Motosport General discussion tread --- Formula1, MotoGP, WTCC, ETCC, DTM.....

[tokeweed]

Max bought a ferarri for himself lol. I mean it's okay of course, anyone can buy any car, there is nothing wrong with that. And we all know how awesome ferrari cars can become, specially when you do not have to listen to their pit And since there is no "red bull" car that he can drive on the road, what was he suppose to do, he had to buy from a competition if he wanted a good car.

But, this is of course a great marketing for ferrari as well, even their opponents preferred them type of marketing would be great for them, and they can't officially do it, but just this fact known is good enough. Can't wait for the season to start, it will be awesome to see how teams changed.

As Vettel one time said, everyone in the end is a Ferrari fan.
How can a driver decline the beauty of Ferrari?

Guess what, even Hamilton has at least 1 Ferrari in his collection.

Alonso said something the same.  He said something that sounded like 'every F1 driver wants to drive for Ferrari.'.  And historically the Ferrari has always been the symbol of beauty and speed when it comes to cars.  No one could deny that.  It's prolly why a lot of F1 fans laugh and make a lot of funny memes when they see Ferrari makes a not so smart decisions during a race because it's so unlike them to make those kinds of mistakes.

I bet everyone one of those F1 drivers have a Ferrari or want one if they still don't have it.

[alegotardo]

Max bought a ferarri for himself lol. I mean it's okay of course, anyone can buy any car, there is nothing wrong with that. And we all know how awesome ferrari cars can become, specially when you do not have to listen to their pit And since there is no "red bull" car that he can drive on the road, what was he suppose to do, he had to buy from a competition if he wanted a good car.

But, this is of course a great marketing for ferrari as well, even their opponents preferred them type of marketing would be great for them, and they can't officially do it, but just this fact known is good enough. Can't wait for the season to start, it will be awesome to see how teams changed.

It's not just ferrari that exist on the streets, we also have great car options in Mercedes.

Mercedes-Benz recently unveiled its first copy of the AMG One hypercar (it's the only one manufactured so far), its paintwork is reminiscent of Lewis Hamilton's seven-time Formula 1 car.
The start of the Mercedes-AMG One project was announced in 2016 and stipulated that deliveries would take place from 2019, however, the German brand delayed this deadline and the first unit was delivered at the end of 2022 only.
The German car still has a Formula 1 reference at the rear with several symbols of the Mercedes brand, in addition to having details in green. This color refers to the main sponsor of the team in F1, the oil company Petronas.
Unfortunately, Mercedes has only released the external look, so it's unknown if there are any internal references to the Formula 1 car as well.
But... it is known that the engine is also related to the W11, after all, the 2020 Formula 1 car is driven by a hybrid set, just like the AMG One.
The super sports car has three engines, two electric with 322 hp each and another combustion engine, allowing the AMG One to exceed 1000 hp of power. In addition to this similarity with the F1, the combustion engine of the German super sports car is a 1.6 four-cylinder with electric turbocharger that has direct injection considered to be derived from the F1 car.

Why a Ferrari then when you have this super Mercedes?

[coinlocket$]

Why a Ferrari then when you have this super Mercedes?

Easy because is not a Ferrari  .




BTW, small big news.

Frederic Vasseur spoke during these days and he said Ferraro solved the engine problem of 2022.

The rumor was for an increase of power of 30hp + the reduction of power they were using the past year for saving engines.

[jaberwock]

Why a Ferrari then when you have this super Mercedes?

Easy because is not a Ferrari  .


BTW, small big news.

Frederic Vasseur spoke during these days and he said Ferraro solved the engine problem of 2022.

The rumor was for an increase of power of 30hp + the reduction of power they were using the past year for saving engines.

Yeah that has been known for a while and talked about a few pages back, but there is still a question about it. Every single year Ferrari team comes out and says something that makes the fans go "this is the year!!" and then it turns out that they are still not that great.

I believe that we shouldn't really be expecting much from them until we see it. If they come out on the first race and they are much better compared to last year, I would still hold my horses, wait for like first 3-4 races and see if they are good that much in all of them? In that case I will get hopeful about it yet again, but so far not going to do that before the season starts based on press release stuff. Been fooled too many times before .

[coinlocket$]

Yeah that has been known for a while and talked about a few pages back, but there is still a question about it. Every single year Ferrari team comes out and says something that makes the fans go "this is the year!!" and then it turns out that they are still not that great.

Well, this is a common thing for all the teams, no?

I've never seen a team saying on tv "our car sucks and next year will be slower by 1-second" 

[Captain Corporate]

I think "exact data" is the part that is getting the news in that situation. Sure every team says they are better, but by comparison Mercedes has 16 HP better, and Red Bull has 10 HP, that is why the extra 30 HP that Ferrari got is a big big deal, and that's why its important. Its not just "we got a better car" type of situation, its more about the fact they have something that is tangible, which is the fact that they have an exact amount of horse power that they have added, which is why its such an important thing. I believe that they are definitely going to be better. And their "better", will be better than others better basically. Not saying they will win, but just saying they will be closer at least.

[swogerino]

I think "exact data" is the part that is getting the news in that situation. Sure every team says they are better, but by comparison Mercedes has 16 HP better, and Red Bull has 10 HP, that is why the extra 30 HP that Ferrari got is a big big deal, and that's why its important. Its not just "we got a better car" type of situation, its more about the fact they have something that is tangible, which is the fact that they have an exact amount of horse power that they have added, which is why its such an important thing. I believe that they are definitely going to be better. And their "better", will be better than others better basically. Not saying they will win, but just saying they will be closer at least.

They also had this advantage of the faster car with a better engine in the first part of the last season but at what cost,at the cost of reliability so when we will see that these extra 30 HP won't affect their performance by ruining races like the most famous bad one is the Azerbaijan last race where both Ferrari cars ended up with failures and ended their race prematurely.They first need to fix the reliability issues before they will have the full advantage from these extra horse power,once they fix it they can clearly say and also make it happen on the race tracks that we will win the 2023 F1 season.

[CLS63]

If Mercedes also cheat about using the money for the developments of their car more than the limited amount then this can upset the balances a lot.

Red Bull did this and didn't even get a proper punishment for it. Maybe all the big teams will do this respectively until FIA decides upon a serious punishment for that.    This move can help Hamilton very much about getting closer to his 8th title in his career as well. But even with the help of that I believe we would still see a tough competition among Mercedes, Red Bull and Ferrari. It depends on whether Ferrari screw things up again after making a good start of course. 

[swogerino]

If Mercedes also cheat about using the money for the developments of their car more than the limited amount then this can upset the balances a lot.

Red Bull did this and didn't even get a proper punishment for it. Maybe all the big teams will do this respectively until FIA decides upon a serious punishment for that.    This move can help Hamilton very much about getting closer to his 8th title in his career as well. But even with the help of that I believe we would still see a tough competition among Mercedes, Red Bull and Ferrari. It depends on whether Ferrari screw things up again after making a good start of course. 

I think that every year that passes makes the chances for Hamilton to win the 8th title slighter and slighter.I think his age is starting to show and the fact that his team mate did better than him the last season says a lot about Hamilton being restricted by age and this is not a single thing that is happening only to Hamilton.Just remember Michael Schumacher when he returned with Mercedes at an age even higher than this of Hamilton,sure he was 7 times Champion like Hamilton is but he was not capable of even a single good race and yes I know that Mercedes was not that good at that time.

So most likely I see young drivers like Verstappen and Leclerc together with Sainz and Norris if McLaren step up their game as fighting for victories for this upcoming season.

[coinlocket$]

This is it, this is the week of "new" cars.

Starting from the 31st of this month with Haas.

Keep in mind most of the cars presented are "fake" they are just placeholders to give you sponsors, the car can look very different from what we will see in the tests in 3 weeks.

[tokeweed]

Yeah that has been known for a while and talked about a few pages back, but there is still a question about it. Every single year Ferrari team comes out and says something that makes the fans go "this is the year!!" and then it turns out that they are still not that great.

Well, this is a common thing for all the teams, no?

I've never seen a team saying on tv "our car sucks and next year will be slower by 1-second"  

That's because they don't want any added pressure on their shoulders.  Imagine telling everybody and confirming the rumor that your engines did have an increase of 30 hp then ending up losing every week vs Verstappen and Red Bull...  Lol.

And if anything, these rumors could have been invented and being spread by top rivals like Red Bull and Mercedes to play with Ferrari engineers' minds and put pressure on them.  

[jostorres]

Yeah that has been known for a while and talked about a few pages back, but there is still a question about it. Every single year Ferrari team comes out and says something that makes the fans go "this is the year!!" and then it turns out that they are still not that great.

Well, this is a common thing for all the teams, no?

I've never seen a team saying on tv "our car sucks and next year will be slower by 1-second"  

That's because they don't want any added pressure on their shoulders.  Imagine telling everybody and confirming the rumor that your engines did have an increase of 30 hp then ending up losing every week vs Verstappen and Red Bull...  Lol.

And if anything, these rumors could have been invented and being spread by top rivals like Red Bull and Mercedes to play with Ferrari engineers' minds and put pressure on them.  

I think there is absolutely no pressure on Ferrari engineers considering they are basically not expected to be good anyway lol. Ferrari is known to be a team that has so much potential, so much money and then keeps making mistakes all the time to cause a loss. They had a very close chance with Vettel once, but luck would have it and they lost, and then last year wasn't that close but they had so much disappointment as well and many mistakes too.

These were not just engineers, but I am sure they are not expected to do that well neither. Red Bull for example has a lot more pressure, why? Because they are the champions back to back, and winning a third time is hard, and they are expected to do that.

[tokeweed]

^  This coming season with the recent change in team principal and prolly also the shuffling of people in the ranks and back room, yeah..  It's prolly gonna be a year of adjustments and tweaks.  But for the last few years with Binotto at the helm, they were expected to win and yeah as you said they almost did with Vettel at 2018, tho it was not meant to be.  They still lost due to a mix of driver errors, team errors and some technical difficulties.  

Now having said that, I think there's still always gonna be some pressure just because of the name they represent.  Ferrari and it deserves nothing but the best.  Anything less than first place at every race weekend is gonna be meme time for us.  

[Davian144]

Today the Yamaha WSBK team has launched its motorbike and livery for the 2023 season with several riders for that class. And with the new sponsor attached to the Yamaha WSBK motorbike, of course, the name of the team has changed slightly from the previous one. For now his name is patayamahaprometeon, and hopefully the Yamaha team can compete even more fiercely in the 2023 season because remembering that the Ducati team with its flagship rider Alvaro Bautista is predicted to still be a serious threat to all other riders. _{Reference Source: worldsbk}

[Koal-84]

The specifications for the 2027 to 2031 seasons of MotoGP are being at a first finalised way, Dorna has presented the first drafts, which are basic stuff:

- From 2027 only "Bio Fuel" synthetic fuel.
- There will be no hybrid engines.
- Ban on the rear ride height device (But aren't they already banned this year?).
- The winglets will stay.

This sounds very reasonable to me, and the new wind tunnel rules should also reduce costs for the teams.

https://www.speedweek.com/motogp/news/203634/Technik-2027-Fluegel-bleiben-keine-Hybrid-Antriebe.html

[swogerino]

Yeah that has been known for a while and talked about a few pages back, but there is still a question about it. Every single year Ferrari team comes out and says something that makes the fans go "this is the year!!" and then it turns out that they are still not that great.

Well, this is a common thing for all the teams, no?

I've never seen a team saying on tv "our car sucks and next year will be slower by 1-second"  

That's because they don't want any added pressure on their shoulders.  Imagine telling everybody and confirming the rumor that your engines did have an increase of 30 hp then ending up losing every week vs Verstappen and Red Bull...  Lol.

And if anything, these rumors could have been invented and being spread by top rivals like Red Bull and Mercedes to play with Ferrari engineers' minds and put pressure on them.  

I think there is absolutely no pressure on Ferrari engineers considering they are basically not expected to be good anyway lol. Ferrari is known to be a team that has so much potential, so much money and then keeps making mistakes all the time to cause a loss. They had a very close chance with Vettel once, but luck would have it and they lost, and then last year wasn't that close but they had so much disappointment as well and many mistakes too.

These were not just engineers, but I am sure they are not expected to do that well neither. Red Bull for example has a lot more pressure, why? Because they are the champions back to back, and winning a third time is hard, and they are expected to do that.

I agree that Ferrari should start the 2023 season by telling their fans that they will be fighting to win every race and not that we are going to win the Championship,by saying so they mean that they will give their 100% in every race during this season and as such the fans will watch hopeful but not with high hopes as in 2022 Ferrari took the pressure to themselves by winning the first couple of races and as such claiming they are going to win the 2022 season which in the end did not end well for Ferrari and their fans.

As for the engineers and other technical staff I assume they have learned a lot from the errors of 2022 so most likely they won't be screwing up with their race strategy anymore.

[Luzin]

- Ban on the rear ride height device (But aren't they already banned this year?).

I think that's been discussed in 2022 and officially this season Dorna banned that.

The use of any device that changes or adjusts the height of the front ride of a motorcycle while it is moving is prohibited.

The technical director said it should only be done at the start of the race, otherwise it's called a holeshot. It looks like this will hurt Ducati a bit as they are very enthusiastic about developing ride-height technology.

Source: https://www.crash.net/id/motogp/news/999242/1/resmi-motogp-melarang-perangkat-ride-height-depan-mulai-2023

[alegotardo]

I think there is absolutely no pressure on Ferrari engineers considering they are basically not expected to be good anyway lol. Ferrari is known to be a team that has so much potential, so much money and then keeps making mistakes all the time to cause a loss. They had a very close chance with Vettel once, but luck would have it and they lost, and then last year wasn't that close but they had so much disappointment as well and many mistakes too.

These were not just engineers, but I am sure they are not expected to do that well neither. Red Bull for example has a lot more pressure, why? Because they are the champions back to back, and winning a third time is hard, and they are expected to do that.

In 2022, Ferrari started out proving to be very competitive, winning two of the first three races but, as the championship progressed, the problems presented by the team paved the way for Red Bull's dominance, ending in Max Verstappen's second championship and in the Taurine conquest. of the Constructors' Championship.

However, there are indications that the Maranello team should be faster in 2023 due to several factors... on Pirelli tyres, especially the front ones to reduce the excess front output, something that was seen a lot in 2022, among other details. I think we will see fewer mistakes from Ferrari in 2023.

Ferrari will present the successor to the F1-75 on February 14th, we'll see what's new.

[Koal-84]

I think that's been discussed in 2022 and officially this season Dorna banned that.

The use of any device that changes or adjusts the height of the front ride of a motorcycle while it is moving is prohibited.

The technical director said it should only be done at the start of the race, otherwise it's called a holeshot. It looks like this will hurt Ducati a bit as they are very enthusiastic about developing ride-height technology.

Source: https://www.crash.net/id/motogp/news/999242/1/resmi-motogp-melarang-perangkat-ride-height-depan-mulai-2023

Thank you, so if I understand it correctly, it may only be used at the start from 2027 and no longer while driving. Then the devices around the rear wheel may still be used and will maybe only disappear with the completely new engine specifications.

In any case, they have been completely banned at the front for this season.

https://www.motorsport-total.com/motogp/news/die-motogp-greift-durch-ride-height-device-fuer-die-front-ab-2023-verboten-22032205

[jostorres]

In 2022, Ferrari started out proving to be very competitive, winning two of the first three races but, as the championship progressed, the problems presented by the team paved the way for Red Bull's dominance, ending in Max Verstappen's second championship and in the Taurine conquest. of the Constructors' Championship.

However, there are indications that the Maranello team should be faster in 2023 due to several factors... on Pirelli tyres, especially the front ones to reduce the excess front output, something that was seen a lot in 2022, among other details. I think we will see fewer mistakes from Ferrari in 2023.

Ferrari will present the successor to the F1-75 on February 14th, we'll see what's new.

That's exactly why I said there are no pressures on the engineers of ferrari, or anyone in the ferrari team. The main idea is that Mercedes had so many titles in a row, and Hamilton has 7 titles, one away from being the sole owner of the record, he is now sharing it. So there was this idea that he could maybe become the champion again to win, and last year we have seen them suck big time and they were terrible.

Last two years Red Bull has won, and its their title to lose right now, so they will want to keep it, but I am not sure if they will be able to. On the other hand, Ferrari hasn't won anything and just disappointed their own fans. Which means that they have the least pressure because nobody expects them to actually win, everyone expects them to make mistakes to cost the championship instead .