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August 14, 2015, 11:22:22 PM
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So thus the proposed ICO method has been abandoned. There is an obviously simple solution. I don't think it is necessary to state it.

Does that "obviously simple solution" (TPTB_need_war) solve the 3-Generals Problem and ensure that its distribution does not serve plutocracy (i.e., "The Powers That Be")?

Escape the plutocrats’ zanpakutō, Flower in the Mirror, Moon on the Water: brave “the ascent which is rough and steep” (Plato).
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August 14, 2015, 11:29:17 PM
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It is all over for Bitcoin.

Can't wait for this, haha


As long as it doesn't involve using Bitcoins for fundraising. That would be hypocritical.

Any significantly advanced cryptocurrency is indistinguishable from Ponzi Tulips.
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August 14, 2015, 11:38:31 PM
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As long as it doesn't involve using Bitcoins for fundraising. That would be hypocritical.

It is not "hypocritical" (cbeast) to have an adversary "fall on his own sword."

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August 14, 2015, 11:39:19 PM
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It is all over for Bitcoin.

Can't wait for this, haha


As long as it doesn't involve using Bitcoins for fundraising. That would be hypocritical.

bitcoin has it's purpose to serve as a gateway to superior coins, but it's not a solution to the problems we face as the fanboys have been boastfully shouting about for the last six years.
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August 14, 2015, 11:45:00 PM
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It is all over for Bitcoin.

Can't wait for this, haha


As long as it doesn't involve using Bitcoins for fundraising. That would be hypocritical.

bitcoin has it's purpose to serve as a gateway to superior coins, but it's not a solution to the problems we face as the fanboys have been boastfully shouting about for the last six years.
I agree with this statement, however I am not sure what exactly a superior coin would look like. There are things Bitcoin lacks when it comes to anonymity, but it seems pretty sound aside from that, as we currently understand the technology.

Any ideas what Bitcoin lacks that future coins could do?
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August 15, 2015, 12:12:24 AM
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TPTB/Anonymint has covered buttcoins flaws in great detail, I recommend you to read his posts or wait for the whitepaper, these will answer your questions regarding it's failures re: anonymity, centralization, scaling & vulnerabilities etc, better than I could.
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August 15, 2015, 12:17:36 AM
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TPTB/Anonymint has covered buttcoins flaws in great detail, I recommend you to read his posts or wait for the whitepaper, these will answer your questions regarding it's failures re: anonymity, centralization, scaling & vulnerabilities etc, better than I could.
I haven't had the time to read their full posts yet, but I will definitely make sure I get around to going through them, based on your recommendation.
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August 15, 2015, 12:28:00 AM
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I agree with this statement, however I am not sure what exactly a superior coin would look like. There are things Bitcoin lacks when it comes to anonymity, but it seems pretty sound aside from that, as we currently understand the technology.

Any ideas what Bitcoin lacks that future coins could do?

Bitcoin lacks anything that would make Average Joe want to use it imo. In addition to technical prowess, a superior coin would have to be actually useful for it to have a chance to dethrone Bitcoin. Trading them for Dogecoins or paying for coffee is not useful.
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August 15, 2015, 02:23:26 AM
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I agree with this statement, however I am not sure what exactly a superior coin would look like. There are things Bitcoin lacks when it comes to anonymity, but it seems pretty sound aside from that, as we currently understand the technology.

Any ideas what Bitcoin lacks that future coins could do?

Bitcoin lacks anything that would make Average Joe want to use it imo. In addition to technical prowess, a superior coin would have to be actually useful for it to have a chance to dethrone Bitcoin. Trading them for Dogecoins or paying for coffee is not useful.


(A cursory review of "the last posts of [TPTB_need_war]" [BitcoinTalk] was sufficient to locate those statements cited below.)

I emphatically disagree with the implied necessity of retail and tangible items purchasing (tangible items ordered online are relevant). Do you have any concept of how many more virtual microtransactions are done daily, many of which are monetized with an advertising model that is dying? Others are not monetized or monetized with a reputation and gift economy model.

You are incredibly stuck in the old world economy. You do not understand what is really happening. Sorry smooth is correct. I can not teach you with words. You will have to watch all your assumptions fail. I am not asserting smooth agrees with my assumptions (he doesn't even entirely know what I am up to).

Edit: the tangible economy is being destroyed as we speak by the coming Economic Totalitarianism. It is going to absolutely implode. People are going to need to do virtual commerce and be able to pay each other anonymously over the internet in order to prosper in the face of the State taxing and expropriating everything to death. The bankrupt socialist States of the West are driving the global economy into the abyss. You are focused on the dying portion of the economy. It is the virtual Knowledge Age that is growing much faster and will continue to grow.

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August 15, 2015, 02:51:16 AM
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4b) Where assets like BTC, "alts", physical gold, foreign real estate, "Plan B", etc. may fit in...



Maybe my idea  will not be original ( even I am sure that will not be) but I want to say the mine and I want that my voice can be hear together with the others that might have my thoughts). There no secure place to put bitcoin or other altcoins (for the value they can have) except in our wallets. Every place out of those is not sure because the world is full with scammers who are ready right over the corner to steal those. So take those in our wallets, control from time to time and save fiat money to buy other for the times to come. The times when bitcoin will have real value and can be used in the right way into the real economy.
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Apologies I didn't mean to imply that BTC will disappear or even that it will become the smaller market cap any time soon. I just mean that for what we need in the Knowledge Age, BTC is lacking those aspects trollercoaster enumerated. Note I havent engaged in private conversations with trollercoaster about details of my work.

There is one aspect that is still not solved for crypto-currency which is filtering of the protocol. The next TODO will be steganography and also figuring out how to keep the block chain online with HAM and shortwave radio should that become necessary.

After selling some coins, we can fund the research & development needed on those remaining items. That is one reason we should not do a mining launch and then throw away all your money into hardware and electricity, when instead we can pool your money and put it towards solving all our needs. I have a lot of other ideas for existing and new projects that need funding that appeal to our common goals and interests. We just need to make sure that when we will sell coins that we do on an open market exchange and that we document where all the money is being spent (no way to repay a loan in order to cheat if you spend the money received), so it is provable that the controlling entity (which won't be me!) isn't hoarding coins. I can not be a controlling entity due to SEC regulations and I am a USA citizen. I will have to be paid by such an entity for my services.

I hope everyone understands I expect to be paid very well so I can retire. That means perhaps up to 1% of the coins (of course some spent over time to fund my lifestyle thus not 1% forever, but also not dumped on the market all at once or even when the coin is young). I've worked tirelessly nearly 18 x 7 on this for the past 2.5 years self-funding myself (except for roughly BTC15-20 I received from rpietila, smooth, and jl777 in 2014 and big thanks to them) and depleting my savings. But angel investors would take more than that any way, so that is why I wanted to make sure the angel investment gets spread around so that no one can dominate the markets early on.

One thing that can be done for anyone who attains 1% of the coin supply in this early vestment period is to lock coins for a period of time, even with staggered times they become tradable, so they can't be all dumped onto the exchanges all at once.

The other challenge faced is trying to launch a coin into a down market and the crypto community losing its fever pitch to buy altcoins. Any way, I think 4 - 6 months means launch as crypto is bottoming if you believe Armstrong's model that the low for gold will be March or April 2016.

For angel investors, they get to lock in their stake in dollars now while BTC is still loitering near $300. I do think we have a bounce in BTC coming right about now and hopefully one more time up to $325 so you all get one more chance to divest BTC before the collapse below $150 (if I am correct that BTC will follow gold down as both being private assets).

Also we have the GavinCoin threat (promise?) to fork Bitcoin in March, so someone pointed out to me in private that this might contribute to a selloff in BTC. My thought is to stand on the sidelines until the GavinCoin crap is sorted out. Others look at it as a chance to own coins in two forks and sell in one or both forks. I don't have an opinion on that. Haven't studied what can happen.

This GavinCoin scenario is opening the door for an innovative altcoin to step up. But remember the mass media will probably always favor BTC so don't expect any altcoin that seriously challenges BTC on tech to get media coverage. Big media might even have a policy of blackout on it. Note I have a connection in the media that writes often about computer security and crypto currencies. So I think I can tap him (and there will be others).

  • 1st they criticize
  • 2nd they attack
  • 3rd they join

Also the other factor is Blockstream and their sidechains. If that becomes serious and it could this Fall, then there needs to be a strategy to make sure they can't just copy your coin and make it a side chain. And the easiest way to do that, is make your coin also a side chain. I have some ideas about how to cleverly do that while still retaining independence also.

The person who I had in mind to be a public liason on this coin has declined (unless if no one else can be found). So that position is still open. It should be a paid position since you take on some responsibility and exposure. But that person needs to be absolutely trustworthy. Please no one that will post in the threads of other coins or attack any one about any thing. Even though I've done that occassionally in the past, I want to stop that entirely. And no one that will tell users what they must buy. A person who will not turn hoards of people into haters against the project. Yes there are other coins that are scams, but that is not our problem. Lead by positive actions and results, not by negative comparisons against your scammy competition. One user did PM me offering to be that person. I will try to follow up with him.

After much contemplation, I have decided I prefer to remain anonymous (plausible deniability) on such a coin project. Thus I want to go silent about it again. No more details from me. You won't be able to prove if it was really me or not (but hey don't be stupid, you've been given copious hints).

So thus I won't be announcing who is that liason publicly.

If you've expressed an interest to invest as angel investor, then you will be contacted. And there will be some way to prove the tie to me for those angel investors.

For everyone else (the public), you've read every thing I am going to write about this from my user account.

Again I am doing this mostly because I want these tools. My best creations have come from tools I wanted to use myself. When I created CoolPage (and even though I am not proud of CoolPage's tech any more), I was frustrated when using Abobe PageMill (had a free copy from my prior work) to layout a web page and I couldn't afford NetObjects Fusion (or I couldn't download the 40MB trial because I was on slow dialup connection in Philippines) so I created something easier-to-use and access.

I am doing this now because I want to use these tools. So you can expect me to make them excellent as time allows the necessary coding to do refinements, because I want to use the tools. I hate Bitmessage's GUI and feature set, even though I am grateful it exists. I'll be so happy when we can replace Bitmessage with something easy-to-use and access.

What do I mean by easy-to-use and access? Well for one thing, it should be as simple as pointing your browser to a URL and a GUI client appears. Point and click.

Lot of work ahead me now. The conceptual work is about done. Now the grinding programming. So going silent is necessary any way.

P.S. for an example of why I need the math PhD's assistance and review, I need help to understand what Gregory Maxwell is referring to about the non-unity cofactor for EdDSA:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=380482.msg4083612#msg4083612

That is an example where my math is sorely lacking. I could figure it out with a lot of time, but right about now we need me to be coding and not teaching myself higher abstract algebra maths.

I would still like to find another coder who is at my level or higher. Preferably someone who knows how to code in Java and also knows cryptography. We would have a lot of paid work to throw at the person at even higher levels of pay especially after launch of the base testnet and core block chain functionality when we can sell coins on an open market exchange to raise funds to pay developers at top rates of conpensation (to get the best, you need to not be stingy). Just imagine all the work that needs to be done on GUI wallet, block chain explorer, etc..

Also I thoroughly understand about the need to use low level languages (for performance and) to ensure constant time cryptography and also to use typed languages to avoid silly cryptography bugs.


How can you claim to of solved problems when the first is already solved by Vanilla coin. Vanilla coin wallet is anonomous already right? Plus it's plans are to implement anominity too. Just remember if your not done in a couple of months your not first mover in anominity either.

No I see why you attacked and got so upset at Vanilla coin....though it seems it inspired you 'solving' double spend ie you copied.  Grin

I wish VanillaCoin good luck. My confidence is well founded. I haven't copied a thing from them. I've been working on my own stuff for 2.5 years. And there are no similarities whatsoever in our algorithms and methods. And I have stated all my logic over in the altcoin forum as to why they haven't proven theirs can work (and several other long-time experts have agreed with me). And they have released no details whatsoever on their anonymity algorithms. The chance that they discovered what I did on anonymity is about zero. Again I wish them good luck and have no desire to continue any discord with them.

When people follow you to other threads, stalking you, that is indicative of whom is the leader.

I'm so glad to see that most of you early Bitcoin adopters finally see that Bitcoin has been hijacked by the banks.  I was saying it since 2013 but nobody would believe it - especially not the Bitcoin "experts".

Afair, you participated in my "Bitcoin is a Ponzi" thread where I cited and discussed with you my "Bitcoin: The Digital Kill Switch" in 2013. So "nobody" is incorrect.

FYI:  Monero is most likely a fed coin.  Just ask the top hackers in crypto!  So is DASH.  That makes both coins good buys just don't go falling in love with another lie.  Wink  

Smooth and iCebreaker are running a convincing campaign to elucidate that DASH (DarkCoin) was instamined.

Why do you think those guys (fluffypony, tacotime, smooth, etc) are moles for the banks? I sometimes have discussions with smooth. He is also working on AEON.

I read an innuendo yesterday that implied fluffypony has 25 x 2.5% of the XMR coins! I doubt that! But there was apparently one entity mining the hell out of Monero on AWS (these are just accusations I read yesterday so I dunno).

Seems the more plausible explanation is these are all just sort of scammy coins by guys who want to get rich and pretend (hide behind) an ethos that they are more ethical (holier than thou) the other scammer.

It is the Hegelian dialectic principle that TPTB employ where the lesser worst looks better (i.e. manufactured crisis).

But I still doubt that. I bet it is just human natures at play.

Also I want to move away from getting into these political battles. Who cares! Can't we just go create great tech and make our presentations and let the users decide what they want to buy and use.

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Frankly I don't know who is honest. I start to think some people are honest, but then they behave strangely.

I guess all I can deduce is that those who play politics are politicians. And I know that generally speaking all politicians are corrupt.

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P.S. for an example of why I need the math PhD's assistance and review, I need help to understand what Gregory Maxwell is referring to about the non-unity cofactor for EdDSA:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=380482.msg4083612#msg4083612

That is an example where my math is sorely lacking. I could figure it out with a lot of time, but right about now we need me to be coding and not teaching myself higher abstract algebra maths.


In which case, you meet an inverse 3-Generals Problem wherein a plutocrat or plutocratic body is "the commander" (Lamport, Shostak, Pease), your mathematician is "the loyal lieutenant" (Lamport, Shostak, Pease), and you are "the other lieutenant" (Lamport, Shostak, Pease).

There are other criteria that the implementations of the recommended curves fail— e.g. it looks like curve25519 requires the most significant bit of the private key is set. Beyond reducing the keyspace this has the effect of making it impossible to use schemes like BIP32 for public derivation of addresses. (At least, while using the standard constant time implementations).  Perhaps more interesting is that the page does not penalize curve25519 for having a non-one cofactor. As mentioned this reduces the rho-hardness, but since failure to handle it correctly has resulted in cryptographic weaknesses (e.g. in PAKE schemes). Cryptographic protocols need to multiply their values by the cofactor it's an implementation trap along the lines of the "completeness" examples and this is easier to get wrong if your cofactor is one as it is in secp256k1.
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I use bitcoin because I want to earn anonymously online. It's also a good investment and I like low transaction fees of bitcoin

I love you because I am formerly AnonyMint and since 2013 my goal has been to add more anonymity to cryptoland. Thanks for validating my thesis about a coming glorious, anonymous Knowledge Age.

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I love you because I am formerly AnonyMint and since 2013 my goal has been to add more anonymity to cryptoland. Thanks for validating my thesis about a coming glorious, anonymous Knowledge Age.



Philosophical hyperrealism is a complete epistemological nihilism: epistemological nihilism asserts "One cannot know the real," but philosophical hyperrealism adds "However, the real is, for ex nihilo nihil fit."

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Philosophical hyperrealism is a contrapositive of epistemological nihilism: epistemological nihilism asserts "no [extant] thing is knowable"; philosophical hyperrealism asserts "[every extant thing] is unknowable."

Dualism is I think the more accurate term similar to the concept of covariance vs. contravariance in the Liskov Substitution Principle or inductive vs. co-inductive structures in math and logic.

For example in Haskell, the top of all of the types is _|_ (Bottom, i.e. it is all types simultaneously!) whereas in most computer languages the top of all types is Any (it can be any type), i.e. when you cast to (void *) in C.

To express infinity in an inductive representation, you have a starting point and you enumerate an inductive operation from each point to create another point, e.g. the natural numbers are the recurrence relation:

nat = nat + 0

To express infinity in a co-inductive representation, there is an unknown ending point (that is never reached) and a function to return another point of the series. For example streams in computer science are co-inductive. You open a handle to the I/O streams and read input from it until you receive an EOF (end of file).

We hyperrealists say that we can have things, but we don't assert that we have complete control over them and we view the world as an inductive conjunction of global and local entropy. You nihilists say that we don't have any things.

So this is why you think all our efforts are in vain. But I hope you've just realized that it is just a dualism and thus you are neither more correct than we are (and vice versa). And thus the debate between you and RealBitcoin in the Economic Devastation thread about the importance of property rights.


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Philosophical hyperrealism is a contrapositive of epistemological nihilism: epistemological nihilism asserts "no [extant] thing is knowable"; philosophical hyperrealism asserts "[every extant thing] is unknowable."

Dualism is I think the more accurate term similar to the concept of covariance vs. contravariance in the Liskov Substitution Principle or inductive vs. co-inductive structures in math and logic.

For example in Haskell, the top of all of the types is _|_ (Bottom, i.e. it is all types simultaneously!) whereas in most computer languages the top of all types is Any (it can be any type), i.e. when you cast to (void *) in C.

To express infinity in an inductive representation, you have a starting point and you enumerate an inductive operation from each point to create another point, e.g. the natural numbers are the recurrence relation:

nat = nat + 0

To express infinity in a co-inductive representation, there is an unknown ending point (that is never reached) and a function to return another point of the series. For example streams in computer science are co-inductive. You open a handle to the I/O streams and read input from it until you receive an EOF (end of file).

We hyperrealists say that we can have things, but we don't assert that we have complete control over them and we view the world as an inductive conjunction of global and local entropy. You nihilists say that we don't have any things.

So this is why you think all our efforts are in vain. But I hope you've just realized that it is just a dualism and thus you are neither more correct than we are (and vice versa). And thus the debate between you and RealBitcoin in the Economic Devastation thread about the importance of property rights.



Interesting read on reality:

darkecologies.com/2015/08/12/stanislaw-lems-proof-of-an-independent-reality/

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Quote from: Eric Schwitzgebel, Alan T. Moore; Abstract; "Experimental Evidence for the Existence of an External World"; 2014
In the first experiment, I exhibit unreliable judgment about the primeness or divisibility of four-digit numbers, in contrast to a seeming Excel program. In the second experiment, I exhibit an imperfect memory for arbitrary-seeming three-digit number and letter combinations, in contrast to my seeming collaborator with seemingly hidden notes. In the third experiment, I seem to suffer repeated defeats at chess. In all three experiments, the most straightforward interpretation of the experiential evidence is that something exists in the universe that is superior in the relevant respects – theoretical reasoning (about primes), memorial retention (for digits and letters), or practical reasoning (at chess) – to my own solipsistically-conceived self.

Schwitzgebel and Moore presume the memories referenced in the citation above to be veridical. (Essentially, they neglect the assertion of Russell's Five Minute World Hypothesis within their specious present.)


For philosophical hyperrealism: "Ex nihilo nihil fit; therefore, the real (here, undefinable [think: epistemological NaN]) begets the specious present."

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Quote from: Eric Schwitzgebel, Alan T. Moore; Abstract; "Experimental Evidence for the Existence of an External World"; 2014
In the first experiment, I exhibit unreliable judgment about the primeness or divisibility of four-digit numbers, in contrast to a seeming Excel program. In the second experiment, I exhibit an imperfect memory for arbitrary-seeming three-digit number and letter combinations, in contrast to my seeming collaborator with seemingly hidden notes. In the third experiment, I seem to suffer repeated defeats at chess. In all three experiments, the most straightforward interpretation of the experiential evidence is that something exists in the universe that is superior in the relevant respects – theoretical reasoning (about primes), memorial retention (for digits and letters), or practical reasoning (at chess) – to my own solipsistically-conceived self.

Schwitzgebel and Moore presume the memories referenced in the citation above to be veridical. (Essentially, they neglect the assertion of Russell's Five Minute World Hypothesis within their specious present.)


For philosophical hyperrealism: "Ex nihilo nihil fit; therefore, the real (here, undefinable [think: epistemological NaN]) begets the specious present."

Thanks for replying to what wasn't cited. Convolutions wrapped in self-diagnosing enigmas. But you do not exist, you are an annoying figment of my imagination which is God's since I am the alpha and omega of reality--thanks for confirming my omnipotence. Back to ignore for you sad delusion.

Note: I see usernameunoriginal is posting after I told him I put him ignore. The reason i disengage from reductionist is the same reason some dogs don't chase their own tail. If I can't realize that it is my own (and it's not my first time chasing tails) I'm just going to exhaust my energy running in circles. And if i realize that is my own, what's the point? Either way I save time and energy better used elsewhere. When he's caught his tail, someone let me know and i'll take him off ignore again. Wink

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But you do not exist, you are an annoying figment of my imagination which is God's since I am the alpha and omega of reality--thanks for confirming my omnipotence.

"I" references the self-concept one maintains about it. "You" references that which it maintains about another. In both cases, the (unknowable) real facilitates that maintenance.

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 #920

    • Instant 0-conf transactions that can't be double-spent with any of the typical attacks on Bitcoin.
    • Holy grail of on chain anonymity (superior to Cryptonote).
    • No more 51% attack possible.

    Could someone tell me, what this is about?

    New coin? When well be started? Any link?
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