Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread

[bct_ail]

What if his return makes him worse? I mean, that has happened often before. Someone comes back to his club and then the pressure is too much for the player.

With this in mind, you can then never sign a player basically There have been players in the past - Sternkopf and Deisler come to my mind - who folded under the pressure,

I was not referring to mental illness. I meant that sometimes the environment is not what it used to be.

Someone who comes into my mind when I think about this topic is Robert Enke. Can still remember how shocked I was when I heard about his suicide.

Oh yes, Robert Enke. That was 10 years ago last year. Even after all this time, I still feel sad when I read about it.

[Juggy777]

What if his return makes him worse? I mean, that has happened often before. Someone comes back to his club and then the pressure is too much for the player.

With this in mind, you can then never sign a player basically There have been players in the past - Sternkopf and Deisler come to my mind - who folded under the pressure, but in general you can expect pro footballers to deal ok-ish with all the pressure they have; at least performance-wise; what really goes on in their head, you will never know.

I once heard an interview from I think Per Mertesacker, who said, that even the best players are ultra nervous before matches and have to visit the bathroom frequently

@tyKiwanuka it’s pretty normal for a player to feel a bit nervous before the game starts, and that’s because they’re only humans after all, and it is these emotions that later on make them stronger on the pitch. Also many player’s have certain superstitions (rituals) too which they keep on doing for good luck, and again I would repeat that it’s normal for them to do it because even we do it when we’re under pressure.

Sources:

https://www.dw.com/en/superstitious-soccer-weird-rituals-on-the-football-pitch/a-44287460

[Shasha80]

What if his return makes him worse? I mean, that has happened often before. Someone comes back to his club and then the pressure is too much for the player.

With this in mind, you can then never sign a player basically There have been players in the past - Sternkopf and Deisler come to my mind - who folded under the pressure, but in general you can expect pro footballers to deal ok-ish with all the pressure they have; at least performance-wise; what really goes on in their head, you will never know.

I once heard an interview from I think Per Mertesacker, who said, that even the best players are ultra nervous before matches and have to visit the bathroom frequently

@tyKiwanuka it’s pretty normal for a player to feel a bit nervous before the game starts, and that’s because they’re only humans after all, and it is these emotions that later on make them stronger on the pitch. Also many player’s have certain superstitions (rituals) too which they keep on doing for good luck, and again I would repeat that it’s normal for them to do it because even we do it when we’re under pressure.

Sources:

https://www.dw.com/en/superstitious-soccer-weird-rituals-on-the-football-pitch/a-44287460

I agree that every player will feel nervous when the game starts, especially if they will face a stronger team. And every player has
his own way to overcome the nervousness that is faced, even we as supporter will feel nervous before our favorite team plays.
So imagine the players in the field are definitely far more nervous. Therefore feel nervousness is a normal thing, the most important
thing is we are able to control it so as not to disturb the game on the field.

[tyKiwanuka]

I was not referring to mental illness. I meant that sometimes the environment is not what it used to be.

Ok, I wasn't necessarily referring to mental illness (Deisler was probably a bad example, Sternkopf had no "real" mental issues I think, he just wasn't ready for it), but more to general mental pressure, with which players deal differently and I don't see Kruse having any problems at all in that regard.

But still the environment and dynamics in a club change all the time. You have new coaches, new players, new staff, maybe a new stadium, different status quo of the club in general, you will live in a different home than at your first stint etc. And here I think you will always have the risk of a player not working out - if it's a comeback at the club or the first time. So if you are too scared with this, then you can basically not sign any player ever

But then again you have players that just fit in a certain club or league. Schnatterer from Heidenheim wouldn't work anywhere else I think (we will never know) and a striker like Terodde is a super good player for 2. Bundesliga, but just can't get anything going in Bundesliga. I think it will be the same for Fabian Klos and am curious to see how he will do next season.

[bct_ail]

because they’re only humans after all,

But unfortunately many fans often don't understand that. It is not only the pressure before the game, but also during and after it. How many spectators insult a player because he simply doesn't score a goal today? How many media write very negatively about a player and thereby contribute to opinion? Of course the players are trained professional, but they are all humans and mistakes can happen.

[Lafu]

I was not referring to mental illness. I meant that sometimes the environment is not what it used to be.

Ok, I wasn't necessarily referring to mental illness (Deisler was probably a bad example, Sternkopf had no "real" mental issues I think, he just wasn't ready for it), but more to general mental pressure, with which players deal differently and I don't see Kruse having any problems at all in that regard.

But still the environment and dynamics in a club change all the time. You have new coaches, new players, new staff, maybe a new stadium, different status quo of the club in general, you will live in a different home than at your first stint etc. And here I think you will always have the risk of a player not working out - if it's a comeback at the club or the first time. So if you are too scared with this, then you can basically not sign any player ever

But then again you have players that just fit in a certain club or league. Schnatterer from Heidenheim wouldn't work anywhere else I think (we will never know) and a striker like Terodde is a super good player for 2. Bundesliga, but just can't get anything going in Bundesliga. I think it will be the same for Fabian Klos and am curious to see how he will do next season.

True on that , specialy for the example " Schnatterer from Hoffenheim " and the same was it in the past with Marek Mintal from Nürnberg !
But sometimes this changes can make the difference that the player will get out of his Ass and he get stronger and better, but depends on the team and all around the player.
Deislers problem was the lot of injuries he has got.

https://www.transfermarkt.de/sebastian-deisler/verletzungen/spieler/337

[casperBGD]

because they’re only humans after all,

But unfortunately many fans often don't understand that. It is not only the pressure before the game, but also during and after it. How many spectators insult a player because he simply doesn't score a goal today? How many media write very negatively about a player and thereby contribute to opinion? Of course the players are trained professional, but they are all humans and mistakes can happen.

yeah, but that kind of pressure is making them champions, isn't it?
i clearly doubt that a player with great fitness and skills could become champion, if he does not have that something in the head, that will made him to do the best at the most important moment, and do that many times, not just once, as many that strike superb on one ocassion and than nothing in the rest of career, would think on Karel Poborsky for example

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M4MjBpCUhiE

back to topic, there is a lot of difference between first and second league in any country, and player has to be ready to play with the best, that is why some players from Zweite division cannot play in Bundesliga

[bct_ail]

Hoffenheim has a new chef coach. It is Sebastian Hoeneß. He is the son from Dieter Hoeneß. His last station was Bayern Munich where he was the coach from the second team.
https://www.swr.de/sport/fussball/1899-hoffenheim/artikel-tsg-1899-hoffenheim-neuer-trainer-sebastian-hoeness-100.html

[Lafu]

Wow thanks for the News and Information on that @bct_ail !

After i have readed i just imagined whats going on when Byaern Munich plays against Hoffenheim and Hoffenheim win this game. LOL 
Guess and hopefully he will take the Team forward and get better as they already are.
Maybe we see some transfers from the second team from Bayern to Hoffenheim also ?

[bullrun2024bro]

Some fans might return to the Bundesliga stadiums sooner than later. Let's see what kind of health/corona concepts the 36 Bundesliga clubs will present on the extraordinary general meeting next Tuesday.

The DFL will meet next week (4 August) for an extraordinary general meeting of the 36 clubs in the Bundesliga and 2. Bundesliga in order to discuss a possible return of spectators to the stadiums in the 2020/21 season.

Source: https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1288053980430569472

[Lafu]

Some fans might return to the Bundesliga stadiums sooner than later. Let's see what kind of health/corona concepts the 36 Bundesliga clubs will present on the extraordinary general meeting next Tuesday.

The DFL will meet next week (4 August) for an extraordinary general meeting of the 36 clubs in the Bundesliga and 2. Bundesliga in order to discuss a possible return of spectators to the stadiums in the 2020/21 season.

Source: https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1288053980430569472

If it keeps going with new Infections in Germany and the whole World i guess they dont will make that happend that the Fans will get back into the Stadiums.
And if they allow that some fans can get in they maybe just let 1000 or 2000 in and this would be possible the VIP ones.
But you cant say at the moment realy anything , for sure it would be nice to have some fans in there but is that the right thing ?

[Darkoth89]

Some fans might return to the Bundesliga stadiums sooner than later. Let's see what kind of health/corona concepts the 36 Bundesliga clubs will present on the extraordinary general meeting next Tuesday.

The DFL will meet next week (4 August) for an extraordinary general meeting of the 36 clubs in the Bundesliga and 2. Bundesliga in order to discuss a possible return of spectators to the stadiums in the 2020/21 season.

Source: https://twitter.com/iMiaSanMia/status/1288053980430569472

If it keeps going with new Infections in Germany and the whole World i guess they dont will make that happend that the Fans will get back into the Stadiums.
And if they allow that some fans can get in they maybe just let 1000 or 2000 in and this would be possible the VIP ones.
But you cant say at the moment realy anything , for sure it would be nice to have some fans in there but is that the right thing ?

Weren't there already around 5000 fans in the stadium when Paris played against St. Etienne in the league cup final just a few days ago? They showed what is possible and I think that's the way things will be going: If any at all, we will start with a relatively small number of fans and then the official will decide step by step to increase the number of fans in the stadiums. No way is a full stadium at the beginning of the season in September going to happen like Union Berlin is planning it.

Ofc all this assuming the whole Corona situation won't get worse. If we see a second wave of infections after everyone is coming home from their summer holidays, the idea of letting fans return will be off the table quickly. Then we are talking about not even restarting/continueing the season. You can see it in Spain and Switzerland. If people get to careless it's always possible that virus can spread in a team. And then the whole schedule collapses like a house of cards.

[Soonandwaite]

Some fans might return to the Bundesliga stadiums sooner than later. Let's see what kind of health/corona concepts the 36 Bundesliga clubs will present on the extraordinary general meeting next Tuesday.

I hope that no spectators are admitted yet. First a vaccine has to be found. Otherwise there will be a corona escalation in the Bundesliga and in German cities. our health is more important than sports. and maybe there will be a vaccine for christmas from santa claus

[bct_ail]

If it keeps going with new Infections in Germany and the whole World i guess they dont will make that happend that the Fans will get back into the Stadiums.

I think so too. Now that the first holidaymakers are coming back and have tested positive for xxx and the number of cases in Germany is increasing, the authorities will certainly not allow fans in the stadiums.

[Captain Corporate]

 I realize that teams do make most of their money from the stadium tickets they normally sell, however we are talking about a situation that the modern world never had to endure, even in back in the days when something like this happened, the people didn't stayed at home as much as they did today and they just died or survived, today we are learning to stay at home and far away from each other. Long story short I believe teams could survive another year if they have to without any sort of ticket sales, they could just get increased amount of money from TV because everyone will be watching from their TV anyway.

 In any case we are talking about just one part of the situation, the fans, but think of players as well, when the whole country starts to go around however they want and fill the stadium thats going to have a huge affect and that affect could go outside and to families as well. All of this could cause the nation to have a lot of infected numbers which means they could totally close the league down once again if it gets out of hand. That would be even worse for the teams and that can't happen at all.

[AakZaki]

Hoffenheim has a new chef coach. It is Sebastian Hoeneß. He is the son from Dieter Hoeneß. His last station was Bayern Munich where he was the coach from the second team.

Seeing his age of 38 this is quite young for a coach. Statistics on FC Bayern II 38 matches lost 11 times, not bad enough. This season Hoffenheim is ranked 6th in the final standings. I'm not optimistic about this coach but let's see.

After i have readed i just imagined whats going on when Byaern Munich plays against Hoffenheim and Hoffenheim win this game. LOL 

Seeing the results of the match, in 29/2/2020 Hoffenheim vs Bayern 0-6. It's a bad result but I don't know for Hoffenheim with a new coach.

[bct_ail]

Hoffenheim has a new chef coach. It is Sebastian Hoeneß. He is the son from Dieter Hoeneß. His last station was Bayern Munich where he was the coach from the second team.

Seeing his age of 38 this is quite young for a coach.

The time of coaches in higher age is long gone. It's not only about experience, but also about goals and ambitions. How does the coach fit in with the club, how will he interact with the players...

So what do you think would be the right age for a coach?

[Lordhermes]

 I realize that teams do make most of their money from the stadium tickets they normally sell, however we are talking about a situation that the modern world never had to endure, even in back in the days when something like this happened, the people didn't stayed at home as much as they did today and they just died or survived, today we are learning to stay at home and far away from each other. Long story short I believe teams could survive another year if they have to without any sort of ticket sales, they could just get increased amount of money from TV because everyone will be watching from their TV anyway.

This is somewhat realizing to an extent that we think
German Bundesliga clubs, or rather German clubs as a whole gets their money from tickets but that's not true. Selling tickets brings about 30% of income to the clubs than what what signature companies brings, the jersey they wears with companies names sitting on chest pays too, in as much as clubs has an partnership with companies for promotion.

[Darkoth89]

This seasons isn't even completely over yet (UCL and Europa League) but I already wish the new season would start rather sooner than later. What I was wondering is if it's already possible to get the odds for the first coach to be sacked from somewhere?! I know the whole transfer market hasn't completely heated up and the teams have time till the 5th of October to improve their squads but I would really like to see how the bookies see the chances for the three candidates I have in mind:

David Wagner (FC Schalke 04)
The news around Schalke were all but good recently. Firstly they finished this current season with a record-breaking streak of 16 games without a win. If it weren't for the great first half of the season, they would have been in great danger of relegating. They only scored a total of 9 (!) goals in the second half of the season. Either David Wagner doesn't have a concept to play offensive or he is missing good strikers? Which brings us to next problem. The club has a mountain of debt!  Because they are so strapped for cash, they have introduced a salary cap. Just recently they had to get a guarantee from the federal state to get a new credit. New transfers, such as that of Alexander Schwolow from the SC, seem to depend on Schalke itself earning money through transfers: Rumors are Kabak to Liverpool, Mckennie to Southampton etc. If you have to sell your best players, have only a small budget and can't lure new players with a good salary, it's safe to say that next season is going to be a a herculean task for Wagner.

Markus Gisdol (1. FC Köln)
When Gisdol took over Köln you really saw that replacing the coach can bring a new spirit to the team. In a race to catch up he led Köln out of the relegation zone. But this run is over and the magic is gone. In the last 10 matches there wasn't a single win for Köln (6L-4D). This downtrend ended in the infamous 1-6 defeat against Bremen on the last matchday. I have my doubts that Gisdol can start another winning streak next season and honestly I see them as a big relegation candidate. And even though they just renewed the contract with Gisdol, it wouldn't surprise me if the officials at Köln decide to bet on another "coach-replacement-effect" if the new season starts like the old one has ended.

Heiko Herrlich (FC Augsburg)
The situation in Augsburg is also a bit heaten up. While the players were supposed to give up on part of their salary due to the Corona crisis, Augsburg reached deep into their pockets with the 7 m € transfer of Uduokhai. Also the "free" signings of Caliguri, Strobl and Gikiewicz were lured to Augsburg with high salaries. All this is causing unrest in the team. And the statistics for Herrlich aren't that good. Since he took over, Augsburg only won 2  of their 9 games. He can be credited that he had to start his time in Augsburg with the start of the Corona pause and it will be interesting to see if he can form the team with a longer preparation. But I think for Augsburg it will be a battle against relegation from the start.

[bct_ail]

Discussions about the return of spectators continue. One interesting point is how to avoid it becoming too crowded in front of the entrances. One consideration is to let the fans in blocks at certain times. What do you think about?

In den umliegenden Straßen, spätestens an den Stadiontoren selbst kann es vor Spielen eng werden, was möglicherweise durch einen zeitlich getakteten Block-Einlass entschärfbar wäre.

https://www.kicker.de/780685/artikel/bielefeld_ag_soll_fan_rueckkehr_pruefen