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August 16, 2015, 03:31:20 PM
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Once you put unbreakable crypto technologies out in open source, TPTB can possibly filter one protocol but a 1000 others will sprout, because where there is a demand supply will go. (And with steganography and perhaps alternative wireless networks, they may not be able to filter)

The smart fork would enable spending the coins from the destroyed protocol into the new protocol, so it is a continuation of the preexisting value and distribution. TPTB can then play Whack-A-Mole.



The more the government stomps on commerce, the more demand for those technologies.

I don't think they can break the core math quickly. And we'll always be driving ahead towards stronger math. Our community hasn't been organized. We haven't been funding mathematicians.

My goal was to get the snowball rolling downhill. I sense the past tense is accurate now.

Edit: TPTB rely on something not being too popular or co-opting the popular movements. How can they convince the people they are stomping on to prefer their walled gardens and jails? The count on being able to divide-and-conquer or pick off a few from the herd at a time, so the rest of the herd doesn't react. But if you do decentralization very well, then any individual can effect his own choice. One problem with Bitcoin from my view, has been we rely so heavily on network miners being not co-opted and thus the battle over BitcoinXT (aka GavinCoin).

In the designer drug game (continuing metaphor), even if the state could outlaw drugs as quickly as a drug was presented to them, you could release 3d printer plans for new drugs as soon as the drug was outlawed and even have chemists (at home and of their own volition) modifying the drugs as they get the plans. The whole thing should and could be made effectively automated+autonomous+rigorously-modified and resistant to day-late-dollar-short countermeasures.

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August 16, 2015, 03:49:36 PM
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That is the end-to-end principle of Knowledge Age networking. Your example in spades.

They need the tools to communicate and trade, i.e. anonymous internet and anonymous money. They need both. Economies-of-scale in knowledge don't work if you can only exchange with your physical neighbors.

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August 16, 2015, 05:11:16 PM
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Excellent observation and comments re designer drugs and knowledge.

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Now might be the time for me to observe that I cannot find this kind of thinking at any other forum I belong to (Zero Hedge and PMBug).  High caliber thinking about world financial topics on a Bitcoin website.  Bitcoin must have a "High IQ" set of users and fan base...
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August 16, 2015, 05:12:58 PM
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Edit: We as a community are fighting for a mutual goal against a very well funded TPTB who control mass media and thus have annointed Bitcoin because they know they can control Bitcoin via its centralized mining and lack of anonymity. I posit we are wasting our resources by throwing our money into hardware and electricity when we could be using our resources to fund the developments for economies-of-scale needed to overcome.

Posted it again for reference, bolded it and red it out. I don't want to be misunderstood; I *FULLY* agree. The real question remains though; what happens when they (TPTB) notice? What's the countermeasures such an initiative should introduce to maintain its integrity; and most importantly, how could one rule out a (future) "chief software engineer" retaliate and alter a piece of code making a fork and dreadout the project together with the whole community?

PS: Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental (or not).

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August 16, 2015, 05:16:46 PM
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generalizethis and TPTB

Excellent observation and comments re designer drugs and knowledge.

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Now might be the time for me to observe that I cannot find this kind of thinking at any other forum I belong to (Zero Hedge and PMBug).  High caliber thinking about world financial topics on a Bitcoin website.  Bitcoin must have a "High IQ" set of users and fan base...

Many of us have convinced everybody we're geniuses. I assure you; this is a trick. We're just egotistical fools but we're very good at manipulating people. That's all.

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August 16, 2015, 06:06:22 PM
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generalizethis and TPTB

Excellent observation and comments re designer drugs and knowledge.

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Now might be the time for me to observe that I cannot find this kind of thinking at any other forum I belong to (Zero Hedge and PMBug).  High caliber thinking about world financial topics on a Bitcoin website.  Bitcoin must have a "High IQ" set of users and fan base...

Many of us have convinced everybody we're geniuses. I assure you; this is a trick. We're just egotistical fools but we're very good at manipulating people. That's all.

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August 16, 2015, 07:45:13 PM
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what happens when they (TPTB) notice? What's the countermeasures such an initiative should introduce to maintain its integrity; and most importantly, how could one rule out a (future) "chief software engineer" retaliate and alter a piece of code making a fork and dreadout the project together with the whole community?

Critical code paths need to be highly scrutinized on any change. After the code is stabilized, the community should be alerted when a change is made to the so identified "critical paths".

Checksums need to be enforced with a block chain to create a Web of Trust.

Being open source, you can't kill it. You can Whack-A-Mole one protocol but another protocol pops up instantly. When the economy becomes valuable then hackers will be there to keep it running. Protocol tweaks can be made independent of critical paths.

There are many defenses, but the question is do we as a community pool the resources to get 'er done. That has been my point all along as to why I was dissatisfied. We are not moving fast enough with our immense resources as a community.

The sooner it is not hinged on one person, the better. Looks like in private it is becoming dehinged from me as we speak which a major development. I suppose it was necessary for me to speak recently. But I hope y'all understand I like to go back to being just the many names of AnonyMint.

Note even compromised compilers can be defended against:

https://www.schneier.com/blog/archives/2006/01/countering_trus.html

In terms of return on investment for the community, the key to scaling beyond bitcointalk, crypto, and dark markets is to enable new popular markets that can't be serviced by Bitcoin nor credit cards nor existing altcoins.

PS: Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental (or not).

Lol can I at least finish my beer first.

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August 16, 2015, 08:20:28 PM
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PS: Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental (or not).

Lol can I at least finish my beer first.

You're one of the very few in here who can sense my taste of humor. I'm having a beer too. Here's to your idea's success then!
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That goes for you too Vokain! Wink
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August 17, 2015, 12:48:09 AM
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https://www.gov.uk/government/news/smoking-in-vehicles
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August 17, 2015, 09:45:24 AM
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I really need to discipline myself to go quiet. If y'all don't hear from me, it just means I am being productive. Also I'd prefer to see the community doing more talking. I've dominated the discussion too much lately and that is embarrassing for me (was necessary to reach my goal of getting my ideas for innovations moving forward with sufficient economy-of-scale ... apologies).

I am posting this in multiple threads where it is relevant because I think I achieved a good summary of the overview of what I think is the future.

Note I observe a correction that the USA won't breakup in our lifetimes. The computer model projection is for a breakup within 83 years from now. Instead we will enter a morass of a declining West. There will be a mixed bag of struggles, and society will chaotic as the dying Industrial Age is at odds with the fledgling individually autonomous Knowledge Age:


That chart reflects speculator expectations for the near-term. It does not reflect speculator expectations for the medium-term. Thus the chart does not convey the information that the northern European banks are highly leveraged to the PIIGS sovereign debt crisis, and so if the PIIGS default then the German banks will need a public bailout. Will the bailout come from the Germans alone or will the debt problem of the EU be consolidated onto a federalized EU with new taxation powers for the EU destroying national sovereignty. For me this isn't even a question. It is clear why this crisis was manufactured by TPTB.

Back on the point of whether we will see the End of Government. No. TPTB (the capitalist network that rules the dying Industrial Age) is consolidating economies-of-scale because the Industrial Age is dying. So the large fish must eat the smaller fish in order to survive.

The people are fooled and believe they need the Industrial Age socialism model and are clinging to that, thus they will ride this NWO down into its top-down centralized, eugenics destiny with the USA declining from April 2013 at its 224-year peak (when Edward Snowden made his final plans to expose the NSA) to an eventual breakup by the 309th year of its cycle.

So no end of government for the masses. Yet many people will adopt the individually autonomous Knowledge Age and break free from that morass much sooner. That is why there will be a mixed outcome, initially with a waterfall collapse outside the USA, then with a long-term declining West and a rising East after 2020. However that East will be much more totalitarian (top-down obedient) that we were accustomed to in the West (note my comment on the linked page).


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August 17, 2015, 10:39:04 AM
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Many people will approve. I actually didn't like that my mother and step father smoked in the car.

Yet I see the creeping attack on our individual freedoms, using children as a weapon against the parents.

Perhaps this will increase the demand for convertible top cars.

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August 17, 2015, 10:53:24 AM
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$1000 dollar currency notes ($1 = 0.98 franc):

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35977

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August 17, 2015, 12:19:09 PM
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$1000 dollar currency notes ($1 = 0.98 franc):

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35977

Awesome! Let's see how could the 1/10 rule of the Bank's fiat work now; now I'm thinking of it, this might actually render the Banking System obsolete (at least for a while)! Let's call Draghi to make another stress test, this time at the Swiss Banks! Hilarious!

It's coming fast gentlemen. Cool

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August 17, 2015, 01:23:21 PM
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$1000 dollar currency notes ($1 = 0.98 franc):

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35977

Potentially useful info for those of us in Europe for sure.




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August 17, 2015, 01:36:11 PM
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$1000 dollar currency notes ($1 = 0.98 franc):

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35977

Potentially useful info for those of us in Europe for sure.

Just don't forget that European countries have routinely canceled their currencies. But I don't know if Switzerland ever did.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/17270

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/21730

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/31060

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$1000 dollar currency notes ($1 = 0.98 franc):

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/35977

Potentially useful info for those of us in Europe for sure.

Just don't forget that European countries have routinely canceled their currencies. But I don't know if Switzerland ever did.

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/17270

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/21730

http://www.armstrongeconomics.com/archives/31060

I have reasons to believe that if TPTB succeed to their plan in federalizing EU, Switzerland has great interest into becoming their "Bank Nation". Besides, that's what it was in the first place all these years, by keeping their "helpful" monetary policy towards Euro. A monetary totalitarianism as the one that's been constructed the last couple of decades within the EU cannot leave Switzerland out for many reasons. The Migration policy that's being introduced right now will eventually follow the Dubai practices, (ie: marking the immigrants like animals, and monitoring them via electronic devices cause "possible terrorists"), suits them fine in order to keep their "living standards".

I'm seriously thinking if this is a nice place to live if those things come true... Lips sealed

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August 17, 2015, 04:27:57 PM
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the current centralized financial policy does bring
opportunities for corruption in certain countries, my friend

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August 17, 2015, 05:00:34 PM
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the current centralized financial policy does bring
opportunities for corruption in certain countries, my friend

Exactly! That's why Klee and I think that centralizing BTC is practically replacing fiat with it! Some might say that BTC is already centralized; sure, but it has a unique feature "YOU CAN'T PRINT MORE"! TPTB certainly know this much and probably they're en route incorporating as a global reserve currency as we speak.

Combine all these with the CIA meeting, N.Y. regulation, Gemini beginning... and you can connect the dots easily. Don't get me wrong, there's a plus in this. The "ship" will have the same captain... Roll Eyes

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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sybil_attack#Example

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A notable Sybil attack (in conjunction with a traffic confirmation attack) was launched against the Tor anonymity network for several months in 2014 by unknown perpetrators. Many in the network security community suspect the NSA/CIA to be responsible for the attack. It is notable that during this time period an investigation was ongoing to de-anonymize Tor users to find the administrators of the Silk Road website.

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August 17, 2015, 10:42:28 PM
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ATM CryptoKingdom gold may make more sense than actual gold. VR worlds are on the rise as the physical world can't hide its costs in blood, sweat and tears. Some woman dangles a diamond in front of me and all I see is a CIA propped warlord, death squads and Nicholas Cage asking, "How do we arm the other 11?"

Despite, however, "the physical world . . . costs in blood, sweat and tears" (generalizethis), one would venture to acquire a "emi-/precious [material]" (username18333).

If "knowledge" (TPTB_need_war et al) should bear similar "costs" (generalizethis), should one so venture the acquisition thereof?

Escape the plutocrats’ zanpakutō, Flower in the Mirror, Moon on the Water: brave “the ascent which is rough and steep” (Plato).
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