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October 23, 2012, 02:27:49 PM |
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What makes you so sure that you're not the robber? You keep enjoying the fruits of society being and civil and organised. Would you rather have a "zombie apocalypse" where lone gunmen drive through devastated wastelands and shoot the 'bums'?
Perhaps he is. Perhaps he doesn't want to be. Government makes both victims and "criminals"* of us all. (*Legally not a crime cause the government says it's OK and all). |
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The grue lurks in the darkest places of the earth. Its favorite diet is adventurers, but its insatiable appetite is tempered by its fear of light. No grue has ever been seen by the light of day, and few have survived its fearsome jaws to tell the tale.
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Richy_T
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October 23, 2012, 02:29:05 PM |
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Are you this stupid, or just retarded?
If you don't want to pay taxes, you can move out in international waters. Problem solved. If you choose to live in a country, you have to obey the laws there. No one will force you to live in your country, unless it is North Korea. (On the other hand, there are probably no taxes in North Korea because everything already is owned by the state, so you may be happy there.)
Are you this stupid, or just retarded? |
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October 23, 2012, 02:35:11 PM |
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Let me ask you something: If a bunch of your neighbors got together and agreed, by majority vote, to take half of your money, and even wrote it down to be all official, would that make it alright?
That's called a Home Owner's Association. No, a home-owner's association is a group who has a contract for you to sign before you move in detailing things like how high you can let your grass grow, and what colors you can and can't use to paint your house. It's annoying, but it's voluntary. This is a group of your neighbors simply deciding that you have too much money, and need to share. |
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October 23, 2012, 03:03:36 PM |
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Let me ask you something: If a bunch of your neighbors got together and agreed, by majority vote, to take half of your money, and even wrote it down to be all official, would that make it alright?
That's called a Home Owner's Association. No, a home-owner's association is a group who has a contract for you to sign before you move in detailing things like how high you can let your grass grow, and what colors you can and can't use to paint your house. It's annoying, but it's voluntary. This is a group of your neighbors simply deciding that you have too much money, and need to share. If you do not sign, you cannot live there. It's quite topical. It's hardly voluntary when it is compulsory. |
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October 23, 2012, 03:12:29 PM |
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If you do not sign, you cannot live there. It's quite topical. It's hardly voluntary when it is compulsory.
I have not been present for the birth of a child in the US. Do they make them sign before or after the umbilical is cut? |
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October 23, 2012, 03:14:24 PM |
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If you do not sign, you cannot live there. It's quite topical. It's hardly voluntary when it is compulsory.
I have not been present for the birth of a child in the US. Do they make them sign before or after the umbilical is cut? By being born there, you are signing. Being born is a death warrant. And they make your parent sign for you on that nifty piece of paper called a birth certificate. |
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October 23, 2012, 03:15:52 PM |
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By being born there, you are signing.
Bullshit. |
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October 23, 2012, 03:16:33 PM |
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Citizenship at birth. Responsibilities and rights yada yada.
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October 23, 2012, 03:26:20 PM |
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Citizenship at birth. Responsibilities and rights yada yada.
But still no signature... You still haven't answered my question. Care to take a stab at it? |
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October 23, 2012, 04:31:13 PM |
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Citizenship at birth. Responsibilities and rights yada yada.
But still no signature... You still haven't answered my question. Care to take a stab at it? Which question was that? |
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October 23, 2012, 04:50:15 PM |
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But they are not taking half of their money. Only yours. You are not the only one who pays taxes.
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October 23, 2012, 04:53:55 PM |
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Please answer YES or NO:
If a bunch of your neighbors got together and agreed, by majority vote, to take half of your money, and even wrote it down to be all official, would that make it alright?
If your answer does not at least START with one of those two words, I will consider the answer to be "No, but I don't want to say that," and this conversation is over.
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October 23, 2012, 04:57:14 PM |
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No, that would be unacceptable because they are using majority rule, but not respecting the rights of the minority, as specified in the constitution.
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myrkul
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October 23, 2012, 05:03:23 PM |
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No, that would be unacceptable because they are using majority rule, but not respecting the rights of the minority, as specified in the constitution.
OK, first, reference the section of the constitution where that is specified. I have a paper copy, so you can simply tell me where, I can look it up myself. Second, how is a group of your neighbors deciding you have too much money any different from taxation? |
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October 23, 2012, 05:24:20 PM |
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That's like saying that if you choose to remain in the territory of a gang, you choose to be mugged every day.
Let me ask you something: If a bunch of your neighbors got together and agreed, by majority vote, to take half of your money, and even wrote it down to be all official, would that make it alright?
This is not about a bunch of neighbours or mob. This is about private property rights. A long time ago some king either fought for or more likely traded the land you live on. The deal was simple. He secured the land against threats from the outside, and often organized some form of security and justice on the inside, and your forefathers paid tax and had to serve in his army to protect all of the kings land. The king sold the rights to exclusive exploitation of parts of the land to inhabitants, including the right to tax people using it on top of the kings tax. But the king is still king, and everyone living on the king's land have to pay tax. Fast forward through revolutions and reform until today. You still live on the king's land. The laws are more formalized, and the king may be replaced with presidents and democracies and whatnot, but the principle stays the same. You have to respect the king's laws as long as you live on his land. Some commies, like you and Kim Il Jung, don't believe in property. I believe in property. And I can't understand how you can talk about theft if you don't respect property. Living on the king's land without paying the rent (tax) is theft. |
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October 23, 2012, 05:31:35 PM |
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Are you this stupid, or just retarded?
If you don't want to pay taxes, you can move out in international waters. Problem solved. If you choose to live in a country, you have to obey the laws there. No one will force you to live in your country, unless it is North Korea. (On the other hand, there are probably no taxes in North Korea because everything already is owned by the state, so you may be happy there.)
Are you this stupid, or just retarded? I am neither. I believe in the right to own property and in the rule of law. If you choose to live on a country's property, you have to pay the rent. Just as you can decide that other people living on your property should pay rent. If you want to buy the rights for making laws and taxing your property from the country it is in, you are free to try, but most countries' constitutions forbid selling that. It is their property and their choice. Why is this forum suddenly full of commies who argue against the right to property? |
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October 23, 2012, 05:36:31 PM |
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A long time ago some king either fought for or more likely traded the land you live on. The deal was simple. He secured the land against threats from the outside, and often organized some form of security and justice on the inside, and your forefathers paid tax and had to serve in his army to protect all of the kings land. The king sold the rights to exclusive exploitation of parts of the land to inhabitants, including the right to tax people using it on top of the kings tax. But the king is still king, and everyone living on the king's land have to pay tax.
It all sounds so nice and agreeable and friendly. The reality was that the king was a thug who took what he wanted because he could and your new kings are thugs wearing suits. |
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October 23, 2012, 05:38:02 PM |
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Some commies, like you and Kim Il Jung, don't believe in property. I believe in property. And I can't understand how you can talk about theft if you don't respect property. Living on the king's land without paying the rent (tax) is theft.
You know, I've been called a lot of things, but "commie" isn't usually one of them. Thanks, I needed the laugh. I don't live on the Kings land. I don't even live on the President's land. I live on my land. The idea that I should be paying taxes in order to live on land I own is ridiculous. |
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October 23, 2012, 05:38:14 PM |
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Why is this forum suddenly full of commies who argue against the right to property?
Nice try. |
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