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August 06, 2015, 03:18:56 PM
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Responding to some items...

1)  My experience with firearms is limited.  Like so many of my interests, few of my family & friends share them.  I have only shot an AR-15 a couple of times, and I have never cleaned one.  Since my mechanical abilities are somewhat low, I bought an AK-47 clone (semi-auto).  I chose it because it's idiot-proof and easy to clean & field-strip.  I really like it, but I ought to look again at the AR-15, there are some real pluses.  My sidearm is the M-92 Beretta (9 mm), in stainless, the piece used by the US Army.  Both the 7.62 * 39 and 9 mm ammo are very abundant and easy to get.

2)  Ever since the flurry of the Bush / Paraguay ranch news, I have been unable to get much confirmed via the 'Net.  I remember (with a little glee, LOL) that many in Argentina were CONCERNED that the Bushes were going to set up shop next door...  Their property was supposed to be adjacent to (or near) a ranch owned by the Moonies.  The attraction, of course, to that part of Paraguay is the Guarani Aquifer, the world's largest.  Water, bitchez.

3)  Many people hate the cold (TPTB, OROBTC), many others hate the heat.  Climate is part of any Plan B calculations.

4)  As gringos, any consideration of living in rural areas ought to include the security / violence that TPTB has mentioned before.  Casual rural violence is a real problem.

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Plan B for us is Peru.  But, we have a business there, and kind in-laws.  We would be OK there.

Costa Rica is nice, I have been there several times (we even have a small bearing customer there).  C.R. is nice, but expensive.  Also totally under Uncle Sam's thumb (so don't be an IRS fugitive there).

But, were it not for my ties to Peru, I would be looking mostly at a remote-USA scenario.  South or Central Texas.  Wyoming/Montana (cold there).  Fewer people, ideally on a small ranch with sufficient water to eke by.  Buy some solar panels, maybe some cattle...
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Assuming impoverished an island nation might want to leech off the rich foreigners it issued citizenship to, might want to forget Dominica as a potential paid citizenship option:

http://jubileedebt.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/The-new-debt-trap_07.15.pdf#page=13

(Australia is at risk of private-sector debt crisis)

St. Kitts & Nevis (another paid citizenship option with no tax on worldwide income) has worse indicators than Dominica:

http://jubileedebt.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2015/07/The-new-debt-trap_07.15.pdf#page=35

https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/country-data/saint-kitts-and-nevis-gdp-country-report

http://www.indexmundi.com/saint_kitts_and_nevis/current_account_balance.html

Ditto Antigua & Barbuda:

http://www.indexmundi.com/antigua_and_barbuda/current_account_balance.html

https://www.gfmag.com/global-data/country-data/antigua-and-barbuda-gdp-country-report

http://premieroffshore.com/10-best-second-passports-and-citizenship-by-investment-programs/

(and also note how these island nations' GDP imploded in the 2008 - 2010 contagion)

Edit: renunciation is possible:

http://www.dominica.gov.dm/services/how-do-i-renounce-citizenship-of-the-commonwealth-of-dominica

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August 06, 2015, 08:15:48 PM
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TBTB, what is your opinion about Canada as an exit possibility ?

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P.S. Estonia and Russia appear to have lax firearm rules, if those cultures and environments are your cup of tea. Rpietila's castle is in Estonia, so you could hook up with him.

Wow, thank you TBTB. That is an excellent posting, the last part made me chuckle a bit. Unfortunately I am stuck in Europe for the next few years, and it won't be easy to find work for my profession everywhere in the world. (Aerospace engineering with specialisation in rocket science)

 
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August 06, 2015, 08:50:17 PM
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In light of my prior post, I want to point out that all nations of the world (except the USA) do not tax citizens on world wide income when they reside outside their country of citizenship:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/International_taxation

And this was a primary reason many have wanted to drop their USA citizenship. Why pay taxes for services you are not receiving, e.g. not using the roads of the USA, etc.. There is an exclusion though up to roughly $100,000 in income per year:

http://www.liferemotely.com/work-while-traveling/managing-a-business/65-paying-taxes-in-your-home-country-when-you-arent-living-there

I believe the EU will end up copying the USA model, because the EU is so bankrupt (the southern contagion will eventually spread north), the youth must flee abroad to find opportunity, and those with wealth can reside outside their home country (e.g. UK citizens residing in Spain or vice versa) to avoid taxation. So I believe eventually at least the EU will consolidate taxation across Europe and probably also in conjunction with UK and USA also (and perhaps Australia and NZ as well), so that Europeons can't escape taxation. That seems inevitable to me.

Besides the island economic citizenship programs which do not require residency nor any language tests (and ignoring the very expensive programs in the USA and EU), the quickest residency based citizenship opportunities are Peru (2 years), Paraguay (3 years), and Argentina (2 - 3 years). Uruguay is also 3 years if you are married. I'm ignoring the other countries in S.A. as being far too socialist or other problems. Argentine citizenship isn't desirable because it has a 1.25% annual global wealth tax. Peru requires 6 months physical presence every year of the 2 years waiting period. Paraguay doesn't require physical presence but will need to show ties and commitment to the country. All require passing Spanish language tests. Argentina and Paraguay have the best economic indicators (see the PDF I linked in prior post).

http://tdvpassports.com/

As I've thought more about my situation, the USA's $100,000 a year income tax exemption for foreign residents is probably sufficient for me. Thus my main goal for a 2nd passport would just to be sure I could always travel no matter what the restrictions appeared on my USA passport (either from the USA or from other countries). Also the option to renounce the USA citizenship if ever I had a great need such as for waiting to declare capital gains or income > $100,000 per annum. Thus given Dominica citizenship can be renounced, it appears to be the ideal choice if I have sufficient funds ($100,000).

If I do anything in S.A., it would be as a tourist and not resident so I don't have to pay taxes on my foreign income to them. Chile however does apparently offer that 3 year tax holiday for permanent residents.

Philippines does not tax foreign income for foreigner residents. So feel free to avail of the Philippine's retirement visa. But there is really no need for that expense any more since you can get nearly the same rights using 6 month tourist visa extensions staying up to 3 years before need to exit for a day.

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I think a secondary residency is now my highest priority, they may start making it harder to get if they begin to detect a mass exodus from the west.

Residency is not the same as citizenship. Australia still controls you to some extent while you have only 1 passport. I suppose residency could give you some ability to resist for example if Australia canceled your passport, depending where that residency was, e.g. Brazil or Chile might protect you more than Philippines.

Or did you mean 2nd citizenship?

Please see my post in the MA thread about difference in cultures.

I am trying to figure this out for my own goals as well.

I mean secondary citizenship, but there doesn't appear to be any streamlined way to acquire it unless you're a millionaire.

South America seems to be the easiest, but I expect it will take a while even after fulfilling the financial requirements.

It is easy for me to find work wherever I  go, perhaps a South American chicken hut is what I will have to aim for by 2016.

I am looking at Uruguay, there seems to be less fucking around with translated documents??
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I think a secondary residency is now my highest priority, they may start making it harder to get if they begin to detect a mass exodus from the west.

Residency is not the same as citizenship. Australia still controls you to some extent while you have only 1 passport. I suppose residency could give you some ability to resist for example if Australia canceled your passport, depending where that residency was, e.g. Brazil or Chile might protect you more than Philippines.

Or did you mean 2nd citizenship?

Please see my post in the MA thread about difference in cultures.

I am trying to figure this out for my own goals as well.

I mean secondary citizenship, but there doesn't appear to be any streamlined way to acquire it unless you're a millionaire.

South America seems to be the easiest, but I expect it will take a while even after fulfilling the financial requirements.

It is easy for me to find work wherever I  go, perhaps a South American chicken hut is what I will have to aim for by 2016.

I am looking at Uruguay, there seems to be less fucking around with translated documents??

Dominica is $235,000 for you and your family. Other than that, your options are to go for residency and comply with all the requirements for language and actual commitment to the live in the country you chose. Since you are married, I agree Uruguay may be best. You'd probably find more work there, as it is wealthier than Paraguay. And it has visa-free entry to Australia, so you could still return home even after you had renounced your Aussie citizenship.

But Uruguay is also expensive to live in. I don't know all the details of your situation, but you might be wise to lower your expenses for a while in Philippines first and let the global economy collapse in 2016 so then Uruguay will get less expensive (but jobs will also reduce).

I'd favor Paraguay because I wouldn't be including a wife, so Uruguay would be a 5 year wait for citizenship a single man (versus 3 years for a married couple). Note it is only 2 years in Peru. But I hope I could afford Dominica or St. Kitts as that would be more efficient. I'll work hard and try to make it happen for myself.

If you have $10,000 to invest in gold and crypto in Spring 2016, then within a year or so, you should be able to get at least double or triple on that. Hopefully you'll also be lucky enough to buy a disruptive crypto that perhaps has some better gains. So maybe you could get lucky and a small investment might turn into enough funds to do your relocation to Uruguay if you decide to go that route.

My point is try to maximize the $$ you will have available to invest in Spring 2016. That is going to be your big chance to become a millionaire, if you have sufficient funds to invest in private assets on the coming Spring low.

And then make sure you are outside of Australia for more than 6 months in the tax year when you will take gains on your investments, so you won't be liable for taxes to Australia. If you are in Philippines or Uruguay, they won't take you on that. Uruguay gives new residents a 5 year tax holiday. And Philippines never taxes foreigners who are residing in the Philippines.

You could try contacting these guys. They are affiliated with Doug Casey:

http://tdvpassports.com/

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I mean secondary citizenship, but there doesn't appear to be any streamlined way to acquire it unless you're a millionaire.


If you should reside within the (dark) grey circle below (note: an acute viewing angle may help you discern dark grey on black), merely claim Great Empire of Earth as your "country" of residence: its law might insulate you against that of your national government.



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TPTB and trollercoaster

I do NOT know the rules re Peru or any of the others.  But, I can offer advice on practicality of living in LatAm:

First, it is important to be able to speak Spanish!  You would be very isolated without it.

Second, anyone interested in a country should visit it for a minimum of EIGHT WEEKS!  Eat the food.  Meet the lawyers.  Etc.

I would *think* that you should either HAVE money (say $50,000 or more in CA$H, etc.) OR have a really good skill-set that they would need.

Let me know (PM or email) if either of you plan a trip to Peru, and we can arrange to have you picked up at the airport.
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Let me know (PM or email) if either of you plan a trip to Peru, and we can arrange to have you picked up at the airport.

Thank you for the offer of hospitality. Reciprocally if you come to Davao.

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TPTB and trollercoaster

I do NOT know the rules re Peru or any of the others.  But, I can offer advice on practicality of living in LatAm:

First, it is important to be able to speak Spanish!  You would be very isolated without it.

Second, anyone interested in a country should visit it for a minimum of EIGHT WEEKS!  Eat the food.  Meet the lawyers.  Etc.

I would *think* that you should either HAVE money (say $50,000 or more in CA$H, etc.) OR have a really good skill-set that they would need.

Let me know (PM or email) if either of you plan a trip to Peru, and we can arrange to have you picked up at the airport.

I will likely be able to scrape up 50K worth of cash, and I do have valuable mechanical and electrical knowledge which I am able to use to start my own business with minimal investment, I can only see this as being a step forward already.
To start such a business in OZ is unprofitable due to the heavy handed fisting I would recieve from the Tax man, and constantly rising living expenses (tied to taxation) making it a constant struggle to get ahead here.

In other words I am trapped in the NWO system here.
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To start such a business in OZ is unprofitable due to the heavy handed fisting I would recieve from the Tax man, and constantly rising living expenses (tied to taxation) making it a constant struggle to get ahead here.

If "taxation" (trollercoaster) wasn't raising your living expenses, insatiable profit margins would be.

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In other words I am trapped in the NWO system here.

Where—? Great Empire

Yes
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Yes

Did your national government defy imperial law? (If so, did you file criminal charges against it under imperial law?)

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I will likely be able to scrape up 50K worth of cash, and I do have valuable mechanical and electrical knowledge...

Then you are valuable to me.

Also no need to get your wife and kids Uruguay citizenship. And you don't want to make your kids citizens of Uruguay because there is mandatory military service for every young adult citizen of any S.A. nation.

Instead, your wife and kids can easily apply for dual citizenship of the Philippines. Thus they will have 2nd passports and thus can resist any dictates of the Australian government. As for yourself (not your wife and kids), shoot for the Dominica citizenship for $100,000 (or roughly $135,000 complete with all attorney's fees). Then you don't need to hassle with Spanish language tests nor the 3 year wait. Or if you prefer, then Paraguay since you don't need to reside there for the 3 year wait (you could do both, residency in Paraguay to get the clock ticking and shoot for Dominica). Peru is only 2 years but you must reside there 6 months a year. I don't particularly want to reside in Peru, but I might check it out.

Since your wife and kids have Aussie passports, then you can get them into an S.A. country. Later if ever they had to renounce their Aussie citizenships (hopefully not!), you could get them a visa, because they'd already have established themselves in S.A..

If you can amass even $25,000 to invest by Spring 2016, then you should be able to reach that $135,000 goal by 2017 or 2018. If you can align yourself with wealthier expats to continue to earn, perhaps you can reach that goal sooner, maybe by late 2016 or early 2017. Hold your cash in $usd not Aussie dollars if you can.

If you have valuable mechanical and electrical knowledge, then I suspect you can easily earn money on these S.A. ranches, because importing parts is so expensive so it is much better to repair them. I also have some mechanical and electrical knowledge, but I can't do everything (I'm already overloaded with TODO list and I will need to stop commenting here on this forum). Also if you can be a mechanic for vehicles that is another plus (I used to do it, but haven't since my 20s). I am more valuable as a programmer.

You can imagine we will need our own backup solar or micro hydopower system for backup electricity. Wells and water pumps. Etc.. All sorts of stuff that requires maintenance. Even the weapons need to be cleaned and tested periodically.

Also if I can attain wealth again (which is likely), I would be very much willing to pay a salary for a male who would be a maintenance man and security manager for any ranch I might purchase or rent. And very likely we would find other wealthy expats who want to join in our ranch and help share costs. If we live on a ranch in Argentina for example, we do not need to become residents and subjected to their tax system. We can stay there as tourists indefinitely even while owning and developing a ranch if we so choose. And if we have 2nd passports, it is very unlikely our 5 Eyes country can get us sent home. We have several last resort options at that point:

  • renounce the 5 Eyes citizenship if ever it becomes necessary (hopefully not)
  • renounce both the 5 Eyes and the Dominica citizenship and fall under the protection of the UN Convention for Stateless Persons (host country can not kick us out)
  • give birth to a child on S.A. soil, thus the child becomes an immediate citizen and the parents are also so protected against deportation and can apply for immediate citizenship

With a few like minded expats and our families, we can easily set up a paradise in one of these S.A. countries or even a Pacific island and ride out the coming bad years and properly defend it. I get along well with the sarcasm and joking of the Aussies. I have an Australian friend I've known from my Manila travails in the early 1990s.

For perimeter early warning system we can set up a fenced corridor to keep out animals and run laser sensors which detect any intruder crossing the path. Thus we can easily be warned and respond to an intruder. Then we need only a few guys armed with AR-15 to deter any intruders. Better also is a tower with a sniper's rifle, scope, and night vision, and warning shots to the lower extremities using rubber bullets. Perhaps also an escape vehicle that has been bullet proofed. These days you bullet proof with a light weight material:

http://www.foxnews.com/leisure/2013/10/01/bulletproof-chevrolet-camaro-provides-performance-and-protection/

http://www.texasarmoring.com/armored_vehicle_bulletproofing_materials.html

trollercoaster, you simply need to become friends with wealthy who own a ranch. Perhaps you could even do that now in Australia and avoid needing to create a business. And/or you can come (or send your wife and kids to) Philippines to work on their dual citizenship paperwork.

As for education for your kids, sounds like we have a community need if we have several expats and their families. Maybe we need our own small school and then we can dictate the education. Would be great if one of the wives is an elementary school teacher or has the ability to be one. She can teach the other females to help out. By the time they reach middle school or high school, we will have found suitable options.

What you think?

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But only 250.000(sic!) adresses are active ... https://blockchain.info/charts/n-unique-addresses. In january the number dropped to 116.000.

I don't understand why upthread comments say that you are only quoting data for one wallet. The above data is for all addresses on the block chain. Duh!    Roll Eyes

I think it is very likely that Bitcoin adoption has stalled.

And it is very likely that active use is much less than a million users.

There are likely a million+ users who hold balances though.

I wouldn't worry about it. We are heading into a low price below $100 for Spring 2016, because the $usd is coming so strong due to the contagion in Europe, China, and developing markets. Commodities are declining.

Next year we will bottom and see the interest in private assets grow again, but it will be driven more by anti-government sentiment (due to expropriation in the EU) and thus anonymous coins will receive much more interest than Bitcoin.

Hi klee. Thanks for that.

however, i was hoping for a chart resembling this, with gold charted in.



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I'm down with this, my kids do not have a bright future here.

Sorry adding bits as I move around, my kids have inherited their filipino citizenship as mum was one when they were born, my wife will need to re-acquire hers, since she has since become an Ozzie.
 
I will need to check this out so I am more certain.
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I'm down with this, my kids do not have a bright future here.

Sorry adding bits as I move around, my kids have inherited their filipino citizenship as mum was one when they were born, my wife will need to re-acquire hers, since she has since become an Ozzie.
 
I will need to check this out so I am more certain.

It is a very easy process. Direct her to the DFA office when she arrives in the Philippines. In Davao, it is at the 3rd floor of the SM mall in Ecoland (not the SM Premiere in Lanang on other side of town from me). All three of them will be dual citizens and your wife can get Philippine passports for them. Very inexpensive.

I did this along with my ex and kids. So I have done it.

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August 08, 2015, 03:42:26 AM
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Edit: what I am trying to accomplish is that we can get economies-of-scale on fungible money and knowledge internet on the internet (the large community) while adding decentralization (end-to-end principle) and anonymity, so that we have the economies-of-scale of large community while also enabling our local community to resist the subjugation of degrees-of-freedom by the power vacuum of the collective. I believe if we can achieve this, we will have a glorious Knowledge Age. Whether I am correct or not, it is this ideal that is pushing me to work so hard at age 50. Hope some people will join if I can get something tangible completed.

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August 08, 2015, 04:59:11 AM
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https://www.dollarvigilante.com/blog/2015/02/09/tsa-demands-internal-passport-for-domestic-travel.html
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August 08, 2015, 06:25:23 AM
Last edit: August 08, 2015, 07:03:08 AM by TPTB_need_war
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If readers don't think this shit is real, they are delusional. That crap was already starting when I was last in Texas in 2006.

Also ranchers lose their ranch when they shoot illegals on their property. They need a valid self-defense argument to shoot to deter the destruction to their fences and theft of property.

The writing is on the wall. I'd rather be in a place where the government is not strong. The USA, Australia (and other G7 or 5 Eyes), China, and Russia are very strong governments. Note Chile spends a large % of GDP on military and police. Argentina not. Might get overrun in world war as did the weak Philippines in WW2. I'll take my chances on that with mountains and nooks and crannies, and first priority is to remove the BIG RED WHITE & BLUE DICK from my asshole.

Some Japanese soldier was hiding in the mountains of the island of Mindoro (not Mindanao) for decades after the war. I don't know if you could do that as easily now. The Philippines' jungles have been denuded and so many roads and population density is much higher. But the Amazon jungle or the Andes mountains, you have a chance...if ever comes to that...

...in that case your best friend should be an Aboriginal.


Edit: I bet many readers (especially those from Asia and Europe) will view the video at the linked article I quoted, and ask "what is the big deal  Huh". They are accustomed to complying with authority for the smooth operation and peace of the society. Especially most females will really think we are nutcases for rejecting social authority.

That is because these people ignore the repeating history of mankind which is this ALWAYS devolves to megadeath. I challenge anyone to find an example where submission to authority in a society did not eventually involve megadeath for that society. Over at esr.ibiblio.org, the user "Winter" claimed Holland was the exception with hundreds of years without megadeath. Ahem. Wasn't Anne Frank hiding in Amsterdam, Holland her family when was taken away to the death camps.

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