Up Like Trump

[RoomBot]

 

Looks like his wall failed from ED!!!!

Electoral Dysfunction.

 

[RoomBot]

Those American elections seem to take just so loooooong. ...

I feel like we're talking about that for a year or two! Are we done yet? At least the nominates campaign is over no?

No.

BOTH conventions will be contested, IMO.

Get some popcorn.

Prepare for riots.

[Karartma1]

....people believe him because he's a show man, he knows what to say, what most of the people want to hear and when things need to be said.....

You mean, like Obama?

I mean yes they are all the same in the end: the usually play in the same teams behind the scenes. But I don't know why this guy troubles me more than any other guy.

One possible answer is that the others hide their psychotic narcissism with a smiley faced false front and Trump doesn't.  Some people would find this revolting and not see the underlying similarity.

I wonder if a lot of people literally vote for someone "they like."

But it seems if that were so the same people that voted for Obama, would never, ever vote for Hillary.

Exactly! That is the point of it all!
Trump is an "organic" true crazy man: it seems he's not acting at all, he's like that, naturally, organically.
While the other one, as you pointed out, is simply and truly fake.

Once I saw a documentary http://www.pbs.org/wnet/wideangle/episodes/the-prime-minister-and-the-press/introduction/?p=913 about Berlusconi, former Italian Prime Minister.
It seems that people voted for him because they "liked" him.

[pureclckr]

I like Trump

[Elwar]

I like Trump

Was it his support of Democrats up until 2008 and his vote for Obama that got you to like him? Or his conservative rhetoric up until he was the defacto Republican nominee? Or is it his higher taxes, single payer health care talk after he was chosen?

[tvbcof]

I like Trump

Was it his support of Democrats up until 2008 and his vote for Obama that got you to like him? Or his conservative rhetoric up until he was the defacto Republican nominee? Or is it his higher taxes, single payer health care talk after he was chosen?

That more or less matches my own dispositions in those timeframes.  I remember casting a vote for Obama but only because even back then I was very strongly #NeverHillary and knew nothing about Obama himself.  I probably did or would have cast a vote for Obama in the general because the alternative was Crazy Johnny (later known as 'Jihad Johnny'.)

I may have given up on the potential for single-payer to work by that time, but I did support it at one point because it provides the best leverage on a theoretical basis among other more broad benefits.  At the time I did not recognize that the health care system was being broken on purpose for nefarious reasons and by those who wanted universal care to further ratchet up their game.  By the time Obamacare rolled around I favored a public option specifically to help the right people have leverage in 'making the deals'.  States may not be the best allies of 'the people', but they don't print their own money so they have at least some reason to try to control costs.

I believe in 'higher taxes' for groups who have used their influence to insert loopholes into the tax codes and who leverage these loopholes.  Always have, and I believe that if Trump is at his core a decent person then he probably would and did as well.

I don't have anything against people who 'flip-flop'.  I do it myself.  I do have something against those who will not flip-flop even when new information comes in.  They either are not exposing themselves to it or are to fossilized (or bought off) to take it in.  Generally I find this inflexibility to be the biggest problem with the hard-core Libertarian types.

[Spendulus]

....
I may have given up on the potential for single-payer to work by that time, but I did support it at one point because it provides the best leverage on a theoretical basis among other more broad benefits.  At the time I did not recognize that the health care system was being broken on purpose for nefarious reasons and by those who wanted universal care to further ratchet up their game.  ....

Most people still don't get it.

Curiously, I think that single payer could work best, but only if the government was stronger than those taking the payouts under the system. 

In the USA the opposite is true, leading to an inescapable conclusion that single payer would allow the worst corruption and bilking of the public.

[Elwar]

I don't have anything against people who 'flip-flop'.  I do it myself.  I do have something against those who will not flip-flop even when new information comes in.  They either are not exposing themselves to it or are to fossilized (or bought off) to take it in.  Generally I find this inflexibility to be the biggest problem with the hard-core Libertarian types.

My principles have certainly evolved. I used to think the Libertarian Party was the answer. Then I thought maybe the US had a chance with Ron Paul. Then I realized how big of idiots American voters are and how putting any effort into trying to save them from themselves was a waste of time.

[tvbcof]

....
I may have given up on the potential for single-payer to work by that time, but I did support it at one point because it provides the best leverage on a theoretical basis among other more broad benefits.  At the time I did not recognize that the health care system was being broken on purpose for nefarious reasons and by those who wanted universal care to further ratchet up their game.  ....

Most people still don't get it.

Curiously, I think that single payer could work best, but only if the government was stronger than those taking the payouts under the system. 

In the USA the opposite is true, leading to an inescapable conclusion that single payer would allow the worst corruption and bilking of the public.

My current position is that even if one finds a government who could and would 'do right' for the people in a situation like this, there is no reason to believe that it would persist in this disposition and much history and logic to indicate it would not.  It's a tough pill for a former 'socialist' like moi.  I flip-flopped...but I understand how people could hold what I currently consider to be wrong-headed views.

[Wilikon]

 

[vokain]

 

Is that hat made in the US 

[Wilikon]

 

Is that hat made in the US 

If you want to be sure not to get a bootleg

http://shop.donaldjtrump.com/product-p/dtc-odtrh-rd.htm

 

[Spendulus]

 

Is that hat made in the US 

If you want to be sure not to get a bootleg

http://shop.donaldjtrump.com/product-p/dtc-odtrh-rd.htm

 

hat?

What hat?

[Wilikon]

- May 17, 2016 -

(New York, NY) May 17, 2016 - Yesterday, Donald J. Trump filed his Personal Financial Disclosure (PFD) forms with the Federal Election Commission (FEC), his second annual filing since announcing his candidacy for President of the United States in June of last year.

Mr. Trump stated, “I filed my PFD, which I am proud to say is the largest in the history of the FEC. Despite the fact that I am allowed extensions, I have again filed my report, which is 104 pages, on time. Bernie Sanders has requested, on the other hand, an extension for his small report. This is the difference between a businessman and the all talk, no action politicians that have failed the American people for far too long. I have built an incredible company and have accumulated one of the greatest portfolios of real estate assets, many of which are considered to be among the finest and most iconic properties in the world. This is the kind of thinking the country needs.”

The newly filed PFD shows a tremendous cash flow, and a revenue increase of approximately $190 million dollars (which does not include dividends, interest, capital gains, rents and royalties). This income was utilized, among other things, for the funding of construction projects at various multi-million dollar developments, reduction of debt and the funding of the campaign.

Mr. Trump’s income as reported in the PFD statement is in excess of $557 million (which does not include dividends, interest, capital gains, rents and royalties). Mr. Trump's net worth has increased since the last statement was filed in July of 2015. As of this date, Mr. Trump's net worth is in excess of $10 billion dollars.


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-files-personal-financial-disclosure-form-with-the-federal-e

[BADecker]

- May 17, 2016 -

(New York, NY) May 17, 2016 - Yesterday, Donald J. Trump filed his Personal Financial Disclosure (PFD) forms with the Federal Election Commission (FEC), his second annual filing since announcing his candidacy for President of the United States in June of last year.

Mr. Trump stated, “I filed my PFD, which I am proud to say is the largest in the history of the FEC. Despite the fact that I am allowed extensions, I have again filed my report, which is 104 pages, on time. Bernie Sanders has requested, on the other hand, an extension for his small report. This is the difference between a businessman and the all talk, no action politicians that have failed the American people for far too long. I have built an incredible company and have accumulated one of the greatest portfolios of real estate assets, many of which are considered to be among the finest and most iconic properties in the world. This is the kind of thinking the country needs.”

The newly filed PFD shows a tremendous cash flow, and a revenue increase of approximately $190 million dollars (which does not include dividends, interest, capital gains, rents and royalties). This income was utilized, among other things, for the funding of construction projects at various multi-million dollar developments, reduction of debt and the funding of the campaign.

Mr. Trump’s income as reported in the PFD statement is in excess of $557 million (which does not include dividends, interest, capital gains, rents and royalties). Mr. Trump's net worth has increased since the last statement was filed in July of 2015. As of this date, Mr. Trump's net worth is in excess of $10 billion dollars.


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-files-personal-financial-disclosure-form-with-the-federal-e

As of this date, Mr. Trump's net worth is in excess of 22,222,222 bitcoins. Wait. Isn't that more than all of them ever?

[Wilikon]

- May 17, 2016 -

(New York, NY) May 17, 2016 - Yesterday, Donald J. Trump filed his Personal Financial Disclosure (PFD) forms with the Federal Election Commission (FEC), his second annual filing since announcing his candidacy for President of the United States in June of last year.

Mr. Trump stated, “I filed my PFD, which I am proud to say is the largest in the history of the FEC. Despite the fact that I am allowed extensions, I have again filed my report, which is 104 pages, on time. Bernie Sanders has requested, on the other hand, an extension for his small report. This is the difference between a businessman and the all talk, no action politicians that have failed the American people for far too long. I have built an incredible company and have accumulated one of the greatest portfolios of real estate assets, many of which are considered to be among the finest and most iconic properties in the world. This is the kind of thinking the country needs.”

The newly filed PFD shows a tremendous cash flow, and a revenue increase of approximately $190 million dollars (which does not include dividends, interest, capital gains, rents and royalties). This income was utilized, among other things, for the funding of construction projects at various multi-million dollar developments, reduction of debt and the funding of the campaign.

Mr. Trump’s income as reported in the PFD statement is in excess of $557 million (which does not include dividends, interest, capital gains, rents and royalties). Mr. Trump's net worth has increased since the last statement was filed in July of 2015. As of this date, Mr. Trump's net worth is in excess of $10 billion dollars.


https://www.donaldjtrump.com/press-releases/donald-j.-trump-files-personal-financial-disclosure-form-with-the-federal-e

As of this date, Mr. Trump's net worth is in excess of 22,222,222 bitcoins. Wait. Isn't that more than all of them ever?

That is... If the blockchain survives in the next multiple decades...

 

[Wilikon]

IT’S OFFICIAL: DONALD TRUMP Breaks Bush Record With Most Votes Ever for Republican Primary Candidate



With his win tonight in the State of Oregon along with previous victories in West Virginia and Nebraska, Donald J. Trump broke George W. Bush’s record with the most votes won by any Republican Primary Candidate in party history.

George W. Bush won 10.8 million votes in the 2000 Republican primary.
Donald Trump has won 11.1 million votes so far this year.


[...]
Trump has more primary wins (27), more overall state wins (30), the highest percentage of primary wins (87%), the highest percent of overall state wins (71%), the highest percent of primary delegates (74%), the highest percent of overall delegates (67%), and the highest percentage of votes (60%) than the final top four Republican and Democrat candidates.



http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/trump-one-step-closer-nomination-hillary-one-step-forward-two-steps-back/

[tvbcof]

As of this date, Mr. Trump's net worth is in excess of 22,222,222 bitcoins. Wait. Isn't that more than all of them ever?

That is... If the blockchain survives in the next multiple decades...

 

I basically expect that Trump will have no use for Bitcoin.  It will interfere with his plans and control over certain things, and he doesn't seem to be the kind of guy who would put up with such things.  I have yet to see him put any focus on such ideas as individual liberty.  I don't like this and I hope I'm wrong.  I've a vested interest in seeing Bitcoin thrive, and would like to see it happen for socio-political reasons as well, but at the end of the day it's most important to me that America retains some of our basic historical properties which are very close to being dissolved.  My sense is that 'MAGA' will also end up working out better for the rest of the world, and I think that some foreigners are sensing that too.

[tvbcof]

I don't have anything against people who 'flip-flop'.  I do it myself.  I do have something against those who will not flip-flop even when new information comes in.  They either are not exposing themselves to it or are to fossilized (or bought off) to take it in.  Generally I find this inflexibility to be the biggest problem with the hard-core Libertarian types.

My principles have certainly evolved. I used to think the Libertarian Party was the answer. Then I thought maybe the US had a chance with Ron Paul. Then I realized how big of idiots American voters are and how putting any effort into trying to save them from themselves was a waste of time.

'Oscillation' describes my thoughts on this better than 'flip-flop'.  I get totally demoralized, then TPTB want to attack Syria and the people say 'fuck no' at a rate of 99-to-one and I get some hope back again.  Rinse and repeat.

[BADecker]

IT’S OFFICIAL: DONALD TRUMP Breaks Bush Record With Most Votes Ever for Republican Primary Candidate



With his win tonight in the State of Oregon along with previous victories in West Virginia and Nebraska, Donald J. Trump broke George W. Bush’s record with the most votes won by any Republican Primary Candidate in party history.

George W. Bush won 10.8 million votes in the 2000 Republican primary.
Donald Trump has won 11.1 million votes so far this year.


[...]
Trump has more primary wins (27), more overall state wins (30), the highest percentage of primary wins (87%), the highest percent of overall state wins (71%), the highest percent of primary delegates (74%), the highest percent of overall delegates (67%), and the highest percentage of votes (60%) than the final top four Republican and Democrat candidates.



http://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2016/05/trump-one-step-closer-nomination-hillary-one-step-forward-two-steps-back/

This means that Hitlery will get in. After all, her Benghazi crimes, along with everything else she is a crook at, should have sent her to prison long ago. But it only seems to have made her more popular. She'll beat Trump hands down, even though it may not look like it right now.