Why do Atheists Hate Religion?

[BADecker]

I showed you the dictionary definition of religion - https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion. It's too bad for atheists that they are unwilling to look at how it fits atheism.

[Astargath]

I showed you the dictionary definition of religion - https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion. It's too bad for atheists that they are unwilling to look at how it fits atheism.

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Which is not what atheism is, sometimes I think you have problems with your memory man.

[BADecker]

I showed you the dictionary definition of religion - https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion. It's too bad for atheists that they are unwilling to look at how it fits atheism.

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Which is not what atheism is, sometimes I think you have problems with your memory man.

People don't live in a vacuum. Not even atheists. All you are saying is that atheists are trying to get around their belief system being called a belief system. Atheism is simply a different kind of religion.

How do we know that atheism is a belief system? Atheists don't know that God doesn't exist. They might not question themselves about God's existence very much. But they do sometimes. This shows that they might only be believing that God doesn't exist.

Part of the vacuum that atheists don't live in is the fact that God is evident in nature. Because God is evident, atheists are only trying to believe in atheism. So, their real religion is the religion of lying, with atheism their religion of trying. Why? Because they believe they will have success in their lies.

[Astargath]

I showed you the dictionary definition of religion - https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion. It's too bad for atheists that they are unwilling to look at how it fits atheism.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg48962914#msg48962914

Which is not what atheism is, sometimes I think you have problems with your memory man.

People don't live in a vacuum. Not even atheists. All you are saying is that atheists are trying to get around their belief system being called a belief system. Atheism is simply a different kind of religion.

How do we know that atheism is a belief system? Atheists don't know that God doesn't exist. They might not question themselves about God's existence very much. But they do sometimes. This shows that they might only be believing that God doesn't exist.

Part of the vacuum that atheists don't live in is the fact that God is evident in nature. Because God is evident, atheists are only trying to believe in atheism. So, their real religion is the religion of lying, with atheism their religion of trying. Why? Because they believe they will have success in their lies.

[BADecker]

I showed you the dictionary definition of religion - https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion. It's too bad for atheists that they are unwilling to look at how it fits atheism.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg48962914#msg48962914

Which is not what atheism is, sometimes I think you have problems with your memory man.

People don't live in a vacuum. Not even atheists. All you are saying is that atheists are trying to get around their belief system being called a belief system. Atheism is simply a different kind of religion.

How do we know that atheism is a belief system? Atheists don't know that God doesn't exist. They might not question themselves about God's existence very much. But they do sometimes. This shows that they might only be believing that God doesn't exist.

Part of the vacuum that atheists don't live in is the fact that God is evident in nature. Because God is evident, atheists are only trying to believe in atheism. So, their real religion is the religion of lying, with atheism their religion of trying. Why? Because they believe they will have success in their lies.

disbelief
[dis-bi-leef]

noun

1.    the inability or refusal to believe or to accept something as true.
2.    amazement; astonishment: We stared at the Taj Mahal in disbelief.

So, continue to be amazed and astonished until you realize that disbelief, etc., are simply other forms of belief.

[ATMD]

During my life I have seen two main trends, or "schools of thought", if you will.  One is that religion is the beginning of everything, that evolution does not exist, and so on.  The other is the exact opposite: science is everything, we are the product of evolution, and religion are fairy tales.  Its always one versus the other. Havent really seen anything in the middle, really.

What if there is a God / Goddess / groups of gods who created us and in order to do so they used science as the tool?

Science and God are not mutually exclusive. Comparing religion with science is like comparing apples and oranges, they are focusing on different questions. A person can be a theist and extremely knowledgeable in science. Atheism is not the same thing as science, because science can be used to support theism as well as atheism. Some people view all the wonders of this world as evidence for design (Intelligent Designer worldview), while other people view this world as coming from chance (Darwinian worldview). It is all about perception. Science is not an opposite of theism, atheism is.

Religion answers the purpose questions while science answers the mechanism questions.

Religion questions
"Why do we exist?"
"What is the meaning of life and why is it valuable?"
"Why is having absolute morality essential for humans to coexist peacefully?"

Science questions
"How are babies born?"
"What is the mechanism for how genes replicate?"
"How do lightning and thunder occur?" etc.

I remember Lawrence Krauss (famous atheist) once said, "if you were choking, would you prefer the person next to you to start praying or do the heimlich maneuver to relieve you?" The question was asked to show how religion is useless while science is extremely useful to learn. Nobody is questioning the usefulness of science, the most adamant theists are completely pro-science just as much as the most adamant atheists. View David Berlinski or Stephen Meyer for examples of knowledgeable scientists who believe in God.

Let's look at Krauss's example from two worldviews.

Atheistic worldview: If I was choking, I am happy that somebody learned the Heimlich maneuver in science class so he could help me. To me, it is evidence that science is superior to theology studies.

Theistic worldview: If I was choking, I am happy that somebody did the Heimlich maneuver on me, but I would also thank God that I happened to be choking in front of someone who knows how to do the Heimlich maneuver. On the very rare moment that I happened to be choking, God made sure to place me in front of someone who is skilled in the Heimlich maneuver, to relieve me immediately, and I see that as a great sign that God was taking care of me.

This is how the two worldviews differ in my opinion. Atheism does not have God in the picture, theism does.

[Astargath]

I showed you the dictionary definition of religion - https://www.dictionary.com/browse/religion. It's too bad for atheists that they are unwilling to look at how it fits atheism.

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=1054513.msg48962914#msg48962914

Which is not what atheism is, sometimes I think you have problems with your memory man.

People don't live in a vacuum. Not even atheists. All you are saying is that atheists are trying to get around their belief system being called a belief system. Atheism is simply a different kind of religion.

How do we know that atheism is a belief system? Atheists don't know that God doesn't exist. They might not question themselves about God's existence very much. But they do sometimes. This shows that they might only be believing that God doesn't exist.

Part of the vacuum that atheists don't live in is the fact that God is evident in nature. Because God is evident, atheists are only trying to believe in atheism. So, their real religion is the religion of lying, with atheism their religion of trying. Why? Because they believe they will have success in their lies.

disbelief
[dis-bi-leef]

noun

1.    the inability or refusal to believe or to accept something as true.
2.    amazement; astonishment: We stared at the Taj Mahal in disbelief.

So, continue to be amazed and astonished until you realize that disbelief, etc., are simply other forms of belief.

No? Not even close, it clearly states it's a refusal to believe or accept something as true, it doesn't mean your position is that god is 100% not true, atheism position is: You don't have enough evidence, therefore I don't believe it.

[BADecker]

No? Not even close, it clearly states it's a refusal to believe or accept something as true, it doesn't mean your position is that god is 100% not true, atheism position is: You don't have enough evidence, therefore I don't believe it.

But we are taking about atheists/religion. Even if non-believing something simply put the non-believer into a vacuum regarding that subject, the mouthy atheists especially have beliefs. And they have beliefs about God and all kinds of things regarding Him. One of those beliefs is that they don't know that He doesn't exist... or is that part of their knowledge, and not part of their belief system?

Even if a person could hold a position of non-belief regarding God, He would only be making himself into God by holding that position. Why? Because He would be attempting to defy the natural and scientific knowledge of God that is all around him.

This means that he still has religion, no matter how angry at this fact he gets.

[Astargath]

No? Not even close, it clearly states it's a refusal to believe or accept something as true, it doesn't mean your position is that god is 100% not true, atheism position is: You don't have enough evidence, therefore I don't believe it.

But we are taking about atheists/religion. Even if non-believing something simply put the non-believer into a vacuum regarding that subject, the mouthy atheists especially have beliefs. And they have beliefs about God and all kinds of things regarding Him. One of those beliefs is that they don't know that He doesn't exist... or is that part of their knowledge, and not part of their belief system?

Even if a person could hold a position of non-belief regarding God, He would only be making himself into God by holding that position. Why? Because He would be attempting to defy the natural and scientific knowledge of God that is all around him.

This means that he still has religion, no matter how angry at this fact he gets.

Well, the definition of atheism doesn't include the word religion, so it's not a religion.

''One of those beliefs is that they don't know that He doesn't exist..'' And again, atheism is not the belief that god doesn't exist 100%, it's the non belief in the evidence presented to support god. Ghosts might be real for all I know but right now I haven't found evidence that they are, I also can't say they are 100% not real but I can't believe in them right now. That's what atheism is.

[BADecker]

No? Not even close, it clearly states it's a refusal to believe or accept something as true, it doesn't mean your position is that god is 100% not true, atheism position is: You don't have enough evidence, therefore I don't believe it.

But we are taking about atheists/religion. Even if non-believing something simply put the non-believer into a vacuum regarding that subject, the mouthy atheists especially have beliefs. And they have beliefs about God and all kinds of things regarding Him. One of those beliefs is that they don't know that He doesn't exist... or is that part of their knowledge, and not part of their belief system?

Even if a person could hold a position of non-belief regarding God, He would only be making himself into God by holding that position. Why? Because He would be attempting to defy the natural and scientific knowledge of God that is all around him.

This means that he still has religion, no matter how angry at this fact he gets.

Well, the definition of atheism doesn't include the word religion, so it's not a religion.

''One of those beliefs is that they don't know that He doesn't exist..'' And again, atheism is not the belief that god doesn't exist 100%, it's the non belief in the evidence presented to support god. Ghosts might be real for all I know but right now I haven't found evidence that they are, I also can't say they are 100% not real but I can't believe in them right now. That's what atheism is.

Probably very few definitions include all instances of the defining use. Definitions attempt to be brief enough, yet inclusive enough, so that people who use them can understand the other things that they cover which are not listed in the definition, itself. This is part of the reason why languages change with use, over time... because the definitions are not inclusive enough.

Oxford says that non belief is lack of belief in something, especially religion - https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/non-belief. As I said, just because someone doesn't believe something, doesn't make him a vacuum regarding that thing. Lack of belief in something is simply believing that it doesn't exist. The consideration of "it" is belief in it enough that the non-believer considers it. Lack of believing that atheism is a religion, is simply lack of looking at the definition of religion entirely.

In other words, imagine a person and a church who has never heard of the word religion. Yet they practice it on a regular basis in their church services. Just because they haven't heard the word, doesn't mean that they don't have religion.

Atheism falls into the pattern of religion, even though many people want to deny it. The fact that they look at the word makes them religious in their observation of the word. Talking about it, even in a negative and negating way causes, at least, simple belief in it. The closest that you can come to an atheist is someone who has not even considered the subject of God, ever.

[Astargath]

No? Not even close, it clearly states it's a refusal to believe or accept something as true, it doesn't mean your position is that god is 100% not true, atheism position is: You don't have enough evidence, therefore I don't believe it.

But we are taking about atheists/religion. Even if non-believing something simply put the non-believer into a vacuum regarding that subject, the mouthy atheists especially have beliefs. And they have beliefs about God and all kinds of things regarding Him. One of those beliefs is that they don't know that He doesn't exist... or is that part of their knowledge, and not part of their belief system?

Even if a person could hold a position of non-belief regarding God, He would only be making himself into God by holding that position. Why? Because He would be attempting to defy the natural and scientific knowledge of God that is all around him.

This means that he still has religion, no matter how angry at this fact he gets.

Well, the definition of atheism doesn't include the word religion, so it's not a religion.

''One of those beliefs is that they don't know that He doesn't exist..'' And again, atheism is not the belief that god doesn't exist 100%, it's the non belief in the evidence presented to support god. Ghosts might be real for all I know but right now I haven't found evidence that they are, I also can't say they are 100% not real but I can't believe in them right now. That's what atheism is.

Probably very few definitions include all instances of the defining use. Definitions attempt to be brief enough, yet inclusive enough, so that people who use them can understand the other things that they cover which are not listed in the definition, itself. This is part of the reason why languages change with use, over time... because the definitions are not inclusive enough.

Oxford says that non belief is lack of belief in something, especially religion - https://en.oxforddictionaries.com/definition/non-belief. As I said, just because someone doesn't believe something, doesn't make him a vacuum regarding that thing. Lack of belief in something is simply believing that it doesn't exist. The consideration of "it" is belief in it enough that the non-believer considers it. Lack of believing that atheism is a religion, is simply lack of looking at the definition of religion entirely.

In other words, imagine a person and a church who has never heard of the word religion. Yet they practice it on a regular basis in their church services. Just because they haven't heard the word, doesn't mean that they don't have religion.

Atheism falls into the pattern of religion, even though many people want to deny it. The fact that they look at the word makes them religious in their observation of the word. Talking about it, even in a negative and negating way causes, at least, simple belief in it. The closest that you can come to an atheist is someone who has not even considered the subject of God, ever.

''Lack of belief in something is simply believing that it doesn't exist.'' Fucking hell, you are like a broken record, I don't even think you read what I post. Lack of belief in something does NOT mean believing it doesn't exist.

[BADecker]

''Lack of belief in something is simply believing that it doesn't exist.'' Fucking hell, you are like a broken record, I don't even think you read what I post. Lack of belief in something does NOT mean believing it doesn't exist.

Very religious of you to notice.     

[stevenirons21]

They hate religion because they THINK they believe only science proved stuff, they can't prove God doesn't exist though.

[Astargath]

They hate religion because they THINK they believe only science proved stuff, they can't prove God doesn't exist though.

You can't prove Thor doesn't exist idiot.

[BADecker]

They hate religion because they THINK they believe only science proved stuff, they can't prove God doesn't exist though.

You can't prove Thor doesn't exist idiot.

But we have scientifically proven that God exists. We also have compared the records of Thor to the scientific proof that shows God exist, and we have found that Thor isn't God.

[Astargath]

They hate religion because they THINK they believe only science proved stuff, they can't prove God doesn't exist though.

You can't prove Thor doesn't exist idiot.

But we have scientifically proven that God exists. We also have compared the records of Thor to the scientific proof that shows God exist, and we have found that Thor isn't God.

Most scientists, even the ones who believe in god know you can't prove god scientifically and also know no one has done it, that's the stupidest claim ever, that we have proved god scientifically. lmao. Again not even the scientists who believe in it think that way..

[BADecker]

They hate religion because they THINK they believe only science proved stuff, they can't prove God doesn't exist though.

You can't prove Thor doesn't exist idiot.

But we have scientifically proven that God exists. We also have compared the records of Thor to the scientific proof that shows God exist, and we have found that Thor isn't God.

Most scientists, even the ones who believe in god know you can't prove god scientifically and also know no one has done it, that's the stupidest claim ever, that we have proved god scientifically. lmao. Again not even the scientists who believe in it think that way..

Most scientists haven't even tried to prove God scientifically. If science put as much effort into proving God as they do other things, God would bless them and their work so strongly that we would have advanced as much as 10 times, scientifically, more than we have.



EDIT: If atheists hate religion, they do it because they are either ignorant or stupid.

[Astargath]

They hate religion because they THINK they believe only science proved stuff, they can't prove God doesn't exist though.

You can't prove Thor doesn't exist idiot.

But we have scientifically proven that God exists. We also have compared the records of Thor to the scientific proof that shows God exist, and we have found that Thor isn't God.

Most scientists, even the ones who believe in god know you can't prove god scientifically and also know no one has done it, that's the stupidest claim ever, that we have proved god scientifically. lmao. Again not even the scientists who believe in it think that way..

Most scientists haven't even tried to prove God scientifically. If science put as much effort into proving God as they do other things, God would bless them and their work so strongly that we would have advanced as much as 10 times, scientifically, as we have.



EDIT: If atheists hate religion, they do it because they are either ignorant or stupid.

I don't care if they tried or not, there is no scientific proof for god, otherwise scientists who believe in god would use it all the time. Admit you are lying.

[BADecker]

I don't care if they tried or not, there is no scientific proof for god, otherwise scientists who believe in god would use it all the time. Admit you are lying.

You can't believe in God unless you know that God exists, and understand what believing in Him is about.

Nobody can force you to understand scientific proof, or make you admit it when you do.

Casino Royale - Torture Scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEPmn8FHtDA

[Astargath]

I don't care if they tried or not, there is no scientific proof for god, otherwise scientists who believe in god would use it all the time. Admit you are lying.

You can't believe in God unless you know that God exists, and understand what believing in Him is about.

Nobody can force you to understand scientific proof, or make you admit it when you do.

Casino Royale - Torture Scene

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WEPmn8FHtDA

There is no such thing as scientific proof, there is scientific evidence which is used in hypothesis or theories. There is no theory or hypothesis of god. There is no scientific evidence of god either. Admit you are lying.