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[Captain Corporate]

I agree that it was mainly ferarri pit wall that screwed that race, it was obvious but in F1 that happens constantly and not a unique situation neither. I have to say there are some situations where we have seen mercedes screw up as well, like look at last years monaco and how they had to park the car last year? That is why I have to say that this isn't really a screw up by the team alone and that was a proof that they are terrible. It just shows that this one was their problem for that race, but next race they could do something marvelous and that would be awesome for them. We really do not know what will happen next, just because of one bad race.

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[Velvet78]

By the way there is not much time left for the next race in Azerbaijan. This is one of the beloved tracks by many people in Formula 1. I also like the track a lot and it is thankfully not as boring as the Monaco track too. I just want to see a tough competition among the drivers and many overtakes. The Monaco GP wasn't able to give that to us of course but the Azerbaijan GP can. My favourite driver to win the race here is Charles Leclerc. I expect him to take the pole position as well.

[AndySt]

If Sebastian Vettel was racing just for money, he would do everything he can not to lose his place in Ferrari. He had a quite big yearly salary at Ferrari as far as I can remember now. He must be earning 40 million dollars per year then. But now he is earning even less than the half of that money, 15 million dollars. He still wants to be a part of this sport by racing for another team. He is having big problems with the car at Aston Martin for now but he must be still enjoying his time in F1.

The situation was embarrassing for Ferrari and Leclerc. If you can remember they were touching the car in almost every race. They could not be in the same team anymore, and they just fired him.

Oh, yes, the strongest was left in the team to improve the psychological climate It is necessary to feel the difference and if for Ferrari 40 million wages is not such a significant amount, then for Aston Martin and 15 million are a significant amount, so the doubts of the team are quite understandable when there is a choice to put more money into the salary of a famous champion in the past or to put more money to strengthen their car. Especially when this famous champion in the past does not give the return that the team would like to see for this money, so such doubts are quite appropriate. By the way, Ferrari's situation with Leclerc also occurred largely due to the fact that Vettel no longer felt that former champion confidence.

[alegotardo]

If Sebastian Vettel was racing just for money, he would do everything he can not to lose his place in Ferrari. He had a quite big yearly salary at Ferrari as far as I can remember now. He must be earning 40 million dollars per year then. But now he is earning even less than the half of that money, 15 million dollars. He still wants to be a part of this sport by racing for another team. He is having big problems with the car at Aston Martin for now but he must be still enjoying his time in F1.

Vettel and many of those drivers who already have a lasting career in F1 already have money for the rest of their lives and also to deliver a good life for their children even after death.
I'm sure Vettel is no longer racing just for money at this stage he's in, he's racing because he couldn't find the same adrenaline rush in any other sport, he loves F1 and a team where he feels comfortable is much more important than the money.
But it has to be a team where he still has a chance to reach the podium.

[Davian144]

I think it is very natural that Nakagami did not get any sanctions for this incident because this was purely an accident not intentional or contact with other drivers so that this accident occurred. Nakagami lost his balance at the first corner, causing him to fall and hit two other drivers.
and unfortunately from this incident Alex Rins who got a slight injury to his arm that made him most likely to miss the Sachsenring race next June 19, I really regret if Rins is absent at this circuit, because the character of this circuit is very suitable for Rins' racing style which is very possible to he can perform optimally after getting bad results in the previous few races.

And it could be that if it's just a minor injury or fracture of the bone in his arm, it's very likely that Alex Rins can appear in the next race in Germany because considering this week there is a race break for MotoGP. So that Alex Rins can rest to recover his arm before the race takes place the following week.

I'm also against high penalties for racing accidents, but in Nakagami's case it's just that he's pushed Rins out of two races in a row with aggressive manoeuvres. A repeat offender could be given a light penalty, for example 3 places back on the grid for the next race. That wouldn't be a big penalty, but it would also be a way of saying that it doesn't OK what he do.

For this I completely agree with what you said because such a light punishment will also not harm Nakagami in the next race so there will not be much criticism for him from other people, considering this was an accident that cost two people and one of them was Alex Rins.

[Cnut237]

By the way there is not much time left for the next race in Azerbaijan. This is one of the beloved tracks by many people in Formula 1. I also like the track a lot and it is thankfully not as boring as the Monaco track too. I just want to see a tough competition among the drivers and many overtakes. The Monaco GP wasn't able to give that to us of course but the Azerbaijan GP can. My favourite driver to win the race here is Charles Leclerc. I expect him to take the pole position as well.

I think I'd expect the same pattern we are seeing for most of the season to continue... Leclerc takes pole with the fastest single-lap car, and then Verstappen wins the race with the fastest full-race-distance car. I expect Mercedes to struggle again, and be fighting for P5 or P6 at best, unless Sainz or Perez mess up - which has been known to happen in the past.

What RB and Ferrari really need is a strong second driver, so they can dominate the other team and force them on pit strategy... but Sainz and Perez aren't good enough.

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^  But remember, at Monaco Verstappen was worse than Perez at FP1, FP2, FP3, qualifying and the race.  Perez on the other hand has had decent results at Azerbaijan with having a couple of podiums when he was at Force India and on top of my head, a win last year with his current team.  So thinking about it, Perez could still the show again.

But then again Ferrari should be fighting back here.  And it was partly the wet track that messed up their weekend.  If it was  under dry conditions, Leclerc would've won it easy. 

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JACK MILLER IS BACK IN THE RED BULL KTM ORANGE FOR MOTOGP™ 2023 AND 2024

Jack Miller will return to the Red Bull KTM Factory Racing family for the next two years. The Australian is reviving several previous alliances after he last starred on a KTM machine as runner-up to the Moto3™ world championship in 2014.

The 27-year-old lines-up next to Brad Binder and will run his ninth and tenth season in the premier class on the KTM RC16 after signing a contract which once again sees him in Red Bull KTM Factory Racing colours. Miller will reconnect with Francesco Guidotti after working with the current Red Bull KTM Factory Racing Team Manager for three of his eight years in MotoGP. _{Source: https://www.ktm.com/en-gb/racing/racing-news/jack-miller-back-in-red-bull-ktm-orange-for-2023-and-2024-motogp.html}

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JACK MILLER IS BACK IN THE RED BULL KTM ORANGE FOR MOTOGP™ 2023 AND 2024

Jack Miller will return to the Red Bull KTM Factory Racing family for the next two years. The Australian is reviving several previous alliances after he last starred on a KTM machine as runner-up to the Moto3™ world championship in 2014.

The 27-year-old lines-up next to Brad Binder and will run his ninth and tenth season in the premier class on the KTM RC16 after signing a contract which once again sees him in Red Bull KTM Factory Racing colours. Miller will reconnect with Francesco Guidotti after working with the current Red Bull KTM Factory Racing Team Manager for three of his eight years in MotoGP. _{Source: https://www.ktm.com/en-gb/racing/racing-news/jack-miller-back-in-red-bull-ktm-orange-for-2023-and-2024-motogp.html}

Jack Miller was not able to give his best performance at the factory Ducati until they did not renew his contract at Ducati, I think it is a pity for Jack Miller who was not able to be a rider with many podium finishes even though he has used a very competitive factory Ducati bike..

but Jack Miller return to Red Bull KTM after a long time is not a bad thing, now the Orange manufacturer has started to develop well from year to year and with Jack experience in the MotoGP class it is possible for him to be able to provide many positive things for tim Red Bull KTM in the next season.

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Riccardo may join Aston Martin at the end of the season when Vettel will probably retire from Formula 1.

What do you think?

[LTU_btc]

Riccardo may join Aston Martin at the end of the season when Vettel will probably retire from Formula 1.

What do you think?

I really don't know what to think about it. Shortly, after Red Bull, his career isn't going as expected. He wen't down to Renault what was bad step in his career. In Mclaren things is also far from perfect. Move to Aston Martin wouldn't be something special, but probably not bad decision for both sides.

[AndySt]

By the way there is not much time left for the next race in Azerbaijan. This is one of the beloved tracks by many people in Formula 1. I also like the track a lot and it is thankfully not as boring as the Monaco track too. I just want to see a tough competition among the drivers and many overtakes. The Monaco GP wasn't able to give that to us of course but the Azerbaijan GP can. My favourite driver to win the race here is Charles Leclerc. I expect him to take the pole position as well.

I think I'd expect the same pattern we are seeing for most of the season to continue... Leclerc takes pole with the fastest single-lap car, and then Verstappen wins the race with the fastest full-race-distance car. I expect Mercedes to struggle again, and be fighting for P5 or P6 at best, unless Sainz or Perez mess up - which has been known to happen in the past. What RB and Ferrari really need is a strong second driver, so they can dominate the other team and force them on pit strategy... but Sainz and Perez aren't good enough.

I would not say that, for example, Perez is not good enough, otherwise Red Bull hardly preferred to extend the contract with him recently and again left such a racer as Gasly in Alfa Tauri. Another question is that Perez has not yet earned such authority in the face of Red Bull bosses as Verstappen has, and therefore, other things being equal, when the team needs to bet on a particular rider, then the bet will be made on Verstappen, of course. Therefore, I would still take my time with such words about the co-drivers of the leading teams, because if the pace of Perez is clearly higher than that of Verstappen as in Monaco and beyond, then a lot of people will have to change their point of view.

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Jack Miller was not able to give his best performance at the factory Ducati until they did not renew his contract at Ducati, I think it is a pity for Jack Miller who was not able to be a rider with many podium finishes even though he has used a very competitive factory Ducati bike..

Ducati has many other young riders now so it won't be a loss if you have to release Jack Miller to another team next year because Jack Miller's consistency at Ducati at this time I see is still losing to the young riders who are on the Ducati Satellite team at this time.

but Jack Miller return to Red Bull KTM after a long time is not a bad thing, now the Orange manufacturer has started to develop well from year to year and with Jack experience in the MotoGP class it is possible for him to be able to provide many positive things for tim Red Bull KTM in the next season.

Actually this is good news for the KTM team because it can get Jack Miller who has been on the Ducati Satellite team and also on the Ducati factory team for two years so that the KTM team itself can get a little reference from Jack Miller for the KTM RC16 engine next season.

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1   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m45.476s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m45.603s
3   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m45.810s
4   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m46.012s
5   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m46.517s
6   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m46.667s
7   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m46.696s
8   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m46.705s
9   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m46.830s
10   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m46.917s
11   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m47.691s
12   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m47.847s
13   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m47.946s
14   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m47.970s
15   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m48.078s
16   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m48.222s
17   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m48.419s
18   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m48.810s
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m50.921s
20   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m58.332s

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1004921/1/f1-2022-azerbaijan-grand-prix-free-practice-results-1


1st hour completed, to mee it seems that RBR wil lhave no opponents this weekend.

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1   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m45.476s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m45.603s
3   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m45.810s
4   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m46.012s
5   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m46.517s
6   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m46.667s
7   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m46.696s
8   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m46.705s
9   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m46.830s
10   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m46.917s
11   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m47.691s
12   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m47.847s
13   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m47.946s
14   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m47.970s
15   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m48.078s
16   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m48.222s
17   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m48.419s
18   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m48.810s
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m50.921s
20   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m58.332s

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1004921/1/f1-2022-azerbaijan-grand-prix-free-practice-results-1


1st hour completed, to mee it seems that RBR wil lhave no opponents this weekend.

The fast parts of the track are bigger than the technical side from what I saw here and it is exactly because of this that Redbull who happens to carry the maximum top speed is using it as an advantage over their opponents.We have to wait until the final free practice to judge a bit better but still Ferrari should use the strategy to their advantage and what is the most important thing is that they should start to improve their tire management as in this track the management of the tires will play a crucial role being a long track.

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1   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m45.476s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m45.603s
3   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m45.810s
4   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m46.012s
5   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m46.517s
6   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m46.667s
7   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m46.696s
8   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m46.705s
9   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m46.830s
10   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m46.917s
11   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m47.691s
12   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m47.847s
13   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m47.946s
14   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m47.970s
15   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m48.078s
16   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m48.222s
17   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m48.419s
18   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m48.810s
19   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m50.921s
20   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m58.332s

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1004921/1/f1-2022-azerbaijan-grand-prix-free-practice-results-1


1st hour completed, to mee it seems that RBR wil lhave no opponents this weekend.

I'm back and forth for this GP.  Lol.  The books has Verstappen as the favorite but we know the best car out there with the best power unit are the Ferraris.  And Leclerc is a good driver.  And on the other hand, there's Perez, who seems to do well in this circuit as said in my post prior.  Let's see what happens by FP3.  It's Leclerc then Perez 1 - 2 after 15 mins at FP2...  Can't wait for the results in this one.

From what I can remember Verstappen to win is at 2.10, Leclerc at 2.75 and Perez at 6.25 or something.  And it's looking like he's flipping the script on Verstappen. 

[Cnut237]

I'm back and forth for this GP.  Lol.  The books has Verstappen as the favorite but we know the best car out there with the best power unit are the Ferraris.

Do we? I'm pretty sure that in general the fastest car in qualifying set-up is the Ferrari, and the fastest car in full-race pace is the Red Bull. There will be fluctuations from circuit to circuit of course, but if Perez can get that close to Leclerc in FP2, after beating him in FP1, then it's quite an ominous sign that the RBs will dominate here.

Mercs nowhere again, as expected. Nice to see Alonso up in fourth in FP2 ahead of Sainz - still got it.

[DukeNickle]

I have seen both of the practice sessions and it looks like this time we might have a Red Bull domination in this race. But I'm predicting this depending on the performances so far of course. Everything can change in a short time. The qualifying session is going to carry a big importance as we are able to see many different results there. I think Sainz can improve his performance in that session much more than this. He would fight hard for gaining a place in top three in the qualifying. For the race, I think Leclerc will win.

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I've missed the second hour so IDK how they were going.

In the 1st hour, we got around 10km/h as the difference in top speed between RBR and Ferrari.



Second-hour results.

1   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m43.224s
2   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m43.472s
3   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m43.580s
4   Fernando Alonso   ESP   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m44.142s
5   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m44.274s
6   Pierre Gasly   FRA   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m44.315s
7   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m44.458s
8   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m44.567s
9   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m44.609s
10   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m44.771s
11   Sebastian Vettel   GER   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m44.781s
12   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team   1m44.874s
13   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m44.874s
14   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m45.059s
15   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m45.115s
16   Guanyu Zhou   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Orlen   1m45.264s
17   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   Haas F1 Team   1m45.588s
18   Alexander Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m46.397s
19   Mick Schumacher   GER   Haas F1 Team   1m46.425s
20   Nicholas Latifi   CAN   Williams Racing   1m47.218s

Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1004959/1/f1-2022-azerbaijan-grand-prix-free-practice-results-2

[Koal-84]

Riccardo may join Aston Martin at the end of the season when Vettel will probably retire from Formula 1.

What do you think?

That would definitely be possible, somehow Vettel also seems to have lost the motivation a bit, so a resignation can't be ruled out.

What still surprises me at the moment is Perez, who is still a real competitor to Leclerc and Verstappen, the duel seems to turn into a three-way fight.