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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live!
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on: August 16, 2014, 02:55:03 PM
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These motherfuckers are acting smart.
I just watched in progress what's happening on cryptsy.
1) The bot is detecting the lowest selling current price.
2) It is trying to manipulate by putting the price even lower - just for 10-15 seconds. If no one is selling even lower, it takes the order away.
3) Then it waits for 5-7 seconds, and tries dumping again - trying to provoke someone watching it to sell even cheaper than itself. As soon as it happens - it puts the lowest price again, and repeats the algo. Basing upon people who hesitate and panic, it gradually dumps the price.
LUL.
I know... its a crafty piece of bot. its brutal for all those that are panicking & desperate people, they are being raped of their money by these bots. I guess there is no way of curbing it either. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live!
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on: August 16, 2014, 02:32:10 PM
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Guys,
I have a question.
I'll go right out ahead and say that i am a firm Darkcoin enthusiast (maybe even believer) because of the way that i've seen the developers handle everything thus far. Kudos for them all the way!
However, i am also invested in another coin (CL...)
I believe both of these coins have very good fundamentals and are serious contendors of having large marketcaps in the future.
However, I believe that currently the idea of CLOAK on OneMarket is superior to that what we are going to be implementing here (OpenBazaar).
Because the way I see it, OpenBazaar uses some form of central marketplace, whereas Onemarket is a decentralised marketplace.
Is there anyone who can explain me why OpenBazaar should/would be superior to an implementation like OneMarket, or why we choose to not try and implement something similar like them here?
Not trying to spread FUD here, i genuinely want DRK to succeed! Am just trying to get a more firm understanding of the market.
Dark on
My firm belief is that a currency has no place in being directly linked to any consumer market place. i dont thing its a good idea...for either cloak and dark. I understand in the case of cloak is they are trying to in essence to buy uses to use their coin. but this is very very narrow minded. Dark is a currency, ecash... and similar to fiat cash... shouldn't be integrated into "a particular market". that would be a third party application development and not a coin dev development. its like your trying to buy relevancy... imho You're belief's are correct. The currency and the market must stay completely separate for reasons too numerous to mention... But their 'bought' marketplace is essentially integrated in the blockchain, no? that doesn't mean that other markets won't accept it, it's just an extra feature of the coin i guess. I think it would just give the adoption a boost, since all holders and believers of the coin will start using this decentralised marketplace to sell their goods/services or whatever for their preferred coin. could you give me some of those reasons why currency and market have to be completely separated? I would find it hard to believe that the creator of the currency and of the decentralised marketplace could be held responsible if illegal goods would be sold/bought there. Dark on Think gold, silver and fiat. They have no built in features... they are holders of value. We need to think of brick and mortar and real-estate etc, big picture. The concept of a tied marketplace is so very miniscule that its humorous. i understand the concept of what its supposed to do. But if for whatever reason the built in feature market gets in trouble with the law enforcement and the government, whatvever... its now, right or wrong, tied to the potential issue and the coin. We call it "tied houses" in the booze business... not a good thing. Currency must be the currency. 3rd party yes.... and there is nothing wrong with a 3rd party working closely with a coin.. none. But having the market place actually integrated into its block chain... Bad. imho |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live!
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on: August 16, 2014, 02:09:45 PM
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and other unique features of Darkcoin that we've had in the works for awhile (I'm going to wait till all of the weak hands have left the building then I have some really cool stuff to announce).
-Evan
Could you quantify how you will be able to tell when these 'weak hands' are gone? If you ask me, this is the first time in months that there doesn't seem to be a concern over DRK's new lower-low price this morning. That's a pretty good sign of weak hands being gone, IMO. Disclaimer: I have a sell-all DRK stop-limit at .00550 which I really would rather not see hit, so I may be biased to see DRK's price take off now rather than drop any more (so ironically enough I might be a 'weak hand'). JL Hi JL... i have to assume its frustrating for the dev team to see the horse shit on this thread at times. We all need to remember, like us they have alot at stake. i for one don't think that your stop order is a show of a weak hand... your an investor and you have your legitimate investment goals and have a risk management strategy. That show intelligence. We all here have our own goals and objectives... that is our right. Cheers |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live!
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on: August 16, 2014, 02:01:35 PM
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Hello Everyone,
If you're running a larger than normal wallet and set "Amount to anonymize" to a really high amount, the client will prioritize money that has not been denominated, in effect denominating the entire amount ONCE (this could look like the round > 1 bug, but it's not). No input will reach 2 rounds before that amount is met. When the client detects you've reached the threshold you set, it will then start denominating round 2, then 3, etc.
From the looks of the thread all issues users are experiencing are not bugs at this point, just a misunderstanding of how Darksend works. All major bugs have been resolved and I'm going to move on to RC5 and other unique features of Darkcoin that we've had in the works for awhile (I'm going to wait till all of the weak hands have left the building then I have some really cool stuff to announce).
-Evan
Goodmorning Evan and thanks for the update. keep us posted. Ill now download RC4 and give it a whirl. Cheers |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live!
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on: August 16, 2014, 01:56:53 PM
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Guys,
I have a question.
I'll go right out ahead and say that i am a firm Darkcoin enthusiast (maybe even believer) because of the way that i've seen the developers handle everything thus far. Kudos for them all the way!
However, i am also invested in another coin (CL...)
I believe both of these coins have very good fundamentals and are serious contendors of having large marketcaps in the future.
However, I believe that currently the idea of CLOAK on OneMarket is superior to that what we are going to be implementing here (OpenBazaar).
Because the way I see it, OpenBazaar uses some form of central marketplace, whereas Onemarket is a decentralised marketplace.
Is there anyone who can explain me why OpenBazaar should/would be superior to an implementation like OneMarket, or why we choose to not try and implement something similar like them here?
Not trying to spread FUD here, i genuinely want DRK to succeed! Am just trying to get a more firm understanding of the market.
Dark on
My firm belief is that a currency has no place in being directly linked to any consumer market place. i dont thing its a good idea...for either cloak and dark. I understand in the case of cloak is they are trying to in essence trying to buy uses for their coin. but this is very very narrow minded. Dark is a currency, ecash... and similar to fiat cash... shouldn't be integrated into "a particular market". that would be a third party application development and not a coin dev development. its like your trying to buy relevancy... imho |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live!
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on: August 16, 2014, 01:42:30 PM
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Hi group...
Just checking and seeing is someone has compiled a list of any issues left? I for one have not yet installed the RC4 wallet because there were bound to be issues. its like buying the first major model change of a car... wont do it. There are always bugs... and to be honest I knew i wasnt going to have the time to devote to properly test it out as it is. what ver are we at. 31 now? Its not cool to have s slug fest in here. Im not sure why people are so worked up. From all the material in here it seems that 98% success rate thus far. thats great. I am not sure how to interpret the other 2%, it seems odd to me... they are quite vocal and toxic about it. I dont see whats wrong with going to the jira site to report bugs. People not doing so is sort of like haveing your Dell computer not working, and instead of calling tech support... going over to consumer reports and screaming about your computer being broken and jumping up in down and wondering why the computer isnt getting fixed... and refusing to use dell tech support because Dell support is going to be biased?!? How does that actually make sense? Common people really???
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live!
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on: August 16, 2014, 01:00:09 AM
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Well, current drk path is non viable IMHO. Market has given its judgement. Surprised me greatly with functioning rc4. It is betting that DW works and drk will be relegated.
I'm not convinced. Most people don't/wont care about privacy until it's too late. Those that do care aren't going to choose DW when DRK is superior in all ways. Well, people are daft so who knows? I agree that DRK needs a marketing push and it's up to all of us to do our bit, however small. Get the word out. Whenever I talk about it to people I know, all I get is blank stares. The most common response is "Inflation is a Republican Lie made-up to slander Democrats. $20 is worth $20, it never changes. It's written right on there, it's not like you can erase it and change the number!" Then they laugh at me and tell me how stupid I am. What is needed is a simplified media/PR package... something regular Joe Smoe can grasp. If Joe wants to find out more... direct him to more technical papers. Its time to explain privacy and why its important to the consumer and business owner. Youtube, Twitter Facebook... create simple clean professional clips and documents... |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live!
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on: August 16, 2014, 12:51:04 AM
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There is a very small window to gain real adoption between now and when dark wallet is released at year end. I suggest the opportunity should not be missed.
darkwallet lol Don't underestimate them. They have many Btc supporters. Amir can deliver. It'll always be just an addon vs something that's actually built into the protocol. It's a weak band-aid that doesn't even provide the fix it claims, vs DRK, a real solution which the anon is actually just the beginning of what it has to offer. The point is that the unwashed masses don't know it. And my personal experience is that no amount of PR will get through to them. They won't wake up until they're being dragged away. Drk works. I've tested and used it. To assume DW won't, is silly. They'll get it working. So, what you're saying is that no matter what Evan does, even if he beats them to the punch,m even if we win PR by a landslide, DRK will be useless and valueless because of darkwallet, and I better dump my DRKs now. No, I'm saying drk has a window to get its shit together and occupy this ecash space because the comp is not far behind. Drk does not have the luxury of time. But in the same breath you tell us that DarkWallet delivers the same without people having to do anything, which is why it will win even if DRK occupies this space, when DarkWallet copypastes Evan's work, DRK will simply cease to exist. Well, current drk path is non viable IMHO. Market has given its judgement. Surprised me greatly with functioning rc4. It is betting that DW works and drk will be relegated. So... there we have it. We are free to believe in the coin of choice with different views. lets all move on to more productive discussions. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live!
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on: August 15, 2014, 10:25:37 PM
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Everybody needs to calm down for a bit, individual opinions are just that, and we are free to debate but they do not represent the opinion of the majority or of Darkcoin. Everybody is valuable and of course the coin needs its miners and they are rewarded for their efforts, so could we please move on. Every time we have price swings, detractors of the coin come here to try to exacerbate any issue and make it seem like a crisis. This is an RC and a few tweaks are expected the important thing is we are already on mainnet and we are not going back Evan will fix any minor issues we have and we continue forward. There are 3 types of sellers right now: the ones that honestly want out and that is their prerogative and we respect their decision, the ones that are trying to sell to buy lower ( this is the majority in my opinion) well good luck to you guys it is really a lottery and the ones that are panic selling, don’t panic sell that is one of the worst things you can do, actually the panic sellers feed the rest, you haven’t lost anything until you sell. If you believe in anonymous crypto currencies then hold, Darkcoin is facing growing pains that all projects would eventually face if they were real but none of the others are there yet. So do not panic sell Darkcoin is here to stay, this launch ensures the continuity of the project, a failed launch would have been catastrophical, this was a successful launch, no forks, no reverting, we go forward. Evan fixes the kinks, Kristov finishes his review, we go to RC5. Other projects are a time bomb just like us they will eventually have to face reality you cant put off the launch forever we are here and we survived, now we can continue and when you see the Darkcoin blockchain turn into a fog in the next couple of weeks confidence will grow.
+1 The frog runs a p2pool node I believe so go easy on him/be nice to him. He's updated which means rc4 masternodes get paid. It's a two way street and as miner (I am) don't hate masternode operators because of the trolls. Likewise masternode oeprators shouldn't fall for similar trolling towards miners. The masternodes give dark it's value, the miners keep it secure. And X11 in itself has probably been one of the greatest recruiters to this coin. The fudders just try and divide us. exactly... again... we are all veterans here, we should start taking the high road. This same dialog is going on in every single alt coin. each has their own issues and their own fuddsters and trolls. its becoming so tiresome, boring and tedious. lets make a concerted effort to rise above and set an example. Lets please come up with a unified voice and message. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live!
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on: August 15, 2014, 04:11:12 PM
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GOING TO UNLOAD A BAG OF 20K DARK
That is the best news yet... 20k doesnt impress some if us here. So dump away bro... we are ready to buy  . The trick to making money... is making money when the market falls or rises.... in this case when someone does something stupid like announcing his hand to the world(think poker here folks) his a moron or he is trying shake more weak people to freak out and sell.... NO investor states their strategy on a bear market... but hey... he wants us to know he watns to dump 54k now of dark... and now all the sharks are smelling his blood. that is the most ridiculous dumping strategy ive ever heard in the 2 decades ive been trading.... lol |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live!
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on: August 15, 2014, 03:25:55 PM
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Looks like Darkcoin may be the first coin with practical anonymity(that can be used in everyday situations). Very good!
I cannot say this. Please explain "practical" please, as many coins offer this now. I think cloakcoin was the first and then xc, and shadowcoin. so unless you can explain, then your comment is mislead. Darkcoin offered anonymous sending (darksend) before cloakcoin or xc or shadowcoin even existed(all three of which copy Darkcoin's darksend) By Practical anonymity, I mean no blockchain bloat etc. Sorry, coinjoin mixer is no good anonymous. It was just temporary solution to satisfy, and has been proven that sender can be identify. So please no more lie, ok. RC4 still does not work without bug, so at present time this coin has no anon solution. Seems your english isn't very good......If coinjoin wasn't good anonymity, then those mixers wouldn't make people's coins impossible to track, correct? And Darkcoin uses much more advanced system than basic coinjoin. It also doesnt fall prey to large blockchain bloat. With that said, Darkcoin offered anonymous sending Before any of those coins you listed, even existed. Cloakcoin is 100% whitepaper, and they dont even have a working product. Troll better. we should take the time to explain this to the question poser. Darkcoin initially started with coinjoin but has since re done the code and is no longer anything similar to coinjoin. There eerr and are many inherent problems with coinjoin as well as it was proven to be weak at anonymizing. Please read the Darkcoin white paper from the official site. So as of today, only darkcoin provides the superior anon coin feature. |
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on: August 15, 2014, 12:29:20 PM
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Is RC4 working properly ?
That's the puzzling thing about it. RC4 is actually ok with darksend round = 1. The price drop surprised me. Shitty timing... its been a bloodbath week for lots of cryptos... though in the big picture of 12 month cycle... not to bad...maybe except for ltc. im still way up... and that is why... long term investing in fundamentals always wins. Its not just the timing. Its the non-existing outlook. Markets always need something to look out for, some kind of phantasy. That's what makes them advance. For instance if RC4 would have announced as a fixed date and time, we would have seen a much bigger price rally. People would have set up countdown timers, tweets about upcoming RC4 would have been made etc etc THATS whats drives markets! You need always to deliver outlooks! At the moment we have no outlook BEYOND RC4. The market recognizes that we will soon have a working anon, nevertheless: "What comes next?" No matter what comes next it should be communicated early. OUTLOOK boys, thats all that matters in markets. Outlook BEYOND RC4. The outlook is ip obfuscation I doubt you will be able to build a rally upon that. Strengthen the anonymity further is good but thats not whats been looked after at the moment. We need some phantasy/goal BEYOND a good and working anonymity. Whats comes next? super slick simple to use ui with a focus on utility... i really think pr for the features. im not convinced that one needs to come up with major pump items for coin stock to increase in value... it just needs to show stesdy progress and focusing on maturity. |
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Alternate cryptocurrencies / Announcements (Altcoins) / Re: [ANN][DRK] DarkCoin | First Anonymous Coin | First X11 | First DGW | DarkSend+ Is Live!
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on: August 15, 2014, 12:14:51 PM
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Is RC4 working properly ?
That's the puzzling thing about it. RC4 is actually ok with darksend round = 1. The price drop surprised me. Shitty timing... its been a bloodbath week for lots of cryptos... though in the big picture of 12 month cycle... not to bad...maybe except for ltc. im still way up... and that is why... long term investing in fundamentals always wins. Its not just the timing. Its the non-existing outlook. Markets always need something to look out for, some kind of phantasy. That's what makes them advance. For instance if RC4 would have announced as a fixed date and time, we would have seen a much bigger price rally. People would have set up countdown timers, tweets about upcoming RC4 would have been made etc etc THATS whats drives markets! You need always to deliver outlooks! At the moment we have no outlook BEYOND RC4. The market recognizes that we will soon have a working anon, nevertheless: "What comes next?" No matter what comes next it should be communicated early. OUTLOOK boys, thats all that matters in markets. Outlook BEYOND RC4. very valid point sir. PR is super important! |
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