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[wiss19]

^  There were things going on behind the scenes that we're not privy to.  There were some write ups about the whole thing that said Perez admitted that he deliberately 'got an accident' in Monaco last season at Q3 denying Verstappen of his last run making a possible pole.  Perez got pole and won the race.  

In the team radio when Verstappen's race engineer said that he had to let Perez pass, Verstappen said something like 'we already talked about this before and I'm taking my stand.'...  Something like that.  Even the race strategist or Horner won't even force the issue.  So something really must have happened.

To be fair, Perez is a great friend to have when you are driving for the title, and he is one of the main reasons why Max even got his first title. It's fine if he wants to act like this, Max is entitled to do whatever he wants, it's his decision and nobody could force him to do anything else.

But, when the time comes and he needs help from Perez and Perez just guns it and not cares? Then Max shouldn't cry about it, or if Perez needs to hold someone off, like he did with Hamilton, then he could just let them get away, then Max shouldn't cry about it neither. Because if he doesn't help Perez get second position, then in that case Perez doesn't need to help Max win anything neither, that's as simple as that.

[Davian144]

I didn't hear this. But that is the right of every racing team. I also don't know how the regulations that Dorna set out on this matter. But actually this is not a big problem. As long as the classification is met and still within the limits of the rules made I don't think it will put other racing teams at a disadvantage. Perhaps this is also because Ducati is releasing a new Aerodynamics for the season.

The spectators really consider this as normal and not a problem, but for each team that is developing new things in the tests and their developments are photographed by the media and then published through the media. In fact, this has provided an opportunity for other teams to copy it, so previously several manufacturers agreed not to allow media crews to enter certain areas of the circuit. Because they just want to develop things comfortably without anyone copying them before the season starts. And this has been posted by several local media that I read.

[tokeweed]

^  There were things going on behind the scenes that we're not privy to.  There were some write ups about the whole thing that said Perez admitted that he deliberately 'got an accident' in Monaco last season at Q3 denying Verstappen of his last run making a possible pole.  Perez got pole and won the race.  

In the team radio when Verstappen's race engineer said that he had to let Perez pass, Verstappen said something like 'we already talked about this before and I'm taking my stand.'...  Something like that.  Even the race strategist or Horner won't even force the issue.  So something really must have happened.

I think these are only rumors and I think that they clarified the behavior between the two drivers themselves.I think that there will be no such scenarios unless Perez deliberately crashes on Max during some race,however I don't see this happening,they have clauses in their contract and I don't think Perez would let himself to be known for a bad person and to leave that memory for himself,if he cannot win the Championship himself I think he will not interfere into Max fight for the title if Max will find himself fighting for the third consecutive title in F1,for me there is a big difference in drivers quality between Max and Checo,I am not talking about the human side of each one,that is a different story.

Of course not cos even thinking about it would be dumb.  If Perez deliberately crashes on Verstappen during a race, I'm pretty sure Perez will be given the sack the next say and his reputation is shot.  Who would ever give him a drive if he deliberately crashes on his team mate for his personal gain?

And what I'm just saying is Verstappen prolly had valid reasons for being an asshole.  Be it the Monaco event or something else, Verstappen looked like he was really mad at Perez at the time.

[swogerino]

^  There were things going on behind the scenes that we're not privy to.  There were some write ups about the whole thing that said Perez admitted that he deliberately 'got an accident' in Monaco last season at Q3 denying Verstappen of his last run making a possible pole.  Perez got pole and won the race.  

In the team radio when Verstappen's race engineer said that he had to let Perez pass, Verstappen said something like 'we already talked about this before and I'm taking my stand.'...  Something like that.  Even the race strategist or Horner won't even force the issue.  So something really must have happened.

I think these are only rumors and I think that they clarified the behavior between the two drivers themselves.I think that there will be no such scenarios unless Perez deliberately crashes on Max during some race,however I don't see this happening,they have clauses in their contract and I don't think Perez would let himself to be known for a bad person and to leave that memory for himself,if he cannot win the Championship himself I think he will not interfere into Max fight for the title if Max will find himself fighting for the third consecutive title in F1,for me there is a big difference in drivers quality between Max and Checo,I am not talking about the human side of each one,that is a different story.

Of course not cos even thinking about it would be dumb.  If Perez deliberately crashes on Verstappen during a race, I'm pretty sure Perez will be given the sack the next say and his reputation is shot.  Who would ever give him a drive if he deliberately crashes on his team mate for his personal gain?

And what I'm just saying is Verstappen prolly had valid reasons for being an asshole.  Be it the Monaco event or something else, Verstappen looked like he was really mad at Perez at the time.

I think yes that would be the case if he behaves like this but if for example these two drivers are found in a middle of mischief during a multiple car accidents Perez can then deliberately crash on Verstappen and claim he didn't see his team mate in the middle of such big accidents.I know that these type of accidents rarely happen but when they do and if you find yourself in the middle of such accidents they can as well ruin your title fight,give you a psychological blow so that you are not giving your 100% anymore and this may as well happen to Verstappen,it will be interesting to see the relations between these two team mates during the new season which starts in one month and a bit.

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The season is unofficially started!



Alpha Tauri started some laps with a 2021 car.

I don't know the regulation about this, welcome back F1

Soruce: https://twitter.com/AlphaTauriF1/status/1617840204043411457

[tygeade]

I am not entirely sure how that would work. I mean the track is basically out of the stadium, paddock being in, pit stops? The walking distance, the gap between engineers and drivers, and people not watching the race mostly?

I get that there is a stadium there, but the whole race won't be there, and if you put the paddock in there, it is still not going to be acceptable levels of distance, it has to be right on the middle of the track to make it reasonable. I am not saying this won't happen, Americans are weird in a way to want to make things bigger, when in fact just making it according to usual regulations would be enough, so they may do it, but I honestly hope they won't.

Paddock is usually located in other side of pits and garages. So, that's prety much location of that stadium.
What is weird for us, is completely normal for Americans. And seems that they're trying to bring more American culture to F1. And some things looks cringe.

The weird thing about F1 getting more and more American, is the fact that they managed to get a lot more viewers. This doesn't mean that the quality went up, maybe it did or maybe it didn't but the fact is that there are more viewers than previously since the owner change.

This is why I believe that we are going to get even better f1 results in the future, and more money, and more success, and better cars etc etc, but for that to happen we need to give them some time. Yes, there will be some changes compared to past, it will not look like the f1 we know from a decade or before ago, but it will be one that is profitable for everyone and that's something teams would want, and quality will follow.

[klidex]

The weird thing about F1 getting more and more American, is the fact that they managed to get a lot more viewers. This doesn't mean that the quality went up, maybe it did or maybe it didn't but the fact is that there are more viewers than previously since the owner change.

In recent times, more and more American citizens have started to like and are interested in participating in watching or participating in every F1 racing event.
What you have said is true, that this will have a positive impact on the world of F1 racing around the world because more and more people will start to enjoy racing.
The development of the automotive world will also be more advanced and more sophisticated from time to time so that new discoveries will emerge regarding the specifications of racing cars.

[Davian144]

A few days ago the factory Ducati team launched its livery which was also followed by the Ducati WSBK team. As well as Pecco Bagnaia, who has succeeded in becoming world champion last season, will wear number 1 this season on his motorbike. In addition, two of the three Ducati satellite teams have also launched their livery for this season, so only one more Ducati satellite team has yet to launch their livery for this season. The team is the Mooney VR46 Racing team. These are the three livery Ducati motorbikes that have been shown to the public for the 2023 season.

Source: motogp, gresinracing, & pramacracing

[swogerino]

The weird thing about F1 getting more and more American, is the fact that they managed to get a lot more viewers. This doesn't mean that the quality went up, maybe it did or maybe it didn't but the fact is that there are more viewers than previously since the owner change.

In recent times, more and more American citizens have started to like and are interested in participating in watching or participating in every F1 racing event.
What you have said is true, that this will have a positive impact on the world of F1 racing around the world because more and more people will start to enjoy racing.
The development of the automotive world will also be more advanced and more sophisticated from time to time so that new discoveries will emerge regarding the specifications of racing cars.

I think this upcoming season the Las Vegas race will undoubtedly be the best of the whole season,I have no doubts about this,racing in the capital of gambling at night in a city circuit is something unique,I know we have the Singapore race like this but trust me you cannot compare Singapore with Las Vegas,it is just on another level of lighting and beautifully decorated as a city Las Vegas,racing through those skyscrapers in Vegas is a truly unique experience.

I am sure the American people will get more interested and this race I am sure will improve F1 a lot in terms of attracting other exotic places who may become interested to hold a F1 race.

[RealMalatesta]

Of course not cos even thinking about it would be dumb.  If Perez deliberately crashes on Verstappen during a race, I'm pretty sure Perez will be given the sack the next say and his reputation is shot.  Who would ever give him a drive if he deliberately crashes on his team mate for his personal gain?

And what I'm just saying is Verstappen prolly had valid reasons for being an asshole.  Be it the Monaco event or something else, Verstappen looked like he was really mad at Perez at the time.

I think yes that would be the case if he behaves like this but if for example these two drivers are found in a middle of mischief during a multiple car accidents Perez can then deliberately crash on Verstappen and claim he didn't see his team mate in the middle of such big accidents.I know that these type of accidents rarely happen but when they do and if you find yourself in the middle of such accidents they can as well ruin your title fight,give you a psychological blow so that you are not giving your 100% anymore and this may as well happen to Verstappen,it will be interesting to see the relations between these two team mates during the new season which starts in one month and a bit.

Perez won't crash on Verstappen, that would be too obvious and it would hurt his chances to keep being employed, there is a reason why Perez is still there and not someone else, he could have been fired already and they could have brought in some other guy if they didn't trust Perez to do the job he was supposed to do. I mean Perez has as much as possible help on 2021 title as he could. But... he could be not so great, and if he doesn't really help as much, he doesn't need to crash, he just needs to not hold others up, and that would make it a lot harder for Max to win a title, with Ferrari having another 30 HP allegedly, his help means a lot.

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Ferrari also did the warm-up test in Fiorano with an old version of the car.

We are almost ready boys, 1 month to see the cars.

I still not get the point of these test done with 2 years old car 

[alegotardo]

Ferrari also did the warm-up test in Fiorano with an old version of the car.

We are almost ready boys, 1 month to see the cars.

I still not get the point of these test done with 2 years old car 

I have several assumptions.... it could be because they don't want to reveal the full "potential" of the new cars to competing teams.
Or else because the car is not yet ready, it needs to be better tested and perfected in the laboratory, especially now that time is tight and there are only a few days left for the official races.
It is also possible that they want to prevent any accidents, damage or extra costs that could result in major problems that may not be resolved until the start of the championship.

Furthermore, I believe that even pilots feel more "comfortable" in training with a car they already know.

[FanEagle]

Max bought a ferarri for himself lol. I mean it's okay of course, anyone can buy any car, there is nothing wrong with that. And we all know how awesome ferrari cars can become, specially when you do not have to listen to their pit And since there is no "red bull" car that he can drive on the road, what was he suppose to do, he had to buy from a competition if he wanted a good car.

But, this is of course a great marketing for ferrari as well, even their opponents preferred them type of marketing would be great for them, and they can't officially do it, but just this fact known is good enough. Can't wait for the season to start, it will be awesome to see how teams changed.

[swogerino]

Max bought a ferarri for himself lol. I mean it's okay of course, anyone can buy any car, there is nothing wrong with that. And we all know how awesome ferrari cars can become, specially when you do not have to listen to their pit And since there is no "red bull" car that he can drive on the road, what was he suppose to do, he had to buy from a competition if he wanted a good car.

But, this is of course a great marketing for ferrari as well, even their opponents preferred them type of marketing would be great for them, and they can't officially do it, but just this fact known is good enough. Can't wait for the season to start, it will be awesome to see how teams changed.

I think that it is truly a great marketing for Ferrari when the World Champion goes and buys a Ferrari car.He could have also bought a McLaren or any other sport car and in fact if he were to be in love with the Redbull-Honda team he could have bought the new Acura NSX racing which is the flagship racing car from Honda but yet he got and bought a Ferrari bypassing the team where he is in.

The new season should be better than the last one as cars follow each other closely with the new regulations and all teams had one year and some even more who started this season car development early and most likely they have learned a couple of things from the season we left behind so the battle in this upcoming season should be better.

[Davian144]

In these two days I was having fun watching the WSBK riders test at the Spanish Jerez circuit along with the Honda MotoGP team as well where they also did a test with Stefan Bradl. It seems that the Honda factory team is really working hard at the moment to improve the bike that will be used this season in MotoGP.


The other news that I got yesterday was the launch of the KTM factory team livery for the 2023 season and hopefully this season KTM can really experience an increase in performance so that it can be very competitive in races. Source: ktmfactoryracing and motogp

[ryzaadit]

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He racing for "Redbull" drink company and already got free-redbull life time.

What do u expect? buying a RedBull again ~XD but it's actually a good meme in F1 Community. The salestment need to make sure, max bring the 4 tyre in-case ferarri only give 3 tyre on his ferarri ~LOL
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Max bought a ferarri for himself lol. I mean it's okay of course, anyone can buy any car, there is nothing wrong with that. And we all know how awesome ferrari cars can become, specially when you do not have to listen to their pit And since there is no "red bull" car that he can drive on the road, what was he suppose to do, he had to buy from a competition if he wanted a good car.

But, this is of course a great marketing for ferrari as well, even their opponents preferred them type of marketing would be great for them, and they can't officially do it, but just this fact known is good enough. Can't wait for the season to start, it will be awesome to see how teams changed.

As Vettel one time said, everyone in the end is a Ferrari fan.
How can a driver decline the beauty of Ferrari?

Guess what, even Hamilton has at least 1 Ferrari in his collection.

[Pulsar77]

Max bought a ferarri for himself lol. I mean it's okay of course, anyone can buy any car, there is nothing wrong with that. And we all know how awesome ferrari cars can become, specially when you do not have to listen to their pit And since there is no "red bull" car that he can drive on the road, what was he suppose to do, he had to buy from a competition if he wanted a good car.

But, this is of course a great marketing for ferrari as well, even their opponents preferred them type of marketing would be great for them, and they can't officially do it, but just this fact known is good enough. Can't wait for the season to start, it will be awesome to see how teams changed.

Yeah it is a lovely SF90 Stradale Assetto Fiorano.  

Ferrari has very special cars and it is really inevitable for any person to refrain from even looking at them. Verstappen really understands from a great work of art like a Ferrari. I'm pretty sure if Red Bull also was a car manufacturer or owned a brand then he would have add at least one of its cars to his collection. By the way it is a red SF90 and I think it is the best color for any Ferrari car. It's like an iconic color for Ferrari already. I wonder if he would leave Red Bull one day and race for Ferrari as well.  

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Yeah it is a lovely SF90 Stradale Assetto Fiorano.  

Ferrari has very special cars and it is really inevitable for any person to refrain from even looking at them. Verstappen really understands from a great work of art like a Ferrari. I'm pretty sure if Red Bull also was a car manufacturer or owned a brand then he would have add at least one of its cars to his collection. By the way it is a red SF90 and I think it is the best color for any Ferrari car. It's like an iconic color for Ferrari already. I wonder if he would leave Red Bull one day and race for Ferrari as well.  

Improbable he will end in Ferrari.

To "cheat" the Salary cap (AGAIN) he singed a renew of his contract for an endless amount of time so the money are not going in the salary cap introduced 2 years ago.

He will stay in RBR for at least for 4 years.

[SquallLeonhart]

I have several assumptions.... it could be because they don't want to reveal the full "potential" of the new cars to competing teams.
Or else because the car is not yet ready, it needs to be better tested and perfected in the laboratory, especially now that time is tight and there are only a few days left for the official races.
It is also possible that they want to prevent any accidents, damage or extra costs that could result in major problems that may not be resolved until the start of the championship.

Furthermore, I believe that even pilots feel more "comfortable" in training with a car they already know.

One thing I am 100% certain about because it is public is the fact that they want to test out the angles, meaning how much the design of the car matters and 2 year old cars do not really have the exact results, but they definitely show which is better and which is worse.

If you had some Toyota corolla out there with wings, it would still be the same, because the idea is to find what is better, not to test the current car but to test the setup. I am sure there are million other things that they look for, but that part of it is definitely important, the fraction of speed you gain from even one millimetre difference in the setup could gain you tens of seconds in a race.