watching cricket. Apart from improving the personal stats of individual players, it is not going to benefit anyone.
Batriarchy at best and poor Ballsheviks are second class citizens in the cricketing world and among Ballsheviks, spinners are third class citizens.

If Batter scores run then it's all good. If Pitch is assisting seamers and pacers then wow it's the beauty of cricket but all hell breaks loose when the ball starts spinning.
1597  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: January 31, 2023, 07:29:58 AM
No one in BCCI or their granny asked for 80% share at all, ever. According to records BCCI only get 18-22% (depending on taxes) from ICC funds and they contribute approx 70-80% of revenue, this could surpass in the upcoming cycle, once ICC discloses their media rights numbers.

For the 2015-23 cycle, total funds available with ICC, to be distributed to member nations was $1.774 billion. Out of that, BCCI received a share of $405 million, which amounts for 23%. There is no tax deduction, as the ICC is based in UAE (where there is no income or corporate tax).
I was hinting toward ICC vs BCCI on the tax exemption dispute.

Recent reports suggest that for the upcoming ODI world cup, BCCI could lose close to 100 million dollars in taxes and last time they paid around 25 Million USD.
1598  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: ODI cricket and general cricketing discussion [self - mod] on: January 31, 2023, 05:56:40 AM
Well, we are talking about the England side minus Mark Wood and Ollie Robinson. Chris Woakes is the only regular pacer who was included in the 2nd ODI. Reece Topley and Olly Stone are not considered as regulars. And Sam Curran also doesn't bowl a lot these days. On top of that the two spinners (Moeen Ali and Adil Rashid) went for plenty. Maybe things will change once Jofra Archer comes back from his injury. And Rehan Ahmed is emerging as a quality spin option, although I am not sure how suitable is his style of bowling for the limited overs cricket.
I hope after Jofra archers inclusion the weak bowling line up of the English side changes but to an extent he can bowl 10 overs in limited cricket. England needs another two good and responsible  pace bowlers which at the moment is not happening. They tested a few in this series but none of them are good enough it seems.
Jofra Archer featured in the first ODI and Protea's batters beat the shit out of him all over the park and he went for 80 runs in his quota.

@Sithara007 If you look at England's squad for this series then this is almost full strength bowling lineup of England (minus Mark Wood). Ollie Robinson is yet to make his ODI debut so his name is irrelevant in the ODI setup.

1599  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: T20 and T20I cricket prediction and discussion on: January 30, 2023, 08:27:35 PM
Lot of criticism of Lucknow's pitch. I didn't watch a single ball but the scoreboard tells a very clear story that it was an extremely tough pitch to bat on, which we don't see in T-20.  

Having said that it's not a bad idea to have a such kind of pitch once in a while, despite T-20 being a batter's game. It gives us a reality check of where these modern batsmen stand in the pecking order.

I think it is actually not bad. In a time when everyone is talking about smashing the ball, it is actually good to see a low scoring match which is competitive, to be honest. And I honestly think low scoring matches are the best because those matches bring out the best of both teams in both batting and bowling. In a high scoring match, it is all about who can smash the ball harder and further. But in these matches, skill is at its highest.

The highlighted part is a big problem. In modern day cricket, especially in T-20 or franchise cricket, everyone (spectators) wants to watch big sixes and high scoring matches, as t-20 format is considered a batter's game and it's more fun. On some level it's also spreading in other formats too, that's why a 300-ish score is the new 250 score in ODI.
1600  Economy / Gambling discussion / Re: Test Cricket Prediction and Discussion Thread [self - mod] on: January 30, 2023, 07:43:30 PM
I think the funding for all the associate nations is going to decrease because India is asking for almost 80%. And if that happens, I think ICC will have no option but to actually figure out which cricket boards are poor and actually need the money more.
Ha! hearing this first time.

No one in BCCI or their granny asked for 80% share at all, ever. According to records BCCI only get 18-22% (depending on taxes) from ICC funds and they contribute approx 70-80% of revenue, this could surpass in the upcoming cycle, once ICC discloses their media rights numbers.
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