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Author Topic: [ESHOP launched] Trezor: Bitcoin hardware wallet  (Read 966226 times)
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August 04, 2014, 04:39:06 PM
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Ideally for privacy your pool would send each new payment to the next public address in the sequence so that every address gets one single payment.  But, of course, this only works if your pool supports sending payments to the deterministic public address sequence.

Yes, this is be possible. Instead of filling bitcoin address, user will put his xpub (master public key of his mytrezor account) and pool will generate unique address for every payout. I have it already in pool's todo, right now we're finalizing new pool website (finally Smiley, then we will add features like this.

I'm glad to learn you're still putting effort and energy to back the slush's pool dev. It's not something the I would have taken for granted, especially if you take into account all the efforts you've put into the Trezor project

Keep up the good work.

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August 04, 2014, 04:45:55 PM
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Would anyone consider selling me a first edition metal trezor still in the package? If so pm me.

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August 04, 2014, 04:48:11 PM
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Would anyone consider selling me a first edition metal trezor still in the package? If so pm me.
Everyone I personally know that got a metal trezor ripped that sucker open the second they got it.

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August 04, 2014, 04:49:33 PM
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Would anyone consider selling me a first edition metal trezor still in the package? If so pm me.
Everyone I personally know that got a metal trezor ripped that sucker open the second they got it.

Yep. Its a long shot I know.

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August 04, 2014, 04:50:53 PM
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I'm glad to learn you're still putting effort and energy to back the slush's pool dev. It's not something the I would have taken for granted, especially if you take into account all the efforts you've put into the Trezor project

Pool has its own development team and I'm supervising them. There's a lot of effort behind the scene and there's bunch of new features coming very soon. The last thing they're working on now is new website, which offer such features to users...

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August 04, 2014, 05:33:21 PM
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First batch of TREZORs from eshop orders are on their way to happy owners! ;-)

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August 04, 2014, 05:40:53 PM
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Woohoo... got my tracking number!  Smiley  Looking forward to this. Thanks for all your hard work on this guys!
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August 04, 2014, 06:12:42 PM
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First batch of TREZORs from eshop orders are on their way to happy owners! ;-)

Just got the tracking number as well! Thank you.

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August 04, 2014, 07:29:12 PM
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Would anyone consider selling me a first edition metal trezor still in the package? If so pm me.

I know someone who still has it mint, I guess. I don't have contact details, but will ask him to contact you on the next bitcoin meetup. he always is present there Smiley
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August 04, 2014, 07:42:02 PM
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Would anyone consider selling me a first edition metal trezor still in the package? If so pm me.

I know someone who still has it mint, I guess. I don't have contact details, but will ask him to contact you on the next bitcoin meetup. he always is present there Smiley

Thanks!

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August 04, 2014, 07:45:12 PM
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First batch of TREZORs from eshop orders are on their way to happy owners! ;-)

Mine was shipped too. Where there any first editions in that orders? Wink

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August 04, 2014, 08:57:48 PM
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Mine was shipped too. Where there any first editions in that orders? Wink

No Sad. We still have few First edition replacement pieces for RMA purposes and we'll eventually offer them for sale, too. But not yet.

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August 04, 2014, 09:20:45 PM
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First batch of TREZORs from eshop orders are on their way to happy owners! ;-)

Ordered one today, now in transit already:)

On Aug. 4, 2014, 11:44 a.m.: Order created
On Aug. 4, 2014, 12:21 p.m.: Payment of 0.2032 BTC received.
On Aug. 4, 2014, 12:35 p.m.: Order being processed
On Aug. 4, 2014, 7:24 p.m.: Order shipped with tracking number RRxxxxxxxxx
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August 04, 2014, 10:47:35 PM
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First batch of TREZORs from eshop orders are on their way to happy owners! ;-)

Mine was shipped too. Where there any first editions in that orders? Wink

nope Smiley

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August 04, 2014, 10:50:52 PM
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First batch of TREZORs from eshop orders are on their way to happy owners! ;-)

Mine was shipped too. Where there any first editions in that orders? Wink

nope Smiley

It was a long shot anyway.

I am actually very pleased with the speed of the order processing! Good job guys.

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August 04, 2014, 11:03:40 PM
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Perhaps direct entry of paper wallets into the Trezor is the most secure method of inputting rather than trying to get a secure channel outside of it.

I think I may have even come up with a way to do it with just the 2-buttons and keep number of key presses down to a minimum. I thought of it while thinking about old computer games when I was a kid. Not as simple as typing on a computer but still simple like programming a tv remote perhaps?

Turn them into codes and provide a nice clear cheat sheet:
The Trezor button are L/left and R/right

(I put 4-length codes but I'm sure it's higher, hopefully you can figure out a scheme that keeps the length short)

Backspace:
L L L L  

1 = R R L L
2 = R R R L
....
A = L R L L
..
Z = R L R R

ENTER/EXIT:
R R R R

Then when at the private key entry screen on the Trezor and you can see your progress as you punch in the codes. When they are done they will just start pressing  R. The screen could also provide visual clues as to what x/4 they are on.


It still requires time but at least once someone entered a few they would probably go pretty quick. Better than cycling through every digit.
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August 04, 2014, 11:34:33 PM
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Perhaps direct entry of paper wallets into the Trezor is the most secure method of inputting rather than trying to get a secure channel outside of it.

To enter pure hexa, i.e. 1-9A-F, you need just four keypresses, but for backspace and enter you would need more. The problem is that this does not work for Trezor. Trezor does not store a single address, so no single address can be imported. Trezor stores master seed for deterministic wallet hierarchy. The good news is that this is much better/secure than a single address. The bad news is that your paper wallet cannot be input.

It would be possible to provide entropy using the two buttons. If you did it in binary, it would be just 256clicks. The problem is that human is not good at providing random binary sequences. I think that guessing 256 human provided clicks is really hard, but trust me: The entropy provided by the computer is a better quality. Unless you use dice/coin for each bit. But if you do use coin, the process would take long and no sane person would do it.
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August 04, 2014, 11:39:30 PM
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Trezor does not store a single address, so no single address can be imported. Trezor stores master seed for deterministic wallet hierarchy.
I don't think anyone is asking for private key import.  What they want is have the BTC swept from the entered private key on to the next available address in the deterministic sequence of the Trezor.  Once the sweep is complete then the imported private key is thown away.

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August 04, 2014, 11:48:46 PM
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Trezor does not store a single address, so no single address can be imported. Trezor stores master seed for deterministic wallet hierarchy.
I don't think anyone is asking for private key import.  What they want is have the BTC swept from the entered private key on to the next available address in the deterministic sequence of the Trezor.  Once the sweep is complete then the imported private key is thown away.

But what is the advantage of entering the key into trezor instead of directly into the web interface. Once the whole key is entered the address is sweapt within seconds (I assume) so even if an attacker was infiltrating the PC, no harm could be done.

Am I wrong?

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August 04, 2014, 11:49:04 PM
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Am I wrong?

Yes, you are wrong. The moment you give your private key away, the malware might be faster than your intended software doing the sweep. Example: malware monitors all text inputs for Bitcoin addresses and when it sees one it immediately uses it. Sweeping software waits for you to press Enter or OK button. :-)

So people finally realized that paper wallets are fine until one wants to actually spend them?  Tongue

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