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Augur Rep - how do you think it feels to be 'balls deep' in a token that isn't even launched yet?!? It hurts ... lol.
BTC of course, and then a smattering of odd alt coins, to keep me distracted from just how painful it is waiting for Augur to launch.
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At first I believe Bovada only accepted Bitcoin deposits, but recently they also offer withdraws.
Intertops took the same approach.
Here's what my cashier looks like for Bovada.
Thank you very much, I will definitely take another look. I have USD stranded on Bovada forever, would loooove to withdraw using BTC. |
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updated some stuff, will update some more stuff some other time Thanks for putting this list together - I appreciate the hard work!
Here is some feedback:
The Bovada.lv, Bodog and Slots.lv brands require documentation. They accept players all over USA. Bodog is the brand for Canadian customers. Slots.lv does not have poker, and has only slots and table games.
Balances have always been carried in USD. You can deposit with a credit card and payouts were via check, wire, etc... In May 2016, they added BTC deposits and withdrawals.
All withdrawals have an "estimated" approval time of 72 hours. Until approved, balances are left on the site, and are playable funds.
Once approved, Bovada "estimates" you will get BTC in your wallet within 2-6 hours. The withdrawal amount is converted from USD to BTC when the payment transaction is sent to your wallet. Although some withdrawals are completed as quickly as 2-3 days several people had issues in late May 2016, and it took over 20 days to hit wallets.
Emailing or calling regular support staff can be very frustrating as their abilities, responsibility and knowledge are limited. Currently they also have poor knowledge of Bitcoin, the blockchain and how Bitcoin transfers work. I've read "Bank Statements" were asked for a bitcoin withdrawal, and that "typo errors" were made when sending payments. If you have any issues, call and talk to a supervisor or manager. They have the ability to expedite and resolve issues better than general support staff.
Feedback on Betcoin.TM:
I've never seen much action on their Poker. After a few small deposits, I hit big multiple times in a row on their slots several months ago. Had some serious delays in getting my withdrawals processed, but I had several large withdrawals processed. I was informed a security check was pending by the admin. It took a while, and general support's abilities were restricted with what they could do and status updates. It took about 10 days to get the first installment payment, and subsequent withdrawals were quick. I tried some tiny deposits and withdrawals last month, and those seemed to work fine.
Betcoin.TM also keeps pending withdrawals in the players playable funds until they are processed. It requires patience to not play off your pending when casinos keep pending withdrawls in available balance.
Thanks for updates. My wallet on Bodog says 1-15 min withdraw time, do you (or anyone) see that? Not that I would expect it, just curious. I'm thinking OP is mistaken about Bodog/Bovada ever processing BTC withdrawals. I'm on Bovada.lv and in May they began accepting BTC deposits ONLY. No withdrawals now, and no timeframe or suggestion that they might be offered soon. |
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Ok i take the above for granted. So since a "commited" gambler must find a workaround to bypass the "blocked by the censors" sites , it definetely means that those sites are not considered legit for the chinese players, by the chinese government. Also if a gambler needs to gamble privately in private rooms and apartments,or he needs to be "introduced to some guy," or he must plan "gambling sessions" through Whatsapp, then im pretty sure that he can not do otherwise , meaning that he can not do it free and open -> meaning he cannot do it publicly -> meaning its not accepted by the governments rules -> so we can call it "regulated and not legal",thus we can call it illegal .
Fair to say nothing is 'legit' in China, least of all the government. Remember, the Chinese Communist Party came to power by stealing land and property from the ruling class. The CCP continues to loot the country to this day. Many ordinary Chinese understand this; in many ways they are just people like you and me. A couple more examples: Particularly near the ubiquitous construction sites: in the evenings and holidays/weekends you will find construction workers playing 3-card poker openly on the sidewalks. I never saw police harass them, but the players do not want their pictures taken. High stakes mahjong gambling is insane in some parts of the country. Cities in Sichuan shut down on the weekends so that everyone can play mahjong for money: they play openly in 'tea houses' that plainly exist to facilitate mahjong gambling, and bigger stakes are played, again, in private apartments run by individuals and syndicates. For example, I met a woman who regularly lost US$10-30k each weekend playing mahjong. (Her family owned a brokerage, and she was an executive/principal).But she explained to me that she lost the money to her friends, who needed it more than her, so she saw it as a way to support her friends. Gambling is rampant in China. Most gambling is live. The online gambling is heavily concentrated on sketchy, Chinese-only websites that a westerner would have difficulty finding. |
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There's a real opportunity of profit for any user without any initial investment, but those joining the Crowdsale before the public release will have the chance of being a Pioneer Miner, i.e. host, of certain media content permanently. Therefore, generating consistent revenue every time the user is online.
Obviously some content is more valuable that others. Likely, if you are successful, your most valuable content will come on board long after many other lesser artists have. So, do you have some algorithm for who gets what content, and when? Will the crowdsale participants always have first choice re: what content to host? Finally, I'll torrent something from time to time, but I don't host things. So there would be a necessity of keeping my PC or server on, in order to monetize my cached content? |
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It is misguided to ask, or even think, if something like gambling is 'illegal' in China, because China's 'legal system' is unlike anything you've likely experienced.
Something may be deemed 'illegal' or prohibited by the central government in Beijing, but if the provincial government in Yunnan wants to facilitate the gambling industry it will do so, carefully. I have lived and travelled throughout China, and I can tell you gambling takes place all over the country. Using Whatsapp I found NL Hold'em games in Shanghai, Beijing, ChongQing, Xiamen, Hangzhou ... basically everywhere I went. Even smaller cities had games. In one city card rooms were opening and holding tournaments. They got around the gambling aspect by requiring you to buy points, and to play for points. You could only cash out your points by buying gold bars - which of course were perfectly fungible. The room operators would introduce me to a guy, a regular player, who could buy my points for cash. Of course that was a 'private transaction' that protected the room. Months later when the central government made a show of cracking down on gambling, the local government shut these very public rooms as well, but the games continued in private apartments, arranged through word-of-mouth and Whatsapp.
Lots of Chinese poker players play poker on Chinese websites. They also play poker on Pokerstars of course. These websites might be blocked by the censors, but a committed gambler will find a way around that.
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You should bring back chinese electronics like tablets ans phones. To import these from source is not really worth it because there is a high likelyhood customs would hit you with import tax. If you bring them in person you can sell them in your home country for profit.
To be clear, all the branded phones like Samsung or Apple aren't sold any cheaper in China. The only phones you will get are the non-branded or chinese company phones which in most cases are not allowed in a lot of other countries due to some IMEI restrictions. Yes, China has big import duties so it is actually profitable to buy high end phones in the US and then sell them in China. People can bring several in as 'personal items' or 'gifts' and then sell 'em. Doesn't work buying in China, unless it is some cheap local brand, or a knock off. |
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Interesting idea ... the question becomes which comes first: the 'customer' or the 'artist/label' ? In the case of iTunes, Apple had a captive customer base, and the size/credibility to bring the labels on board. Fibo has neither at this point, and I'm not sure a crowdsale gets you there. I'd love for this to work (and to short AAPL along the way) ... hmmm. If I see some momentum I could see myself jumping aboard ...
Also, in your shoes I would take some notes from Augur's crowdsale, and consider selling 'Fibo' coins that grant the right to mine and generate revenue. The crypto community likes to have their interest 'monetized' in the form of some type of fungible coin or token.
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There is a shop that opens over the Christmas holiday near our home. It opens at the mall for about 3 months, and then closes. It comes back every year. I talked to the guy and he said he runs a permanent shop up in Alaska, has a couple of seasonal locations in the Pacific Northwest. He had everything Alpaca, if memory serves. I bought the wife a couple items two years ago and was asking him because I was interested in the return/exchange policy.
I might be able to check the labels and look him up. Or just wait until he returns over the holidays. Are you in a rush? What specifically do you need?
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Wang, you might have a look at reconfiguring your service as an app on Moneypot. Lots of people here hold balances either on Moneypot or one of its gambling apps. I think Coinut would be an interesting add to their mix given they don't currently have any options offerings. You can find the official Moneypot thread in the Gambling section of Bitcointalk.
If you were a Moneypot app, and simplified your offering to only a dozen, or a few dozen binary strikes, I think you will find many current MP customers stopping in and 'placing a bet' from time to time. Moreover since MP caters to gamblers/gamers they will likely be most interested in the very short-term strikes, i.e. place lots of repeat orders.
Perhaps worth looking into ...
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Yes it is down for me too. I've only been able to login intermittently. Has the look/feel of a DDOS attack so I'm happy to be patient and let the MP guys upgrade their defenses. I'd rather wait for a fix then have them pay attackers off, because that only funds further attacks. |
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Hi Jackpot. I 'invest' more than I play, but I still dabble in the games. Only game I've played on your app so far is All-in Hold'em, but I'm interested in Sic Bo more for the cultural aspect. I've lived in China off and on and have visited a number of underground, 'illegal' gambling places there. (They are mostly private apartments or townhomes.) Oddly, I never encountered Sic Bo yet, but maybe I wasn't paying close enough attention. I saw LOTS of big stakes mahjong, and of course poker.
Anyway, thanks for combining these - much easier for everyone to keep track.
If I may: How has your 'action' been trending over the past ~3 months? In terms of wager growth, I'm guessing it is double digits month-over-month. (I'm talking $$ count, not bet count.)
Another question: Has BetterBets been in contact with other app owners about coordinated effort & incentives around Rubies?
Much thanks.
PS: Yes, pls moderate aggressively. We all know the trolling and sig spamming is out of control. Rest assured all of my sig income goes to the MP bankroll. ;-)
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Sometimes I travel to China on business. It is sort-of my own business and I have spent months there at a stretch. Even getting a 2-yr visa and renting an apartment and such. If I were to go back, do you know of any btc-related business opportunities, to source/sell goods or some such? I have cause/opportunity to visit lots of different types of businesses and manufacturers. If something was worth sources, I'm sure I could do it.
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Curious, has the magazine been discontinued?
A few months back I took the dog for a walk and was surprised to find a free kiosk outside a retail strip mall offering Bitcoin magazines. I took one and it sat on my desk for months. Whenever I went back I never saw another edition. So I'm guessing it is defunct and these are some type of collector's item?
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So basically you go up to the teller and just ask for a deposit slip and fill everything out according to the account name/number and that sort of thing?
Actually it was simpler than that. I had written the deposit details (name/institution/acct #) on a post-in and handed it to the teller and told her I wanted to make a deposit to that account. She fills out the deposit slip. Typically they have to look in their system for the account, or in the case of Credit Union, find the receiving CU. One teller asked me 'where,' as in what city/state was the bank and I just smiled at her and said 'I don't know.' She just smiled and said 'ok.' She couldn't care less why. Again my transaction was less than US$100 so I think these types of transactions have gotten quite common. I also learned that you can deposit to any Credit Union in the US from any other Credit Union in the US. I did that a couple times. Once I miss-wrote (scrolled it wrong) the name of some obscure CU and the teller and I spend about 4 minutes guessing what it might be before we figured it out. Again, she couldn't care less that I didn't know the recipient, nor what the funds were for. That transaction was probably in the $100-$400 range. So Bitquick stands between, i.e. escrows the transactions, alleviating security concerns. If Localbitcoins does that as well, my sole attention can be directed at transaction costs, which are significant. |
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Nice work.
Wtf is "red latina" network?
It is some kind of Argentinian network. At any Fortunejack table you will typically find ~90% of players are from Argentina. Lots of spanish 'jajaja' at the table, and SUPER fishy. |
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what is your poker site link? I tried to join your first site but now my username does not work.  good luck with the site but it needs a lot of work. These guys have been running bitlegit.com for a few weeks. You can see their beta at that address I think. First they started out with mrai - it's an alt coin, don't ask ... lol - and then moved to micro-stake freerolls that nobody showed up for. That said, I've heard they are honest and cashed out the few people who played there. I'm huge on Moneypot, so glad to see the first poker site link to MP. And Bitlegit repackaged as PlayChipsClub (?) runs some familiar software. We've all seen it at a number of other sites including the defunct Bitcoinpoker.gg, allincrypto.com, and a few others. So a lot of pluses here. My one concern is they seem underfunded. My impression is that they are not rolled for any type of promotion, so I'm not sure that linking with MP is going to be enough to bring the players. It will be interesting because I think the MP team has some considerable experience trying to run bitcoin poker sites. They might have some ideas to give this place a kick-start. If I'm not mistaken Ranlo had been invested in a few poker sites. I think he had a stake in Burn&Turn, which was bought from SatoshiPoker ... both of which I actually liked, even though B&T never got any cash games running. Anyway, I'd really like poker to work on MP, but I'm skeptical of this first effort. Perhaps once they get on MP and begin to get some basic traffic they might be able to attract new investors and be able to do some marketing. Anyway, that's my unsolicited 2 cents. :-) |
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Isn't that the best thing for professional poker playesr? Newbies that they can exploit? If it is a feeding frenzy for the sharks, they will go there.
I would much rather play on a platform filled with noobs that have no clue what they are doing, than one with a lot of regulars that follow strategy and play a according to pot odds etc.
I think the guy you were responding to was a bit confused. There is a Betcoin.ag that most of us refer to, and a Betcoin.tm that I've only heard sketchy things about. (I just visited the website for the first time and yeah, it looks like any cheap Chinese knock-off.) He specifically referenced Betcoin.tm ... hmmm. Newbies are great opponents when you go visit your nearby live poker room. It is a whole different matter when the newbies are 13 yo kids hyped up on who-knows-what who multi-account in one game and spew their porn-based vocab throughout chat. Yes they you can beat them up over the medium/long term, but it is like kicking stray dogs. Where's the fun in it? |
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Moneypot fan here. (I see the site is up again, btw.) Two questions if I may:
A. Do all the apps cease availability when the main moneypot site is down for a planned or unplanned outage? Gamblers who already had coins on a particular app, do they continue to bet? Or do you lose a lot of action with an outage like today?
B. Moneypot has lots of exciting opportunities. I'm wondering if you guys have explored incorporating one of the new prediction markets, like AUGUR, into MP in the form of an app? Basically you could provide wallet and transaction services to Augur participants. Just strikes me as (another) HUGE opportunity though a bit of a different animal compared to your current stable of casino games.
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I've also had uncomfortable situations at the bank where I've gotten question as to who I'm sending it too because I usually don't have an account at that particular bank... I just wish I had a bitcoin atm around where I live... would make life so much easier lol.
Be careful what you wish for. I looked up the procedure for using the bitcoin ATM nearest me, and the first step was to insert my passport! The second step was to step back and let the machine take my picture. What if I was having a bad hair day?!? Lol. Hence my early transactions with Bitquick. |
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