As I commented in another post, lies, bigger lies and statistics.

First, I don't know if you have not understood that I do not deny that COVID exists. Some people do, I don't. The occurrence of the large peak in April may be due to many causes, including collapse of the hospital system. That there is a 100% excess mortality peak in April tells me nothing if the overall excess mortality is around 5%. As I say, it may be due to different factors, among other things that at that time COVID was something new. If you add another disease to the mortality rate we already had, even if statistically it has a low mortality, the overall mortality rate will normally increase. This is fully compatible with COVID cases being inflated, as has been done, by counting completely asymptomatic people as COVID or also counting common flu cases as COVID.

It turns out that we have an epidemic that has been called a pandemic to scare more, in which cases have been inflated counting as infected people who do not show any symptoms at any stage and counting as dead by COVID people as cancer patients who exceed life expectancy, although they did not show any symptoms, if they were tested for COVID and were positive.

Lately COVID cases are dropping significantly. Is this due to vaccines? Not at all:

Is This Why "New COVID Cases" Are Crashing?

"The scary red numbers are all going down. Check any newspaper or covid tracking website you want. Cases. Deaths. Hospitalisations. They’re all going down, sharply, and have been for weeks, especially in the US and UK."..."The assumption most people would make, and would be encouraged to make by the talking heads and media experts, is that the various “vaccines” have taken effect and stopped the spread of the “virus”.

Is this the case? No, no it’s not.

The decline started in mid-January, far too early for any vaccination program to have any effect."..."Another suspect is the lockdown, with blaring propaganda stating that all the various government-imposed house arrests and “distancing” measures have finally had an impact.

That’s not it either.

Sweden, famously, never locked down at all. Yet their “cases” and “Covid related deaths” have been dropping exactly in parallel with the UK."..."on January 13th the WHO published a memo regarding the problem of asymptomatic cases being discovered by PCR tests, and suggesting any asymptomatic positive tests be repeated.

This followed up their previous memo, instructing labs around the world to use lower cycle thresholds (CT values) for PCR tests, as values over 35 could produce false positives.

Essentially, in two memos the WHO ensured future testing would be less likely to produce false positives and made it much harder to be labelled an “asymptomatic case”.

In short, logic would suggest we’re not in fact seeing a “decline in Covid cases” or a “decrease in Covid deaths” at all.

What we’re seeing is a decline in perfectly healthy people being labelled “covid cases” based on a false positive from an unreliable testing process."

Not really, they have been around much longer than that, commond cold is caused by some types of coronaviruses and we are not going to think that it only exists since 1930s.


Here I agree with you 100%

As I commented in the other thread, I prefer Saylor much rather than McAfee, because although the former was accused of fraud a long time ago, in general he gives a much cleaner image than the latter. I don't wish McAfee any ill will personally but if he has done something wrong let him pay for it.

We cannot take isolated cases as if they were the general rule. I am against mandatory vaccination etc. but there aren't millions of people dying because they are getting vaccinated.

Some of the regulars on the WO thread have been Hodlers for quite some time, I don't know if since 2010 but I sure know of a few who claim to be holding since not too many years later. You have to think that most people sold. Those who bought at $0.10 and multiplied the investment by 10, 50 or 100 probably sold and only a few visionaries kept holding or made partial sales when the price went up without selling everything.

Show us the evidence of the successful trades you've made so we can give some credibility to what you say instead of thinking you're spewing shit out of your mouth. Past performance does not guarantee future performance but if you show some proof, which you are not going to do, we can think that you are not just another of the many charlatans that swarm the forum.

The most normal thing is that they will all fall little by little, since this is not a question of a crazy investment. It is rather the best way to protect against massive central bank printing. To hold cash for longer than a year is to be willing to lose money. Obviously, you have to have some cash. But we will see how little by little, they start buying small amounts of Bitcoin and then more and more companies buy more and more amounts.

I believe this is the key. With vaccinations every 6 months for COVID and diseases that arise, constant profits are assured everywhere for pharmaceuticals, for low risk diseases. As if it wasn't enough how many people there already are with chronic medications that can be avoided with natural remedies.

Blah blah blah blah, you can keep spouting all the crap you want out of your mouth, you're not the one who's going to say whether what I post proves or fails to prove. The people who read it see it with their own eyes.

You keep misrepresenting data by putting up biased statistics and I'm not going to waste my time discussing them point by point because as soon as I refute a biased argument you present me with another bullshit isolated statistic or another biased argument and this is going to be a never-ending story.

And yes, I have presented ample evidence and you have presented biased bullshit evidence that proves nothing.

There is no money there to be made. It is more interesting from a scientific point of view to give pharmaceutical companies many billions in profits by effectively forcing people to get vaccinated. Maybe if @oeleo stops by he will leave a couple of links about how scientifically interesting it is that pharmaceutical companies make multi-billion dollar profits and how scientifically uninteresting high levels of vitamin D are as immune system protectors.

To be honest, man, I think what you have writte  is quite crappy but I'm going to give you my stance on the rich/poor bullshit.

There will probably never be a world without any poor because poor is a relative concept: it means "poorer than...".

The problem with the discourse that the rich are richer and all that crap is that it is counted to justify going towards a communist regime that is precisely a specialist in creating millions of poor people. And not like today's poor in developed countries, who eat several times a day, have cell phones, etc. but like people who die of hunger and misery. The only way to equalize people is from below: make them all equally poor.

If you leave room for initiative, effort and talent you will have a society of rich and poor, but where the poor will live much better than in "egalitarian" societies where everyone starves equally.

I would say that those who have a long track-record and advertise on the forum are safe, such as Bitvest.io. But there are others as well. I don't think any are significantly safer than the others.

I don't know how you have the gall to say that when you are blatantly making up things you want to be true without presenting any evidence. You're presenting isolated statistics that don't prove anything.

That I have not presented evidence? I have presented you with WHO articles, articles published in Nature, in the BMJ. You are the one who only attends to isolated data so that they reinforce what you previously want them to demonstrate.


And you keep going on and on with the bullshit of spouting isolated statistics here to supposedly prove the things you'd like to be true. Well, they aren't. That is, of the people who have less than a 1% chance of dying, of those 15 to 20% supposedly have no underlying health conditions.

So statistically, that's fucking shit close to 0 no matter how you look at it.


For me this is not a matter of trust. Lies dammed lies and statistics. The links he is putting are isolated statistics that don't mean anything.


You haven't read the article published in the World Health Organisation that I've put before. I'll put it again:

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf

It basically says that mortality from COVID is not much different than mortality from the flu.

That peak is because anyone who died was labeled as the cause of death: "COVID". There was a video around of the Irish parliament where an MP was questioning someone from Health and one by one he picked apart how alleged COVID deaths were labeled. Basically if you are 95 years old, have terminal cancer, die and test positive for COVID they put the cause of death as COVID.

Edit: It's taken me some time to find it, but I've finally found it. Otherwise some people were going to say that I was making this up:

https://www.facebook.com/MichaelMcNamaraTD/posts/3840557722640402

This is his Facebook page the MPs Facebook page.

Where are the age groups in those percentages? Saying that 6% of deaths (or 9%, it doesn't matter) has no underlying health conditions and not taking into account the age is, simply, distorting the truth:

https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulationandcommunity/birthsdeathsandmarriages/deaths/bulletins/deathsinvolvingcovid19englandandwales/deathsoccurringinmay2020



So you mean that those 6% (or 9%) were older than 60 in 99,9% of the cases and older than 80 also in the vast majority of cases. So those are the healthy persons dying from COVID. Healthy 80-something year-olds. The truth is that COVID mortality is no much different than flu mortality, here is another link for you:

https://www.who.int/bulletin/online_first/BLT.20.265892.pdf

To your knowledge: according to your parameters, "healthy" people also die of the flu. And it had never occurred to anyone to curtail freedoms and impose obligations everywhere because of it.

No they aren't. The probability of a healthy person dying from COVID is so low as to be statistically insignificant. Later you even say yourself:


You saying that healthy people are dying from COVID sounds to me the same as Jet Cash saying that people are dying everywhere in the short term from getting the vaccine. In reality, you are not so different, even if the discourse you defend is the opposite.


I am still waiting for your reply from when I cited a study of 10 million people done in Wuhan, China. Is a study of 10 million people in the place where the epidemic originated scientific enough for you? Here I quote it back to you, I've been waiting almost two months for a response:

The concept is relative, but in any case it refers to someone who has an abundance of resources, above the average of their peers. It is not the same as being a millionaire. All millionaires are rich, but not all rich people have to be millionaires. According to the dictionary rich is

"having a lot of money or valuable possessions."

We are not going to define it better.

If you are so naive to think that all investments should give you dividends you shouldn't.

There is something called capital appreciation.

The businesses that grow the most in the long term do not pay dividends; capital simply grows more and more.

Precisely because it is a question of young and old, we are not going to think that people over 80 will live forever.

Restrictive measures should have been taken with the elderly and people with risk factors, but no politician has wanted to impose quarantines and lockdowns only on the elderly because they knew they had a lot of votes to lose.


You don't know what current vaccines do. For people who get vaccinated they prevent them from get serious symptoms, so if you get vaccinated, you don't have to worry about me getting vaccinated or not. Anti-vaxxers is a word you have pulled out of your sleeve to disqualify without arguments. I am pro-vaccine, but I am against being forced to take this one.

Here we go disqualifying again. So this is about morally superior beings and evil beings who refuse to get vaccines. Come on!

Hi @Brainboss

Isn't this week the 4th week since the last payment? I say this because normally when the 4 weeks are fulfilled you say so, and I don't know if you notify Lightlord. Mostly I say this so that there is not much more delay than usual, which is something many of us are used to and also Lightlord gives us a bonus. Anyway, just so you are aware in case you aren't already.