Germany League - Bundesliga Prediction Thread

[Jody.Drummer]

Dortmund always stays afloat because they not only sell but also buy young and promising players, they buy players with great potential and help them to open up. Of course Dortmund benefit from this, but I also see that they are not focusing on the fact that selling a few players will affect their results, because the main team stays and brings new players to their usual level. It's not only Dortmund that does this, and if this model works for them, then they will use it.

That is definitely true. As far as i know Borussia Dortmund is a club that is financially very healthy nowadays. They don't have debts like Real Madrid, FC Barcelona and also most english Clubs. The only Club that is healthier in terms of financials is Bayern Munich.
So in terms of finances Dortmund is doing the right thing in buying young and promising players and then sell them for huge money if they are developing great.
The problem is, that you will never become a absolute top club that way. For that you need to keep your best players.

There's nothing really wrong with what Borussia Dortmund did and it's perfectly legal. But like you said, they're not going to be an absolute top club when doing something that requires them to start from the bottom again. Let's say they have a strong team foundation to maintain balance when they lose their valuable players, but they can only be at that level forever because to get other great players they have to build again from the bottom. It's another case when they have players who are ready to fight, it will benefit them and in terms of playing they will definitely continue to improve.

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[marcous]

That is definitely true. As far as i know Borussia Dortmund is a club that is financially very healthy nowadays. They don't have debts like Real Madrid, FC Barcelona and also most english Clubs. The only Club that is healthier in terms of financials is Bayern Munich.
So in terms of finances Dortmund is doing the right thing in buying young and promising players and then sell them for huge money if they are developing great.
The problem is, that you will never become a absolute top club that way. For that you need to keep your best players.

Statistically, in the Bundesliga, Dortmund remains a strong challenger to Bayern Munich in the title race, much like Real Madrid and Barcelona in La Liga. In fact, this season they narrowly missed out on winning the Bundesliga due to goal difference, which ultimately granted the title to Munich. Over the past nine years, Dortmund has consistently finished in the top four, except for the 2014-2015 season when they finished in seventh place. These statistics at least help Dortmund avoid the label of being a "selling club."

Regarding the sale of star players and acquiring talented ones, I believe all teams make efforts to retain their star players. Sometimes, high offers from other teams can make management reconsider selling their assets. From the players' perspective, they might also consider joining other top teams for various reasons, such as higher wages, seeking new experiences, and achieving individual milestones that they can attain by joining clubs in more competitive leagues like the English Premier League.

[sana54210]

Don't you realize that in every transfer window at the start of the season, Dortmund always sells its star players, but the fact is that Dortmund can always be Bayern Munich's toughest competitor in the Bundesliga. With that said, the departure of a key Dortmund player whether it's financially beneficial or not, I think it's still profitable for Dortmund because they've always done that. But one thing we have to remember is how much Dortmund has sold its key players, but Dortmund will also be able to compete in the race for the Bundesliga title.

Dortmund always stays afloat because they not only sell but also buy young and promising players, they buy players with great potential and help them to open up. Of course Dortmund benefit from this, but I also see that they are not focusing on the fact that selling a few players will affect their results, because the main team stays and brings new players to their usual level. It's not only Dortmund that does this, and if this model works for them, then they will use it.

If they can keep doing that then it's a good idea but how long could they do that for? I do not think that it would be a smart decision. I think it would be good to sell those players but then they need to build a very young squad to keep repeating that.

Getting a 30 year old to replace the 20 year is a horrible decision and they have done so a few times before. Just because the player they got is great, doesn't change the fact that they are old, it could be even a better player, but still old. They need to get someone maybe even worse, but someone at max 20 years old, that way they can improve the player and then play at UCL and make them worth a lot more and sell them again, that way they can keep making a profit, that's a lot better.

[Awaklara]

That is definitely true. As far as i know Borussia Dortmund is a club that is financially very healthy nowadays. They don't have debts like Real Madrid, FC Barcelona and also most english Clubs. The only Club that is healthier in terms of financials is Bayern Munich.
So in terms of finances Dortmund is doing the right thing in buying young and promising players and then sell them for huge money if they are developing great.
The problem is, that you will never become a absolute top club that way. For that you need to keep your best players.

Statistically, in the Bundesliga, Dortmund remains a strong challenger to Bayern Munich in the title race, much like Real Madrid and Barcelona in La Liga. In fact, this season they narrowly missed out on winning the Bundesliga due to goal difference, which ultimately granted the title to Munich. Over the past nine years, Dortmund has consistently finished in the top four, except for the 2014-2015 season when they finished in seventh place. These statistics at least help Dortmund avoid the label of being a "selling club."

Regarding the sale of star players and acquiring talented ones, I believe all teams make efforts to retain their star players. Sometimes, high offers from other teams can make management reconsider selling their assets. From the players' perspective, they might also consider joining other top teams for various reasons, such as higher wages, seeking new experiences, and achieving individual milestones that they can attain by joining clubs in more competitive leagues like the English Premier League.

however, players who have great potential and are still young will be attractive to other big clubs. this is a competition as well as a business. Dortmund has been running this for a long time. and as a consequence, they are not strong enough to compete with Munich who have dominated the Bundesliga for so long.
Dortmund look comfortable with what they are doing at the moment. but do not know whether the business they are running by selling their best players will continue to do so. however, the Bundesliga is also not as competitive as the Premier League. and it becomes an attraction for young players to try the tougher competition.

[Docnaster]

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Dortmund seems priority with the money than winning tittle on every season, looks with current transfer players Dortmund leave by many star player every season and selling them with higher values make them earn much profit for every season. Dortmund have balanced with business but looks they can't dominance for winning Bundesliga on every season.

No one was surprised by the statement and in fact, Dortmund openly do their business every transfer window comes around. Maybe what makes me a little confused is whether these Dortmund fans have never protested against the club owner's policy of always selling their star players when they are a little closer to winning the Bundesliga title if these players can last longer at Signal Iduna Park. We know very well that so far Dortmund has been very smooth in doing its business and has always generated hundreds of millions of euros every season.

For some seasons now Dortmund haven't won The Bundesliga title and it's due to the lack of potential players capable of overthrowing Bayern Munich who has been their greatest rival of all season. In the case of players-trade, I don't think Fans will remain mute for this long if the club had another lucrative source of generating income. The fans Believe it's their only way of keeping the club going. It isn't their joy that they keep selling star players, Dortmund doesn't have any other reliable sources of income than trading with players.

[sokani]

Dortmund is one club that's known for profiting from the sales of young players. Over the years we have seen them recruit young talents and sold them at a very good price. Dembele, Aubameyang, Sancho, Haaland etc are just few of many players they have profited from. Maybe as long as it is good business at they end of the day the management is okay with it and trophies are given less importance. Because I don't see how a team that wants to compete at the highest level, at the highest competitions and win silvawares have a tradition of selling it's brightest talents. If they don't change from their habit, Dortmund will have no place in europe and Germany.

[klidex]

That has even happened a long time ago, even though Dortmund have been able to perform well in every season even though they couldn't become champions, they have consistently been at the top of the Bundesliga in the last few seasons and can compete strictly on the European stage, it's just too bad that this team is not really built to be a champion.
What happened last season was very disappointing, only a little away they could become champions but had to fail in front of their own supporters.

For next season, I think Dortmund will not change, they will still be Bayern's shadow.

Maybe next season there will be a very significant difference for the Dortmund team, because they still have the motivation and enthusiasm to fight to become champions in the Bundesliga. But Dortmund is expected to be able to close the gap for Bayern Munich so that Dortmund will no longer be a shadow of Bayern Munich next season. And I'm sure Dortmund will be able to do very well next season if Dortmund still have very high consistency to win the Bundesliga.

As long as Borussia dortmund is able to consistently have no desire to win the Bundesliga I think it is very easy for Borussia dortmund to compete with Bayern munchen.
Actually it was very easy for dortmund to shift defending champion Bayern munchen but dortmund's strategy was a little less precise in its last match.
I only hope that Borussia dortmund will try to survive without selling their best players and become new history to become Bundesliga champions in the new season.

[Lafu]

It isn't their joy that they keep selling star players, Dortmund doesn't have any other reliable sources of income than trading with players.

They have no other option for selling the star players as other clubs give them much more money that cant Dortmund affort.
Dortmund has also some nice sponsors and they allways getting some extra when they playing in the Champions League.
Buit yes the most Money and income are for selling players , its sad but they have to doing it.

[BALIK]

They are not going to improve as a club and not going to be a desirable destination for great players if they do not change their approach. And I understand that in the end, a club has to think about money. But the problem with Dortmund is that they are only thinking about money. And they are not going to do very well with that mentality. It would have been good to even see if they actually invested that money into making a really good squad. But they don’t do that as well. The sad part is that they know this very well, but they do not want to do anything about it. They just want to keep doing what they are doing.

In general, I wonder how Borussia Dortmund manages to remain among the leaders of German football with such tactics of the annual sale of their leaders. On the other hand, after all this, it is not at all surprising that Bayern Munich has been consistently becoming Bundesliga champions year after year for the past eleven years. And even when Bayern Munich seems to be handing the title into the wrong hands, as this season, Borussia Dortmund is not able to take this title and take the decisive step.

Bayern Munich is the strongest team in the Bundesliga. Because they have a lot of money, they form the best squad in the Bundesliga every season. And as a result every season we see the dominance of Bayern Munich. Dortmund may have played well this season. Even then I would say that they don't have a stable squad to win the title. Also, this club forms teams with young players. Despite being able to perform well, the squad lacks experienced players. When a player becomes experienced, the Dortmund management makes money by selling him. If Dortmund's ownership changes or Dortmund gets a better sponsor. Then maybe they will form a strong squad. and will compete with Munich for the title.

While it is accurate to say that Bayern Munich has dominated the Bundesliga for many seasons blaming their success purely on money ignores the complex dynamics of football. While having a stable financial situation can help when building a great team it does not ensure ongoing success. Dortmund, on the other hand has adopted a different strategy putting an emphasis on developing young players and encouraging a particular style of play. With Dortmund frequently pressuring Bayern and generating thrilling football this tactic has produced encouraging results. Dortmund places a strong emphasis on youth development which promotes long term sustainability even though they may not have the same financial clout. Dortmund may improve their team even further and possibly challenge Bayern dominance with the appropriate ownership and sponsorship demonstrating that success is not just based on financial strength but rather a combination of strategic planning talent development and team harmony.

Dortmund and Bayern Munich have completely different strategies and plans. Bayern Munich aims to build a strong squad and win titles. Not only in the Bundesliga, Bayern Munich also wants to dominate the Champions League. For this reason, they are also ready to spend a lot of money. On the other hand, Dortmund's goal is to produce players. They often buy young players from the Eredivisie League and develop them with more experience. And in this task the Dortmund management is successful. Dortmund has produced several star players. But if the Dortmund management is financially strong, maybe they will also want to dominate the Bundesliga.

[hahay]

It isn't their joy that they keep selling star players, Dortmund doesn't have any other reliable sources of income than trading with players.

They have no other option for selling the star players as other clubs give them much more money that cant Dortmund affort.
Dortmund has also some nice sponsors and they allways getting some extra when they playing in the Champions League.
Buit yes the most Money and income are for selling players , its sad but they have to doing it.

But, even though it is clear that Dortmund only wants to do this, but Dortmund has loyal supporters and/or fans. I think that's a great thing, because normally fans will ask for the club to focus on winning titles and not just focus on making money from player sales. I don't know how long this practice will continue to be carried out by Dortmund because of course, if Dortmund continues to do this then Bayern Munich's dominance in the Bundesliga will certainly be difficult to stop.

[rahmad2nd]

Don't you realize that in every transfer window at the start of the season, Dortmund always sells its star players, but the fact is that Dortmund can always be Bayern Munich's toughest competitor in the Bundesliga. With that said, the departure of a key Dortmund player whether it's financially beneficial or not, I think it's still profitable for Dortmund because they've always done that. But one thing we have to remember is how much Dortmund has sold its key players, but Dortmund will also be able to compete in the race for the Bundesliga title.

How can you compete? Bayern Munich have won the Bundesliga 11 times in a row since 2013. From here it is very clear that Dortmund is a business club and prioritizes business and profit above all. It's different from the team in the EPL who can balance business and the quality of their team.

Dortmund seems to prefer to focus on business only and is not so ambitious in pursuing the Bundesliga trophy. Apart from the gap that occurred between Dortmund and Bayern Munich. On the other hand, Bayern Munich is too OP in the German league and it's difficult to just compete with them. This season, Dormunt was able to compete with Bayer Munchen and even almost won the championship, although in the end it failed, even that because Bayer Munchen was inconsistent again. this is the same as PSG in the French league. This dominance is too high, making clubs like Dortmund think realistically and prefer to stay in their comfort zone rather than having to compete tooth and nail against Bayern Munich's domination in the Bundesliga.

Interesting. how do Dortmund compete in the competition for trophies, I don't think that's the scenario. the point is, Dortmund is targeting to finish in the top 4 of the Bundesliga. plus, they will automatically follow the Champions League competition. well, if they have an opportunity like this season, Dortmund will not waste it to stop Bayern Munich's dominance. despite the fact, they failed to win a trophy. but if the opposite happens, it means that Dortmund can break the dominance that has been held by Bayern Munich. unfortunately, Bayern were too strong and are still going strong in the next few seasons to dominate the Bundesliga. except, if they experience a downward trend like this season. which ultimately opens up opportunities for the team under them to compete strictly in the race for the trophy.

Well, because what we are discussing is related to the sale of players carried out by Dortmund. it seems, @hahay's point is that Dortmund are still competing at the top of the Bundesliga, even though they have released several important players in the transfer window. but uniquely, it does not affect the team in every new competition. why is it unique, because Dortmund were still able to finish in the top 4 even though they played young players as substitutes for players who had left. by the way, I've said it a lot in many posts, so we agree that Dortmund focus on business and not be so ambitious in the race for trophies.

[Ayers]

It isn't their joy that they keep selling star players, Dortmund doesn't have any other reliable sources of income than trading with players.

They have no other option for selling the star players as other clubs give them much more money that cant Dortmund affort.
Dortmund has also some nice sponsors and they allways getting some extra when they playing in the Champions League.
Buit yes the most Money and income are for selling players , its sad but they have to doing it.

But, even though it is clear that Dortmund only wants to do this, but Dortmund has loyal supporters and/or fans. I think that's a great thing, because normally fans will ask for the club to focus on winning titles and not just focus on making money from player sales. I don't know how long this practice will continue to be carried out by Dortmund because of course, if Dortmund continues to do this then Bayern Munich's dominance in the Bundesliga will certainly be difficult to stop.

I really think that the supporters of Dortmund should actually push them to go for trophies at this point. Otherwise, they are going to do the same thing again and again. I actually feel sorry for the fans because if the clan is not interested in winning why are they even supporting them? Is it worth watching the games and paying the ticket bills, if Dortmund is not actually aiming to win trophies? I personally don’t think so.

And yes, if they do not change their tactics Bayern Munich is certainly going to be having longer reign on the Bundesliga title this season there was a great chance for Dortmund. Only if they were interested in winning trophies.

[borovichok]

It isn't their joy that they keep selling star players, Dortmund doesn't have any other reliable sources of income than trading with players.

Borussia Dortmund manager Edin Terzi is in ideal positions to achieve his objectives, but the board keeps releasing key players, jeopardizing the club's chances of winning the Bundesliga. If one can recurred the club's past and present deals, they sold out talented players who, if present in the club at the time, would most likely have a different story. Borrusia Dortmund are more concerned with trophies; they need to start winning titles because it's becoming clear that they produce their funds by transferring their talented and promising players to outstanding teams, which is a huge loss on their part.

[len01]

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And yes, if they do not change their tactics Bayern Munich is certainly going to be having longer reign on the Bundesliga title this season there was a great chance for Dortmund. Only if they were interested in winning trophies.

from the previous two seasons Dortmund were closer to Bayern Munich and this could be a sign that Dortmund already seems to have the desire to get a trophy this new season.
maybe a lot of Dortmund fans hope that their favorite team can rise to an amazing history in the summer with the trophies they can get.

but to be honest I'm a little doubtful about all of this because Dortmund lost some of their best players.

[Leviathan.007]

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Economically speaking, the transfer policy and style of Borussia Dortmund has been very profitable to the club's management and that I think has been the reason why they've been repeatedly selling their best players during the transfer windows.
However, I think it's high time they begin to allow their best player to remain at the club for a longer time and help the club win major football trophies. Bayern Munich's dominance in the German Bundesliga is as a result Dortmund's transfer policy

It looks like if Dortmund are able to retain their best players I think it will not be difficult for Dortmund to dominate matches in the Bundesliga but the question is whether Dortmund can retain their best players? while there are lots of rumors that Dortmund still want to sell their best players like Bellingham.
not sure in this summer whether Dortmund can dominate the bundesliga or even just finish as runner up again. but even being runner up is a bit tough.

That's not about Bellingham or Haaland the last season that's about the Borussia Dortmund business they have, Dortmund is a team that grows young talents and then they sell these players to earn money. I think this if they change their plan any time soon.

[snipie]

from the previous two seasons Dortmund were closer to Bayern Munich and this could be a sign that Dortmund already seems to have the desire to get a trophy this new season.
maybe a lot of Dortmund fans hope that their favorite team can rise to an amazing history in the summer with the trophies they can get.

but to be honest I'm a little doubtful about all of this because Dortmund lost some of their best players.

The tactic used by Arsenal in the past and currently by Dortmund and Leipzig is fruitful for these teams since it keeps their business running smoothly with a good reward. Prizes come in a second position when you see what they are doing.
For Dortmund, they are counting on Bayern Munich mistakes to compete them. I would like to imagine them playing with Haaland in the team this finished season, would the end be the same?

[Strongkored]

It isn't their joy that they keep selling star players, Dortmund doesn't have any other reliable sources of income than trading with players.

Borussia Dortmund manager Edin Terzi is in ideal positions to achieve his objectives, but the board keeps releasing key players, jeopardizing the club's chances of winning the Bundesliga. If one can recurred the club's past and present deals, they sold out talented players who, if present in the club at the time, would most likely have a different story. Borrusia Dortmund are more concerned with trophies; they need to start winning titles because it's becoming clear that they produce their funds by transferring their talented and promising players to outstanding teams, which is a huge loss on their part.

When Dortmund failed to win the Bundesliga last season, I don't think it was entirely because they let go of their stars because at that time Jude Bellingham was still with them, it's just that he had an injury that prevented him from playing, so that was one of the reasons for the defeat, and it is also undeniable that the player Bayern Munich are stronger mentally when under pressure, the experience of winning back to back with a couple same squad gives them that advantage.
Selling stars looks like Dortmund will continue to do so, maybe for them, the money made from selling their stars is more lucrative than the money made if they become champions, and their business has been like that for a long time, even when they didn't want to sell their stars, the players who being targeted by the club is very likely to leave if there is a more tempting offer with the certainty of getting a title while playing for a big club like Real Madrid.

[arimamib]

That's not about Bellingham or Haaland the last season that's about the Borussia Dortmund business they have, Dortmund is a team that grows young talents and then they sell these players to earn money. I think this if they change their plan any time soon.

They will not change their plans for the upcoming season. Dortmund will still be looking to make huge profits in each transfer window so it would be no surprise for them not to sell their star player. Their strength is often unstable in every season because even this season some of their important players have left and that is something that strengthens us if Dortmund will have difficulty winning the title next season.

But I am impressed with Dortmund talent scouts because they are very professional in bringing in talented players so they only need to polish their quality in 1 or 2 seasons until they become star players who are the target of big European clubs.

[Leviathan.007]

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If Dortmund's ownership changes or Dortmund gets a better sponsor. Then maybe they will form a strong squad. and will compete with Munich for the title.

I am not convinced the board of directors and the players are prepared to compete with everything they have against Bayern Munich. They're generating huge profits from the market by selling promising players to elite teams, and what strikes me is that they're still outperforming everyone else. Borrusia Dortmund will only win the Bundesliga if they learn to keep their talented players without triggering a sell clause. I understand that every club needs income to produce and establish their club, but not at the expense of their success; selling and accomplishing second-place results means nothing.

With the situation we see in Bundesliga in the last year,  Bayern Munich is going to win the titles without a problem and they are still the first hope for winning the title in the next season mostly because other teams can't invest much as they can do and in the other hand, Dortmund prefers to sell players and earn money instead of racing with  Bayern Munich for the title.

[AHOYBRAUSE]

~snip~
If Dortmund's ownership changes or Dortmund gets a better sponsor. Then maybe they will form a strong squad. and will compete with Munich for the title.

I am not convinced the board of directors and the players are prepared to compete with everything they have against Bayern Munich. They're generating huge profits from the market by selling promising players to elite teams, and what strikes me is that they're still outperforming everyone else. Borrusia Dortmund will only win the Bundesliga if they learn to keep their talented players without triggering a sell clause. I understand that every club needs income to produce and establish their club, but not at the expense of their success; selling and accomplishing second-place results means nothing.

With the situation we see in Bundesliga in the last year,  Bayern Munich is going to win the titles without a problem and they are still the first hope for winning the title in the next season mostly because other teams can't invest much as they can do and in the other hand, Dortmund prefers to sell players and earn money instead of racing with  Bayern Munich for the title.

All the time I read about Dortmund "prefers" to sell players to make money? Where do you guys come up with this idea?
They don't choose to do this, they just don't have another chance.
Star players that get developed in Dortmund almost always want to change the club once the teams with big names and/or big budgets come knocking.

Look at the recent history. Dembele went to Barcelona and forced his way out, BVB wanted to keep him. Haaland got a HUGE offer from Man City, BVB tried to give him a new contract but for obvious reason he left. But at least he fought until the last game and left on a good note.

Sancho went to Manchester, also for the big money, BVB tried to keep him but no chance.

Bellingham, they also tried to keep him but he chose to go to Madrid, also to earn a lot of money.

All these players went to big names in European football. All got paid huge contracts and BVB tried to keep all of them but had no chance in doing so.
So please refrain from posting these untrue ideas. BVB has 4 goals every season, none of them is selling players. They play for the championship, try to qualify for the champions league and want to win the cup. The last one is staying in the campions league as long as possible but knowing it's almost impossible to win it.