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[tokeweed]

Most teams will show their new car during February, that much is known. However we need to actually see them running, they need to be tested to see actually what happens. I mean don't get me wrong the style of the car matters a lot, an ugly car usually doesn't really impact that much but marketing is very important in this sport and without those cars getting attention, we are not going to get too much money. Remember those pink bwt cars? Most people hated them for a while, then it grew on us right? So marketing is important but not really "that" important.

We know how black and silver Mercedes will be, and how red bull colors for red bull, those are all known. The only important thing is, these cars have a brand new design and that could change a lot of things or maybe not change anything at all, we need to see that and figure out who will be what.

According to Domenicali who is now the boss of F1 under Liberty Media and who knows all the projects he said

"2 cars are not following the other cars project and we can have a BrawnGp case next year".

It means 2 cars or better 4  will be different from the pack and it will probably be a huge advantage or a disadvantage, we don't know yet who they are.

I think I know.  If it’s two teams developing their cars differently then who really owns two teams running side by side in F1 right now?  Red Bull.  It has Red Bull Racing and its sister team Alpha Tauri.  And Adrien Newey is a genius.  If there’s an engineer who’s going to pull of something like this it’s him.  He prolly found his own way with how the aero should be with these new cars’ specs.  

Another team that could go about car development differently could be Williams since they have a group of people running the team who are really new to F1.  But who could the other team be?  And I’m most excited about Williams this coming season btw.

Edit:  Could one of those teams be Williams?  I just found out that Jenson Button is a special advisor for the team.  Button was Brawn GP’s driver who won the championship.  Hmmm...

[Cnut237]

Red Bull Racing [...] Adrien Newey is a genius.  If there’s an engineer who’s going to pull of something like this it’s him.  He prolly found his own way with how the aero should be with these new cars’ specs.  

[...]

 Could one of those teams be Williams?  I just found out that Jenson Button is a special advisor for the team.  Button was Brawn GP’s driver who won the championship.  Hmmm...

I'd definitely agree about Adrian Newey, if someone has found a better way to do something, then it's more than likely to be him.

Not sure about Button. I think the reference to Brawn is that we could have a runaway team 'like Brawn were', not someone using the same technical approach as Brawn did, simply some team, any team, being a runaway leader in interpreting the regs. Button may be a link back to Brawn, but I don't think he'd have the same level of expertise and insight as a genuine specialist.

[coinlocket$]

We have an update for the 1st race of the season.

As you may know, we will race in Australia and it will be required a vaccine to be able to go there (Djokovic case).

Now I don't know if we have any Novax drivers but if we have he will be not able to race the 1st race of the season.


The vaccine is a must in Australia it doesn't matter if you had covid in recent times.

[LTU_btc]

We have an update for the 1st race of the season.

As you may know, we will race in Australia and it will be required a vaccine to be able to go there (Djokovic case).

Now I don't know if we have any Novax drivers but if we have he will be not able to race the 1st race of the season.


The vaccine is a must in Australia it doesn't matter if you had covid in recent times.

I'll correct you , Australia will be round 3, season will start in Bahrain and 2nd round in Saudi Arabia.
Whole Djokovic story is embarrassing and IMO decision not to let him play is political, considering that he had Covid recently and was eligible for exception.
I don't know whether all F1 drivers are vaccinated or not. If someone isn't, probably he will be replaced by reserve driver. But considering that more countries enforcing mandatory vaccination, probably drivers will have no other choice than take vaccine.

[bestcoins1]

Casey Stoner is still the only rider to win the MotoGP title with Ducati. The winner of two premier class titles can explain why there is no longer a champion driver from the manufacturer Borgo Panigale.

Ducati has been trying hard to get its second rider title in the premier class since Casey Stoner's success as world champion in the 2007 MotoGP season.

In recent years, Andrea Dovizioso and, in the 2021 season, Francesco Bagnaia have come close to matching Stoner's feat, but have always fallen short of a few points to seal success.

This makes Stoner highlight the problem of the lack of consistency of the Desmosedici motorbike and the racers. "For a while now they have almost got a very complete package and reached the finish," he said.

“But then a follow-up question arises: which Ducati rider was the fastest and at which weekend? We should have seen more consistency.

"It's very important to have a bike that works on all tracks. But every manufacturer has a problem. For every bike, there are good and bad tracks. But at certain circuits and with certain styles of racing, it becomes a problem for Ducati," Stoner added.

He further explained that it is very important to have a bike that can work on all tracks. But what is equally important is consistency.

“You need a little more consistency. The motor should be easier to ride under certain conditions. But they (Ducati) are always close. Of course, they can win the championship," said Stoner.

Last season, Yamaha's Fabio Quartararo collected the most points. According to Stoner, it is the fruit of the Japanese manufacturer has managed to put together a good package over the years.

"They (Yamaha) had a very good year. Their packs are hard to beat. Then there is (Marc) Marquez. It's hard to beat him and Honda, as long as he's fit. So, everything must be in perfect harmony. And that's hard sometimes."

Source: motorsport.com
Source: https://www.instagram.com/sport.zone_id/

[Koal-84]

Casey Stoner is still the only rider to win the MotoGP title with Ducati. The winner of two premier class titles can explain why there is no longer a champion driver from the manufacturer Borgo Panigale.

Ducati has been trying hard to get its second rider title in the premier class since Casey Stoner's success as world champion in the 2007 MotoGP season.

In recent years, Andrea Dovizioso and, in the 2021 season, Francesco Bagnaia have come close to matching Stoner's feat, but have always fallen short of a few points to seal success.

This makes Stoner highlight the problem of the lack of consistency of the Desmosedici motorbike and the racers. "For a while now they have almost got a very complete package and reached the finish," he said.

“But then a follow-up question arises: which Ducati rider was the fastest and at which weekend? We should have seen more consistency.

"It's very important to have a bike that works on all tracks. But every manufacturer has a problem. For every bike, there are good and bad tracks. But at certain circuits and with certain styles of racing, it becomes a problem for Ducati," Stoner added.

He further explained that it is very important to have a bike that can work on all tracks. But what is equally important is consistency.

“You need a little more consistency. The motor should be easier to ride under certain conditions. But they (Ducati) are always close. Of course, they can win the championship," said Stoner.

Last season, Yamaha's Fabio Quartararo collected the most points. According to Stoner, it is the fruit of the Japanese manufacturer has managed to put together a good package over the years.

"They (Yamaha) had a very good year. Their packs are hard to beat. Then there is (Marc) Marquez. It's hard to beat him and Honda, as long as he's fit. So, everything must be in perfect harmony. And that's hard sometimes."

Source: motorsport.com
Source: https://www.instagram.com/sport.zone_id/

But in my opinion, Ducati hasn't had a "real" world champion on the bike in recent years who could be a threat to Marc Marquez. Dovizioso is a very good rider but for me not a world champion, Lorenzo had the bike very well under control at the end (Lorenzo always needed some time) and I think he could have fought for the title with another year, but it was different.

Now it looks different to me, Bagnaia is the favourite for next year for me, he is also clearly stronger than Miller, which was not really to be expected.

[bestcoins1]

But in my opinion, Ducati hasn't had a "real" world champion on the bike in recent years who could be a threat to Marc Marquez. Dovizioso is a very good rider but for me not a world champion, Lorenzo had the bike very well under control at the end (Lorenzo always needed some time) and I think he could have fought for the title with another year, but it was different.

Yes, For Lorenzo it would have been better if he had wanted to stay at Ducati for another year at that time, but that was only a short history for him because he had a rush to move to Honda at that time which ended in retirement.

Now it looks different to me, Bagnaia is the favourite for next year for me, he is also clearly stronger than Miller, which was not really to be expected.

A little correction from me "not next year, but this year".
For Bagnaia I am also very optimistic that this year he will try his best to continue to improve at the start of the season until the end of the season, because in general he has learned everything from Ducati last year.

[Jackl87]

We have an update for the 1st race of the season.

As you may know, we will race in Australia and it will be required a vaccine to be able to go there (Djokovic case).

Now I don't know if we have any Novax drivers but if we have he will be not able to race the 1st race of the season.

The vaccine is a must in Australia it doesn't matter if you had covid in recent times.

Interesting to know and at least everyone is informed now in time in order to make the decision to get vaccinated in order to be able to race or not. I don't even now if there are any drivers or important crew members of the teams that are not vaccinated. I also saw today that the track in Australia got a rework. Australia was not a very exciting track in the past in my opinion (still better than Monaco though lol), so let's see if the modification makes it more interesting to watch and to drive. They posted a teaser video today and in about 3 days they are posting a video of a full lap on the new modified course. This also means that Michael Schumachers lap record for the old layout will never be broken.

[tokeweed]

Red Bull Racing [...] Adrien Newey is a genius.  If there’s an engineer who’s going to pull of something like this it’s him.  He prolly found his own way with how the aero should be with these new cars’ specs.  

[...]

 Could one of those teams be Williams?  I just found out that Jenson Button is a special advisor for the team.  Button was Brawn GP’s driver who won the championship.  Hmmm...

I'd definitely agree about Adrian Newey, if someone has found a better way to do something, then it's more than likely to be him.

Not sure about Button. I think the reference to Brawn is that we could have a runaway team 'like Brawn were', not someone using the same technical approach as Brawn did, simply some team, any team, being a runaway leader in interpreting the regs. Button may be a link back to Brawn, but I don't think he'd have the same level of expertise and insight as a genuine specialist.

But here’s the thing, Jenson Button has the experience acquired from Brawn GP and from working with the man himself.  So he prolly knows a thing or two in what Brawn did differently in that championship winning year.  2009 was it?  I mean what else would Williams hire him for iin an advisory role if not for his experience.     

And we should also be aware that William’s team is composed of the so called ‘super team’ at WRC who has recently just transitioned to F1.  So if there’s a team who’ll most likely think outside the box, it’s them.  But yeah, Newey is def guy no. 1.

[Cnut237]

But here’s the thing, Jenson Button has the experience acquired from Brawn GP and from working with the man himself.  So he prolly knows a thing or two in what Brawn did differently in that championship winning year.  2009 was it?  I mean what else would Williams hire him for iin an advisory role if not for his experience.   

But the task here isn't developing a car to best exploit the 2009 regulations, it's developing a car to best exploit the 2022 regulations. So the specific stuff they did back in 2009 isn't relevant any more, and I'm sure every team is already well aware of what Brawn did back then in any case.


 

And we should also be aware that William’s team is composed of the so called ‘super team’ at WRC who has recently just transitioned to F1.  So if there’s a team who’ll most likely think outside the box, it’s them.

Yes, that's a good point.

[Luzin]

But in my opinion, Ducati hasn't had a "real" world champion on the bike in recent years who could be a threat to Marc Marquez. Dovizioso is a very good rider but for me not a world champion, Lorenzo had the bike very well under control at the end (Lorenzo always needed some time) and I think he could have fought for the title with another year, but it was different.

Now it looks different to me, Bagnaia is the favourite for next year for me, he is also clearly stronger than Miller, which was not really to be expected.

Yep, I was very impressed with the performance of their three riders. I agree with you that Ducati is the favourite for this year. Maybe I prefer Bagnaia. Although all three riders from ducati last year have the same opportunity.

If the Ducati continues to improve and the rider's performance does not decline I think that's the rational reason they can win the world championship. But Yamaha are also favourites, but last year they were very dependent on Quartararo.

[sana54210]

We have an update for the 1st race of the season.

As you may know, we will race in Australia and it will be required a vaccine to be able to go there (Djokovic case).

Now I don't know if we have any Novax drivers but if we have he will be not able to race the 1st race of the season.

The vaccine is a must in Australia it doesn't matter if you had covid in recent times.

I'll correct you , Australia will be round 3, season will start in Bahrain and 2nd round in Saudi Arabia.
Whole Djokovic story is embarrassing and IMO decision not to let him play is political, considering that he had Covid recently and was eligible for exception.
I don't know whether all F1 drivers are vaccinated or not. If someone isn't, probably he will be replaced by reserve driver. But considering that more countries enforcing mandatory vaccination, probably drivers will have no other choice than take vaccine.

I feel like it was not "political" but also a bit political. I feel like it was more about "if we let him come, then how could we tell no to others?" type of situation. Yes, he could have went there and had an exception and he could have played and maybe even win, and he is taken out of that contention because of legality and that is why I would say it was definitely political, after all it is the politicians that decide this.

However, I also give them pass for this one case since it also means that if they let him come, then ordinary people who will not be playing tennis professionally will say "if djokovic can come, why can't I?" and that becomes even a bigger problem. Racers, drivers, team members, everyone needs to be vaccinated in order to go there, that should happen, OR nobody should be asked, it is either that or the other, you can't just let some in and keep some out, that's unfair.

[LTU_btc]

I feel like it was not "political" but also a bit political. I feel like it was more about "if we let him come, then how could we tell no to others?" type of situation. Yes, he could have went there and had an exception and he could have played and maybe even win, and he is taken out of that contention because of legality and that is why I would say it was definitely political, after all it is the politicians that decide this.

However, I also give them pass for this one case since it also means that if they let him come, then ordinary people who will not be playing tennis professionally will say "if djokovic can come, why can't I?" and that becomes even a bigger problem. Racers, drivers, team members, everyone needs to be vaccinated in order to go there, that should happen, OR nobody should be asked, it is either that or the other, you can't just let some in and keep some out, that's unfair.

You have good point. Probably this story have no solution where everyone would be happy. It's crazy how this Covid stuff divided our society into two sides.

I also saw today that the track in Australia got a rework. Australia was not a very exciting track in the past in my opinion (still better than Monaco though lol), so let's see if the modification makes it more interesting to watch and to drive. They posted a teaser video today and in about 3 days they are posting a video of a full lap on the new modified course. This also means that Michael Schumachers lap record for the old layout will never be broken.

Wasn't track were already ready to use for 2021 season? I think they made this in 2020, I doubt that all this work took so long to be done. Australia wasn't most exciting track, but also wasn't very bad, it will be interesting to see modified track in action.

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I'll correct you , Australia will be round 3, season will start in Bahrain and 2nd round in Saudi Arabia.

Oh, right I forgot they changed the order some years ago and now they will start in the middle east.
You right.

Anyway, more countries will follow the "Australia" rule, more tournaments for example can ban Djokovic I've read about Spain and it will probably applied in F1 too.

[bestcoins1]

Yep, I was very impressed with the performance of their three riders. I agree with you that Ducati is the favourite for this year. Maybe I prefer Bagnaia. Although all three riders from ducati last year have the same opportunity.

At Ducati there are a lot of young riders who will be competing in this season and it has to be really consistent because Ducati has also provided some factory spec bikes for their satellite team in this season.
Although there are several motorbikes with last year's specs like the one that will be used by Enea Bastianini, but it will also not be bad for ducati and the Gresini Racing team in general.

If the Ducati continues to improve and the rider's performance does not decline I think that's the rational reason they can win the world championship. But Yamaha are also favourites, but last year they were very dependent on Quartararo.

Last year Yamaha was very lucky by winning all racing sports events in all classes and also all categories so it is natural to be reckoned again for this season, even though if you look at the engine power, Yamaha is still inferior to Ducati.

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Actually the problem of the tire grip besides the quality of the rider, the quality of the tires and the engine all have an influence for a good grip. Since MotoGP has decided on one type of tire supplier, namely Michelin, it's a bit boring. The racing team only determines the tire compound and cannot choose other tires. Maybe Dorna is on purpose for justice, but this makes the race a bit less exciting than it used to be with two competitors Michelin and Bridgestone.

That's right, in the past when the rules or regulations regarding the supply of tires were not made singularly, the competition between the teams that used Michelin and Bridgestone looked so exciting that anyone could judge it very well where the manufacturers using the Inline4 configuration engine were more suitable for using the tires Bridgestone instead of Michelin as it is now.

[justdimin]

F3 Asia has started. There are few f2 racers there getting drivers license points as well. Most of the racers are from regular f3 as well. It is not really super fun to watch but it is also not horrible to watch neither.

It reminded me a bit of indycar to be fair with the cars being so close to each other at all times, it really comes down to the drivers talents when the cars are that close, and we all know that the drivers have a big gap in talent at that level because some of them are there for fun while some of them are at the top of level they could ever reach.

It is really not too entertaining to watch to be fair but at the same time shows you the brilliance of f1 drivers as well.

[coinlocket$]

Mario Isola has spoken.
According to him, he is the Pirelli man for Formula 1, we are going for races with only 1 change of tires.

This is crucial, if we end with a low possibility of overtaking with the new cars the races will be even more boring without the suspense and the possible chaos generated from the pit box.

https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-2022-rischio-gare-sosta-unica-mario-isola-pirelli-601593.html

[laurenB7742]

Mario Isola has spoken.
According to him, he is the Pirelli man for Formula 1, we are going for races with only 1 change of tires.

This is crucial, if we end with a low possibility of overtaking with the new cars the races will be even more boring without the suspense and the possible chaos generated from the pit box.

https://www.formulapassion.it/motorsport/formula-1/f1-2022-rischio-gare-sosta-unica-mario-isola-pirelli-601593.html

You are right. The thrilling events like overtaking and maybe sometimes crashing keep the audience lively and on their toes in terms of watching F1.

If you take these events out of the equation, F1 becomes very boring and it will affect the sport directly in my opinion.
So I have to say that I'm not a big fan of this as if things go to a place where overtakes don't take place, I for myself can say that I wouldn't enjoy racing as much as I do right now.

[Iranus]

F3 Asia has started. There are few f2 racers there getting drivers license points as well. Most of the racers are from regular f3 as well. It is not really super fun to watch but it is also not horrible to watch neither.

It reminded me a bit of indycar to be fair with the cars being so close to each other at all times, it really comes down to the drivers talents when the cars are that close, and we all know that the drivers have a big gap in talent at that level because some of them are there for fun while some of them are at the top of level they could ever reach.

It is really not too entertaining to watch to be fair but at the same time shows you the brilliance of f1 drivers as well.

You are right. But it's also not good to expect the quality of F1 at F3. F1 has the budget and the best racers compared to F3.
As you said, F3 is somewhat alike Indycar so I think we should watch F3 with the expectation that we'll get to see almost the same-like cars and almost same-skilled drivers.

But one thing is that since the cars are almost the same, drivers get a chance to showcase their raw driving talent and that's something that I enjoy.