Right now other than speculation and potentially using xmr.to there are even less use cases for Monero than Bitcoin. Not that it's a bad thing (we are just early in the game), but it speaks to its upside price potential being much greater than it is now.
There is this game that is only playable with Monero too...with over 100 players spending thousands of XMR there. I don't know of any game that accepts only Bitcoin and uses it as its in-game currency. ^ highly significant with huge potential impact leverage. Imagine this game becomes even just moderately popular (not even considering black swan "hit" status). The number of users quickly goes off the chart compared to typical crypto user bases. The game also has a high potential for locking up a significant part of the total supply in a "good" way. |
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I'm invested in both Monero and DRK. I don't care who wins. In terms of potential profit, I actually stand to gain more from Monero, just because the DRK-XMR rate was so favorable when I diversified. That being said, why are Monero lead devs trolling Darkcoin? Are you guys fucking brain dead? Do you not realize how terrible that looks? If you guys spent half as much time working as trolling, Monero might actually be usable by now. This criticism applies to Smooth in particular. Get you head out of your ass bud.
I feel inclined to post this again, because you are mixing up trolling and stating facts. The post from fluffypony is very well argumented and isn't meant as trolling. Just stating the facts. Smooth also repllied on this a few hours ago: ....
Maybe the same reason people "trolled" against pirate@40 or BFL so if I invest in Monero, I am investing in the core dev and the top community members spending 90% time trolling against the leader in the anon space with 20x Monero's volume and dragging the Monero name through the mud on a daily basis, instead of trying to improve Monero itself to compete better? Thanks for the info, makes sense. (  ) Criticizing an instamine/premine scam with mediocre technology does not drag our name through the mud, and meanwhile, Monero is being steadily improved. I happen to be working on database performance right now. What are you doing to contribute to your favorite open source projects? |
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This deserves a crosspost: know your address everywhere, everytime xmr.link is an OpenAlias service implementation to work specificly with Monero. With this service you can easly convert your monero address to any avaliable and short name of your choose instead of remembering an 95 char long key. (You will remember it, and most important, the ones who want/need to send you money will remember it!) Advantages of using xmr.link:- Know everywhere, everytime your address
- Already working with last simplewallet and mymonero
- DNSSEC avaliable
- 6 different domains that you can choose
- Easy to use
- Use your moneroj
This service is still under development, some minor bugs can be expected.Future implementations needed:- More information on the page (know how to use)
- DNSSEC in all domains (currently only avaliable on xmr.rocks)
- QR Codes avaliable to use on forums, websites, ect..
- Public API that allows to register your name remotely and annonymus based only on payment_id (should be usefull to implement on gui wallets)
Topic here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999468.0 |
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This deserves a crosspost: know your address everywhere, everytime xmr.link is an OpenAlias service implementation to work specificly with Monero. With this service you can easly convert your monero address to any avaliable and short name of your choose instead of remembering an 95 char long key. (You will remember it, and most important, the ones who want/need to send you money will remember it!) Advantages of using xmr.link:- Know everywhere, everytime your address
- Already working with last simplewallet and mymonero
- DNSSEC avaliable
- 6 different domains that you can choose
- Easy to use
- Use your moneroj
This service is still under development, some minor bugs can be expected.Future implementations needed:- More information on the page (know how to use)
- DNSSEC in all domains (currently only avaliable on xmr.rocks)
- QR Codes avaliable to use on forums, websites, ect..
- Public API that allows to register your name remotely and annonymus based only on payment_id (should be usefull to implement on gui wallets)
Topic here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=999468.0 |
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Our beloved core team member David Latapie is being considered for the hugely coveted title of Altcoin Gangster. Although in connection with his other coin, I think we should still give him some Monero love over here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=723764.0Nice title fits perfectly with the pump and dump scam of Monero unfolding. beware newbies before investing!! Better let this one first drop towards normal levels and get some Doge, or plain bitcoin in the mean time First troll in--must mean fear is in the air.  there are over ~500 posts in the DRK thread in the last 2 weeks from Monero community with every accusation and slander under the sun FYI. Drk is the Milli Vanilli of privacy coins FYI. Most of the people in the Monero community care more about privacy than profits and when they see this pig with lipstick dancing around singing, "We're better than Bitcoin and more anonymous than Monero!" The BS meter spikes and gets some reaction. Good luck when the dam breaks and washes you out of delusionville. 'pig with lipstick'? why such vitriol towards DRK all the time and flooding the DRK thread, reddit, everywhere with it? Why are there so many Monero people attacking DRK? It's in all anon coins interest to work together to build a market, instead Monero spends 90% of its time attacking a totally seperate coin and 0% of DRK is attacking Monero. Why? Not saying I agree with attacking anothers threads, but as to why? I think Fluffponyza post here is why: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zufu1/a_great_podcast_by_lets_talk_bitcoin_discussing/cpmjh9yThat just makes it look worse though how does that explain the trolling - the Monero core dev himself has now started posting on DRK threads? If DRK is so flawed and scam, why would the Monero core dev need to do anything at all? Did a DRK dev ever come here and start throwing accusations? You're mixing up trolling and stating facts. |
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Our beloved core team member David Latapie is being considered for the hugely coveted title of Altcoin Gangster. Although in connection with his other coin, I think we should still give him some Monero love over here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=723764.0Nice title fits perfectly with the pump and dump scam of Monero unfolding. beware newbies before investing!! Better let this one first drop towards normal levels and get some Doge, or plain bitcoin in the mean time newbies, PLEASE also take a close look at what one of the main players in Monero is posting day in day out: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=17501;sa=showPosts...Who was also exposed as key part of the Hashfast scam (real name Eduardo deCastro) https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=381687.090% of his time he spends 'concern trolling' on the DRK/Dash thread with a group of people helping him, while the DRK/Dash market price soars. ask yourself WHY?...preparing for a Monero exit? Be very careful, DO YOUR RESEARCH. Please elaborate more on the fact of how iCEBREAKER is a main player in Monero? He is just an investor in, and supporter of, the coin and the core-team can't prevent him from doing that nor from trolling/fud'ing other coins. If you are seriously looking for the people behind Monero take a look here -> http://getmonero.org/knowledge-base/people . Your post is just a silly attempt in creating FUD and scaring off newcomers to this coin. |
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Fluffypony made a mistake about the instamine. It wasn't 8 days it was more like 8 hours. Specifically, 1.5m coins in the first 5 hours and 15 minutes. During much of that time the code was broken. It's really absurd how scammy the launch was, not just the instamine itself but the events surrounding it. I'm sorry but when I put these facts together I see a strong circumstantial case that it wasn't an accident. Everything about it lines up just right to put millions of coins into someone's pocket and exclude others. See more here: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=421615.msg10847078#msg10847078More info and numbers can be found here as well -> http://devtome.com./doku.php?id=a_massive_investigation_of_instamines_and_fastmines_for_the_top_alt_coins#darkcoin |
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I didn't want to withhold this from you guys, it is pretty hilarious in fact -> http://pastebin.com/pPNf8y6LMight have, next to the awareness Peter Todd raised, sparkled some of the rally. |
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You shoulnd't be worried about the DRK rise, it's way overbought at the moment and everyone knows it's mostly one whale pushing up the price with support and attack walls (lol) and every newbie is following buying at the (near) top. A healthy correction is due but that doesn't mean some people will do anything they can to keep the price up, that absolutely doesn't mean this is smart money The only reason I'm kicking myself now is that I didn't buy some under 0.006, only because there is a lot of money to be made from stupid money. I would never buy it because of fundamentals ofcourse. Stock traders like BTC trading because there is a lot of dumb money involved, then we have DRK, a loooooot of dumb money involved  Don't kick yourself. Congratulate yourself for avoiding a Ponzi scheme that could implode at any moment for any number of reasons (legal, social, technical, bus-related). It's not worth risking BTC that could be used to hlod moar XMR on gambling with shitcoins. Don't try to pick up pennies in front of bulldozers. XMR is supported by smart money and hot money; DARSH is pumped by scam money and dumb money. DARSH also benefits from being older and trading on more exchanges (plus having an Official GUI). This advantage will erode in the future, as USD-enabled CrapSea (where ~50% of DARSH trades) is rumored to be adding XMR Soon(tm).  when the hell is that happening? be great to know that kind of information before it hits. I guess no one will never precisely know when this will happen, but the host during the dogedradio interview said they were working on integrating it. |
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Saying that a well-designed, intuitive, easily-used Graphical User Interface doesn't matter is simply ridiculous. I realize that fluffypony had a specific issue that he was making a point about when he wrote what he did regarding adoption, business integration, and the GUI.
However, a well-designed, intuitive, and easily-used Graphical User Interface are crucial for the success of virtually any piece of software or hardware in today's day and age.
Why is Apple so successful? I would argue that their GUI's, combined with the hardware to properly utilize the potential of their GUI's, is the entire basis of their success. Sure, marketing and reputation have been vital, but without good-looking GUI's their marketing department would be trying to put lipstick on a pig.
Why is Windows more popular than Linux? Linux is free, Windows costs money. Shouldn't people run the free OS more often? Windows is easily used. Linux has come a long way, but it inevitably requires substantially more effort for the average person.
If the Monero GUI can make the slope of the learning curve so easy to climb that Your Mom Can Use It, it will be vital in propelling the success of XMR that all of us are so eager to witness.
I hope it's been demonstrated with MyMonero that we know a thing or two about UX and simplicity, and that will translate to the GUI. That said, it's simply not acceptable for us (to echo your words) to put lipstick on a pig and ship a GUI that is pleasant enough, but takes 4 days to sync from scratch, requires 6+gb of RAM, sucks a ton of bandwidth, and is accepted nearly nowhere. We will deliver a proverbial work of art, but it requires building out parts of the foundation that we had previously viewed as less of a priority (until the 202612 attack). Oh, and we're doing it on like no money, so there's that. I admire this view and the core team shouldn't just release some half-baked thing. I think Jojatekok or even Jwinterm's version are sufficient to use to marketeer once the DB is integrated in it. You can find screens of jojatekok's wallet here -> https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=683365.0. As you can see, that shouldn't be to hard to use for the average Joe. |
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My suggestion to those involved here, is that you should consider targeting not only the tech savvy but dumb things down a lot also on social media and marketing, to draw in new people. Clearly state in easy to understand ways why someone looking at Monero doesn't get lost in tech talk, but very simple reasons this coin is the best.
We've gotten quite a bit of play in the comments at http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zrdxz/withdrawals_halted_as_stolen_evolution_coins_make/which is currently the top post there This is the kind of thing that can really raise awareness especially if done relevant and factual way that does not come off as spam. I would also like to add that we started a socialmedia team some weeks ago to utilize our twitter/fb/G+ more and also make it a lot more active. We try to post/tweet, next to the weekly missives/digests, informative articles/pieces on a regular pace. So far it has been paying off since we are receiving new interest and new followers on both social media platforms. What is the twitter link please? Are you representing the official Twitter page? Here you go: https://twitter.com/monerocurrencyFacebook here: https://www.facebook.com/monerocurrencyOfficial is a big word. At first Quanttek was handling it, but he didn't have enough time on his hands to maintain doing it. Having that in mind we gathered a new team (dnaleor, davidlatapie, GreekBitcoin, Quanttek (if he has time) and me). After some discussion with the core team, we came to the conclusion that this was the best way to handle it and the core team had no problem with us doing it. Having non-core members handling the socialmedia also lightens some of the workload of the core-members and they can instead focus on more important matters. PS: I mostly post the things on Twitter and Facebook, but before that we, as a team, first discuss what is going to be posted and how we will post is. PS2: If you have a Twitter or Facebook account, please follow/like us. Coingecko takes the amount of followers/likes in consideration and liking/following us will thus boost our rank on Coingecko. EDIT: If you have some additional articles/pieces/posts that you think are tweetworthy, just shoot me a PM and we will look into it. Also if you have some recommendation on how to improve the managing of Twitter/Facebook, just shoot me a PM! |
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My suggestion to those involved here, is that you should consider targeting not only the tech savvy but dumb things down a lot also on social media and marketing, to draw in new people. Clearly state in easy to understand ways why someone looking at Monero doesn't get lost in tech talk, but very simple reasons this coin is the best.
We've gotten quite a bit of play in the comments at http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zrdxz/withdrawals_halted_as_stolen_evolution_coins_make/which is currently the top post there This is the kind of thing that can really raise awareness especially if done relevant and factual way that does not come off as spam. I would also like to add that we started a socialmedia team some weeks ago to utilize our twitter/fb/G+ more and also make it a lot more active. We try to post/tweet, next to the weekly missives/digests, informative articles/pieces on a regular pace. So far it has been paying off since we are receiving new interest and new followers on both social media platforms. |
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anyone speak chinese?
iourzzz/cryptonic are in China. But that's just one piece of the puzzle. We need a system to coordinate missive, roadmap, and other content translation into all 32 major languages. This is one thing our marketing expert friends at Dark-cum-Dash are doing well: https://www.transifex.com/projects/p/darkcoin/We don't have to use transifex and could post Help Wanted ads on the various national subs here instead. It's too early now, but let's have something ready to go when the GUI is done. I would like to help translate to the languages I speak, when such platform is available I'm sure it will make Monero website and wallets much more accessible. btw xmr.to is getting some well deserved attention: https://twitter.com/petertoddbtc/status/579092073875308545This should be added as well: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2zrdxz/withdrawals_halted_as_stolen_evolution_coins_make/cplo3vdWe're going to find out the hard way that Bitcoin will get outcompeted by currencies like Monero and Zerocash if we don't act to get better anonymity and privacy into Bitcoin itself. |
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Monero will never be a contender until it loses its dependency on BTC.
If consumers can't easily acquire XMR, then merchant adoption is out of the question. Fluffypony is right that a GUI means nothing. The core team builds the protocol. It's the responsibility of third parties to develop the necessary tools for consumers.
But we will never have the consumer demand to drive such third party development without a dedicated and easy fiat exchange. Notice I said "dedicated." It's not enough to be included on some BTC-fiat platform with other alts. There needs to be a stupidly easy way to purchase XMR with fiat money. And yes, I realize that achieving this (legally) is an extremely challenging problem.
We had a dedicated exchange which could have morphed into accepting fiat but the cold hard reality is all the volume moved to Polo, people will always trade alts on multi alt platforms until a crypto is big enough to support a dedicated platform. Which one are you talking about then? I think if some reputable member of the Monero community started a fiat <-> XMR exchange, most of the volume will move to it. Lack of trust in other exchanges is one of the reasons people stay on poloniex. |
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if zerocash comming out soon, than i think drk and xmr will be pointless
One of the problems with zerocash is, if I recall correctly, that you can't determine if, when there is a bug or exploit, extra coins were created. |
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fluffypony i don't want to trash your coin of something.... but your Fanboys really need to get their shit straight and stop shilling and FUDing other coins.
Real coins grow without the need to trash other coins only scam coins need this.
The only guy that is trolling is iCEBREAKER (if you would've read his posts, you would know he does this every once in a while and is notorious for it). I can't believe that you are so narrow-minded that you let your view on a coin depend on only 1 guy. |
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Any plans to give an interview on the Let's Talk Bitcoin network (alt channel so to speak). I just listened to an interview with the creator of DRK/dash and it was interesting to say the least. I would have liked a Monero guy on there to give an opposing/alternaive viewpoint. I think a little debate will help the stronger coin out. I'm in XMR's corner of course, but not reading much these days on its main competitor makes me feel a bit out of touch.
Related, can we ever have a wallet app on e.g. Android, for XMR as opposed to a web wallet- is there anything creative we can do?
IAS
Porting LightWallet to Android seems possible given reasonable inputs of time/effort/skill and/or funding/bounties. XMR competes with BTC; Darshcoin competes with CLOAK and other shitcoins. XMR has no serious competition in the 'legitimately trustless privacy-enabling digicash' sector. Bitcoin, with its high-volume array of 3rd party tumblers/mixers, comes the closest. Darsh enjoys 1st mover status in the 'scamcoin marketed as privacy-enabling digicash' field. But its technology is unproven, and outside of the cult (who stand to profit from their Ponzi nodes) not many will trust it for security-sensitive applications. 10000 this, you'll rarely or almost never see any Bitcoin stuff making the slighest hint about Monero, unless the person really likes/understands it, after the scamcoin "bought"(subverted) dashcoin I have enough evidence to support my paranoia that Bitcoins already started to rolling behind the scenes to stop or slow down XMR acceptation. At minimum there is a silent conspiracy to ignore Monero/cryptonote. Luke Jr. and other Bitcoin devs have hinted that they are working on a Monero-like Bitcoin sidechain. They obviously respect Monero's tech. More info here: http://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/2oh7vq/toward_unlinkable_bitcoin_transactions_andrew/Make sure to read the comments as well. |
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