Economic Totalitarianism

[OROBTC]

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OK, but Einstein was, well, Einstein.  I am just trying to protect my little behunky in the turbulent times to come, and to try to carry what is possible through time for our kid's benefit (or grandchild's). 

"Grandchildren, the genetic payoff."  (author unknown)

All those nasty looking integrals give me the willies...  Or my eyes cloud up, strictly the body's defense you know, can't do anything about it.

[TPTB_need_war]

The discussion in the comments between Rex Kerr and myself, on my philosophical claim that morality = self-interest is interesting (at least to me) and I think very relevant to the totalitarianism we are facing:

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/1597/is-it-immoral-to-download-music-illegally/25125#25125

It is acutely relevant because most people are so attuned to subjugating their "self-interest" to the greater good of society, that they are destroying society. And those who have the talent to actually work on the actual self-interest and save society (such as Rex Kerr who is a talented programmer apparently) will not use their talent for such because they think it is immoral.

It will only be after the SHTF and society perishes, that they realize their mistake. But that will be much too late for us. I can't find a programmer other than myself who thinks there is any urgency. Looks like I have to code it all by myself. Ridiculous. The world is facing a Dark Age collapse into totalitarianism and we have guys here masturbating with philosophical mumbo-jumbo and then others who get the epistemological arguments wrong and thus misapply their talents.

      (fucking ridiculous, but should be expected and the rewards go to the wise)


Epistemological Rationality

Of course until the tide goes out, we won't know who wasn't wearing underwear. So many Europeans think "wonderful life" is the norm. They have been raised in collectivism and have never experience total collapse.

The reality is the total collapse comes around about every 79 years or so, and Dark Age collapse comes about every 309 years, and we are right on time on both of those cycles which have been backtested to Mesopotamia by a supercomputer which was fed $100 million (in 1980s dollars thus $1 billion now) or vast historical data.

Problem is most people can't be rational even though they think they are because they are incapable of basing on data. Without looking at history, there can be no rationality.

Also it is important to have clear thinking and articulation about epistemological taxonomy:

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/1247/are-different-values-of-nothing-equivalent/25124#25124

[username18333]

Where is boundary on your entropy from which you can enumerate a space?

Your answer is your illusion.

What is it to "enumerate a space" (TPTB_need_war)? The cardinality of the set of all real numbers is Aleph-1 - uncountably infinite. Any continuous, nonzero displacement consists of (at least, in the context of Euclidean spaces) uncountably infinite, zero-dimensional points (i.e., 0-spaces). That those points correspond to a particular distance is only for the establishment of a particular line segment as the multiplicative identity of position within the (again, Euclidean) space.

(Do you - that one having made, and continuing to support, a claim about all spaces - care to elaborate on the relevance of your assertion to the Hilbert space - a space?)

[username18333]

I will not respond anymore as this is way OT. PM me if you want.

(For your attempt at the opportunistic preemption of this discussion, you have conceded my points. [You would not have had you not affixed your notice to a rebuttal.])

[username18333]

if you are caught in a singularity between the moment of death and life, does epi's distinction matter to you--the one caught?

(Blue colorization mine.)

[…] Note that these additional terms are not ad hoc or hypothetical, but rather an unavoidable consequence of a quantum description of the contents of our universe. Also, since it is well known that Bohmian trajectories do not cross [19,20], it follows that even when 𝜃 (or ȧ) → −∞ , the actual trajectories (as opposed to geodesics) do not converge, and there is no counterpart of geodesic incompleteness, or the classical singularity theorems, and singularities such as big bang or big crunch are in fact avoided. This view is also supported by the quantum corrected geodesic deviation equation derived in [10], which suggested that trajectories can never actually access infinite curvatures. ⁴

(Red colorization mine.)

(Date and hyperlink documentation altered. Blue colorization added.)

In postmodern Epicureanism, the atomism of classical Epicureanism is replaced by "cutting edge" quantum mechanics.

[TPTB_need_war]

I see the troll has no work to do and wants to consume the time of those who do by introducing more verbiage intended to incite egos.

I decline. I suggest you do too, unless you want to demonstrate that you do not have enough real work to do.

[username18333]

I see the troll has no work to do and wants to consume the time of those who do by introducing more verbiage intended to incite egos.

I decline.

You make claims and, then, decline to support them? For what, in light of that, have you posed these claims?

I have never wished to cater to the crowd; for what I know they do not approve, and what they approve I do not know.

[username18333]

Do not feed the troll.

Forsooth, to discuss the matter would be to resolve it, and, then, what would await us when we return to the abyss?

[generalizethis]

The discussion in the comments between Rex Kerr and myself, on my philosophical claim that morality = self-interest is interesting (at least to me) and I think very relevant to the totalitarianism we are facing:

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/1597/is-it-immoral-to-download-music-illegally/25125#25125

It is acutely relevant because most people are so attuned to subjugating their "self-interest" to the greater good of society, that they are destroying society. And those who have the talent to actually work on the actual self-interest and save society (such as Rex Kerr who is a talented programmer apparently) will not use their talent for such because they think it is immoral.

It will only be after the SHTF and society perishes, that they realize their mistake. But that will be much too late for us. I can't find a programmer other than myself who thinks there is any urgency. Looks like I have to code it all by myself. Ridiculous. The world is facing a Dark Age collapse into totalitarianism and we have guys here masturbating with philosophical mumbo-jumbo and then others who get the epistemological arguments wrong and thus misapply their talents.

      (fucking ridiculous, but should be expected and the rewards go to the wise)


Epistemological Rationality

Of course until the tide goes out, we won't know who wasn't wearing underwear. So many Europeans think "wonderful life" is the norm. They have been raised in collectivism and have never experience total collapse.

The reality is the total collapse comes around about every 79 years or so, and Dark Age collapse comes about every 309 years, and we are right on time on both of those cycles which have been backtested to Mesopotamia by a supercomputer which was fed $100 million (in 1980s dollars thus $1 billion now) or vast historical data.

Problem is most people can't be rational even though they think they are because they are incapable of basing on data. Without looking at history, there can be no rationality.

Also it is important to have clear thinking and articulation about epistemological taxonomy:

https://philosophy.stackexchange.com/questions/1247/are-different-values-of-nothing-equivalent/25124#25124

Have you ever read (or heard) Nick Land's Meltdown? In it he mentions a cycle of dates:

"Converging upon terrestrial meltdown singularity, phase-out culture accelerates through its digitech-heated adaptive landscape, passing through compression thresholds normed to an intensive logistic curve: 1500, 1756, 1884, 1948, 1980, 1996, 2004, 2008, 2010, 2011 …

Nothing human makes it out of the near-future."

Do the cycles accelerate? I never knew for sure if his dates where random for effect or taken from actual data.... He disappeared from public , so no way to ask him. 

[generalizethis]

Wouldn't be surprised if articles like this are used to motivate the masses towards more austere tax measures.

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-18944097

"Can't have those Richy Rich's not paying their fair share--"  

Here's a development:

https://www.dailydot.com/politics/hornet-tor-anonymity-network/

[arielbit]

This was just an idea, the battle should be taken to the streets. Micro payments where the everyday food  is purchased, getting crypto unpegged from the internet plus anon tech is the way.

Is it possible?

Cross post:

It is time where we unpeg bitcoin/crypto currencies from the internet for micro payments, for purchasing like bread, meat etc.

A device, with red light, blue light and green light

Red light(unpegged) - for soda,bread, meat etc..the store BTC device confirms ( 1 confirmation)

Blue light(unpegged) - the store device is connected to other store device but not connected to the internet ( more confirmations)
 
Green light (connected to internet) - for big purchases like buying a car, equipments etc.



Physical coins can be verified too through a scanning mechanism like barcode scanner


Unpegged devices from time to time shoud be updated through the internet so it can recognize newly mined coins


There  should be a blockchain hash verification system (just like torrents) for a certain update date.
 

[Hueristic]

You are entirely missing the point.

Value is not a homomorphism to spacetime. Value is a diverse (n-dimensional) fitness landscape (entropy) where the relationship to time and space is such that they are not just dilated but not even structurally preserved.

Sheesh this is above your paygrade apparently? Or maybe just a math fact you haven't contemplated.

Be that as it may, this thread is nothing more than your own little circle jerk. You obviously have no interest in the topic you chose and have not put forth one iota of energy in that direction as a matter of fact you are intentionally sending any argument to change the status quo off into a tangent. I recommend you change the topic to Mental Masturbation with a emphasis on detrimental physics.

[TPTB_need_war]

Edit: also this thread is not a circle-jerk. I read anything posted that is relevant to the stipulation in the opening post as to the point of this thread. And I reply to such posts only if I feel I can add something of value. Perhaps what you sense is that I tend to have a lot of synergy in threads started by United States citizens, e.g. OROBTC and CoinCube. Perhaps I should name my new coin "Eaglecoin" or just "Eagle" (American Eagle for freedom and for founding father American ideas).

You obviously have no interest in the topic you chose and have not put forth one iota of energy in that direction...

Dude several times I've mentioned that my head is deep in/on programming the solutions we need to survive this coming totalitarianism. I don't have time for the philosophical tangents. OROBTC wrote in the opening post that this thread was to be more about enumerating the threats and offering solutions, and not another theoretical thread for which we already have the Economic Devastation thread. OROBTC has tried to reiterate that with his recent posts, but he is too nice to tell you bluntly so I have to do it.

The issue here is you guys have huge egos and need to find something to do with your idle time. Whereas, I have vitally important work to do and not enough time to do it.

I am so fucking tired of battling egos. Can't anyone code? I see you guys as useless to the cause.

You think XMR is the solution and you can just sit back and collect the rewards for which you did nothing from your armchair but waste the time of those who are coding. You have a big lesson coming.

I have also learned in my recent search for a programmer and mathematician for collaboration, that this armchair, non-cooperative attitude seems to be a trait of Europeans. I will quote from Eric S Raymond the high genuis progenitor of the term "open source":

http://esr.ibiblio.org/?p=4901

The German: Methodical, good at details, prone to over-engineering things, careful about tests. Territorial: as a project lead, can get mightily offended if you propose to mess with his orderly orderliness. Good at planned architecture too, but doesn’t deal with novelty well and is easily disoriented by rapidly changing requirements. Rude when cornered. Often wants to run things; just as often it’s unwise to let him.

The Russian: A morose, wizardly loner. Capable of pulling amazing feats of algorithmic complexity and how-did-he-spot that debugging out of nowhere. Mathematically literate. Uncommunicative and relatively poor at cooperating with others, but more from obliviousness than obnoxiousness. Has recent war stories about using equipment that has been obsolete in the West for decades.

I have observed both of those descriptions in spades in my search for collaborative help. Also others of them are so busy on traveling and vacation, they reply once disappear and reply again after another week with a "sorry". Cripes and they think that is tolerable? I heard about the socialism over there in Europe with 35 hour work weeks and 2 months paid vacation. Europe will collapse!

Interviewing some candidates (especially one senior one) from the United Socialist States of Unamerica has been a breath of fresh air. They are articulate, results oriented, flexible, communicative, friendly, upbeat, and understand the "small team" and work hard ethos. The cultural divide is significant.

Also there appears to be a significant divide for those youngsters with a college education. University is apparently destroying the attitude (minds) of the youth.

[TPTB_need_war]

This was just an idea, the battle should be taken to the streets. Micro payments where the everyday food  is purchased, getting crypto unpegged from the internet plus anon tech is the way.

Is it possible?

Decentralized currency is not compatible with no network connection (although it could be a broadcast network RF for 0-confirmation transactions), because for example a physical coin (and its embedded copy of the private key[2]) can be counterfeited.[1]

The best we can do is decentralized the network, which is one of the new features I am working on.

[1]

Physical cash requires an authority to enforce anti-counterfeiting laws, else it requires a precious metals money but we know already that due to Gresham's Law and the fact money must debase else society can not increase production, precious metals have never been and never will be cash. They have never been cash! It was always the State logo on the coin which was the signifier of value and trust. Armstrong explained this in great detail with his ancient coin collections.

[2]

Note as AnonyMint, I presented the idea of embedding the private key inside tungsten inside the coin and enabling it with RF communications (attaining its current from the signal), but even if you could do that difficult tech, you still probably have to trust the authority issuer of the coin (unless it could somehow embedded an eeprom). But even then you still need a connection to the network to verify the public key hasn't been spent.

[OROBTC]

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It took some guidance, but I now have an avatar.  A bearing business counts as diversification. 



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[Hueristic]

Blah blah blah, you don't program so your input is not wanted.

FROM OP:

But, that thread wanders into difficult philosophical terrain, and I am interested in hearing opinions (practical!) re what we can do about "Economic Totalitarianism":

BTW, I program (in the past not for over a decade now) in Assembler, Fortan, Pascal, RPGII, QB, VB, C, C++ and C# as well as uncountable scripting languages over the years.

[TPTB_need_war]

BTW, I program (in the past not for over a decade now) in Assembler, Fortan, Pascal, RPGII, QB, VB, C, C++ and C# as well as uncountable scripting languages over the years.

But we need coders. And not the new guys who believe Node.js is the shit. We need the old guys who really know how to code.

Similar to me not coding much from 2002 until recently. At least I upgraded my skills to new languages during that period, and now I am coding again at age 50. I tried also to become a passive investor and realized that is not my #1 talent.

[username18333]

But we need coders.

Thus the goal is not anti-money, but rather a technological advance into the Knowledge Age wherein capital is knowledge creation which is inherently not a homomorphism to spacetime, thus can't be financed with usury.

No matter how quickly you zip around the track, you'll still be going in circles: a money is that which forwards the agenda of plutocracy - no matter who prints it. Hence, I proposed what you went on to term "anti-money." However, you have rejected this proposition and, instead, have decided to tests the limits of your tether - a tether placed upon you in anticipation of your "efforts" to break free of it.

[rpietila]

If a person has any wealth, he by definition is net long in something - the "something" that he owns.

I don't see that - especially in these times when asset prices are by and large determined by the powers' controlling and manipulation - a person should be short in any asset. The benefits from possibly guessing correctly the powers' intentions do not outweigh the drawbacks of being naked (having a short position with no corresponding long position or exposure) in anything.

You can sleep much better by weaning yourself out of fiat, if not in completeness, at least in thinking. If one day you wake up having a nice bunch of XMR, some BTC, a castle, and a wad of cash, and the news tell that they are all "worth" zero - why care? You still have them, and can continue your life as usual.

Price manipulation is total, and instead of getting distracted by it, you do better to hedge a bit here and there and disregard the manipulation by ignoring the short term (less than a decade) movements.

[rpietila]

Anti-money folks have not given an explanation on how to efficiently produce anything absent the price mechanism.

Eg. pencil production consists of 80 phases, from assembling the machines used to mine graphite and fell trees (and the property rights to conduct such activities), to machine the pencils, pack, ship and distribute them for delivery to end customers. The decisions that people make to allocate the resources and intermediate goods, and the finished goods, and the information on supply and demand, are done on monetary terms.

Many supposedly bright minds have said that money (unit of account for financial calculations) can be done away with, but if they don't solve this issue, their world would not have pencils nor anything more complicated than that, because the production and distribution chain would be totally invalidated, and a tribal economy with organic food would result.