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We got rain on FP3 but the result is the same 2023 F1 Dutch Grand Prix - Free Practice Results (3) Pos Driver Nat. Team Time 1 Max Verstappen NED Oracle Red Bull Racing 1m21.631s 2 George Russell GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 1m22.010s 3 Sergio Perez MEX Oracle Bull Racing 1m22.631s 4 Fernando Alonso ESP Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team 1m22.634s 5 Lewis Hamilton GBR Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team 1m22.723s 6 Alex Albon THA Williams Racing 1m22.750s 7 Oscar Piastri AUS McLaren F1 Team 1m22.892s 8 Valtteri Bottas FIN Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake 1m22.965s 9 Charles Leclerc MON Scuderia Ferrari 1m23.093s 10 Lando Norris GBR McLaren F1 Team 1m23.158s 11 Pierre Gasly FRA BWT Alpine F1 Team 1m23.210s 12 Carlos Sainz ESP Scuderia Ferrari 1m23.438s 13 Yuki Tsunoda JPN Scuderia AlphaTauri 1m23.544s 14 Logan Sargeant USA Williams Racing 1m23.570s 15 Nico Hulkenberg GER MoneyGram Haas F1 Team 1m23.640s 16 Esteban Ocon FRA BWT Alpine F1 Team 1m23.806s 17 Lance Stroll CAN Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team 1m24.058s 18 Liam Lawson NZL Scuderia AlphaTauri 1m26.343s 19 Zhou Guanyu CHN Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake 1m28.482s 20 Kevin Magnussen DEN MoneyGram Haas F1 Team No Time Set Source: https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1034076/1/f1-dutch-grand-prix-2023-final-practice-results
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Couple things that took my interest from this Saturday run. First of all, Mclaren improved a lot just like we all know, but apparently not on the rain, they are amazing when it comes to slicks and a sunny weather but when its raining, they are not good at all. However, when the sun was out and the track dried up, they became so good that at one point people thought Lando could even take over Max, which obviously Max being Max didn't let him, but Lando will be second place. Secondly, Williams seems to be improving a lot as well, Albon finished fourth, been doing fine, I think they have a chance for some serious points this race as well if nothing happens to their cars. The last thing is Hamilton being out in Q2, whereas Russell being third place, that is not just "Mercedes doesn't have a good car" situation, if your teammate is third, then you shouldn't be 13th place.
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Couple things that took my interest from this Saturday run. First of all, Mclaren improved a lot just like we all know, but apparently not on the rain, they are amazing when it comes to slicks and a sunny weather but when its raining, they are not good at all. However, when the sun was out and the track dried up, they became so good that at one point people thought Lando could even take over Max, which obviously Max being Max didn't let him, but Lando will be second place. Secondly, Williams seems to be improving a lot as well, Albon finished fourth, been doing fine, I think they have a chance for some serious points this race as well if nothing happens to their cars. The last thing is Hamilton being out in Q2, whereas Russell being third place, that is not just "Mercedes doesn't have a good car" situation, if your teammate is third, then you shouldn't be 13th place.
Regarding Mercedes yesterday in qualifying it was the chaotic weather conditions that showed us quite a lot of crashes and as such we cannot see a big difference between the two drivers in Mercedes team,it was only chaotic qualifying session.McLaren has improved a lot and yesterday they did quite well,I had forgotten that they are the second team now in the grid and that Lando has real chances of winning the first race in his career if he manages to keep close to Max and if weather conditions permit this,that Max doesn't create a huge gap like he will most likely will do in a dry race.I think that finally we will not see a boring race in here today.
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Another win for Max, this time was not so easy because of the chaos with the weather.
9th win in a row, he will going to beat the all time record.
If I can recall it is 11 wins.
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Ricciardio broke his wrist because of the crash, and I think it is going to be something big as well, if I am not wrong Albon was the last one that did that and it is going to be pretty similar. You have to understand these guys get a lot of G during crashes and they are mainly holding the wheel (which isn't even wheel shaped lol) during these crashes, and when it happens that means we see them crack their wrist bones due to sudden movement of it during crashes.
That is still an issue, even if their whole body is protected better than anyone else, we have the wheel turning too quickly during crashes that crack the wrist. Instead of Daniel Ricciardo we are going to see Liam Lawson racing this weekend, lets see how he does, I expect a lot from him.
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-snip- You have to understand these guys get a lot of G during crashes and they are mainly holding the wheel (which isn't even wheel shaped lol) during these crashes, and when it happens that means we see them crack their wrist bones due to sudden movement of it during crashes.
It is actually not very hard to understand why they break their wrist so much. They are literally controlling the car with something that has almost like millions of buttons. I also know very well that the racers train their reflexes a lot. But it is still very hard to actually even think when the car is crashing at more than 150 km/h. Of course, the steering wheel actually do not look like a wheel. And I don’t think it ever will. Especially when they are trying to make the car as light as possible. Couple things that took my interest from this Saturday run. First of all, Mclaren improved a lot just like we all know, but apparently not on the rain, they are amazing when it comes to slicks and a sunny weather but when its raining, they are not good at all. However, when the sun was out and the track dried up, they became so good that at one point people thought Lando could even take over Max, which obviously Max being Max didn't let him, but Lando will be second place. Secondly, Williams seems to be improving a lot as well, Albon finished fourth, been doing fine, I think they have a chance for some serious points this race as well if nothing happens to their cars. The last thing is Hamilton being out in Q2, whereas Russell being third place, that is not just "Mercedes doesn't have a good car" situation, if your teammate is third, then you shouldn't be 13th place.
Regarding Mercedes yesterday in qualifying it was the chaotic weather conditions that showed us quite a lot of crashes and as such we cannot see a big difference between the two drivers in Mercedes team,it was only chaotic qualifying session.McLaren has improved a lot and yesterday they did quite well,I had forgotten that they are the second team now in the grid and that Lando has real chances of winning the first race in his career if he manages to keep close to Max and if weather conditions permit this,that Max doesn't create a huge gap like he will most likely will do in a dry race.I think that finally we will not see a boring race in here today. The weather conditions can actually cause a lot of problems like we just saw. The cars are moving so fast and it is already a big risk. And on top of that, when the cracks do not have traction with the tire, or have less traction, it is a recipe for disaster and that’s exactly what we saw happening. I also have to say that McLaren did well. The improvement is quite visible from them.
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If you ever will feel useless, remember that F1 have full wet tyres... It already looked that fun things will begin, but then they stopped race immediately. There was some chaos in race, but after all, final outcome is same like always - Verstappen win. Feel sorry for Perez - something always should go wrong for him. He goes to pits for wet tyres ands then session get red flagged. It's good for him that he got position back before restart. And then breaking speed limits in pit lane. Alonso again showed masterclass, especially driving on wet track.
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If you ever will feel useless, remember that F1 have full wet tyres... It already looked that fun things will begin, but then they stopped race immediately. There was some chaos in race, but after all, final outcome is same like always - Verstappen win. Feel sorry for Perez - something always should go wrong for him. He goes to pits for wet tyres ands then session get red flagged. It's good for him that he got position back before restart. And then breaking speed limits in pit lane. Alonso again showed masterclass, especially driving on wet track.
The problem with the fully wet tires is not the tires themself but the spray of water caused by the high speed. The tires work greatly with high water on the track. F1 is working on a solution, on a fender to add when the rain its. Don't ask me how they gonna doing it.
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Ricciardio broke his wrist because of the crash, and I think it is going to be something big as well, if I am not wrong Albon was the last one that did that and it is going to be pretty similar. You have to understand these guys get a lot of G during crashes and they are mainly holding the wheel (which isn't even wheel shaped lol) during these crashes, and when it happens that means we see them crack their wrist bones due to sudden movement of it during crashes.
It's like getting a whiplash but instead targeted on your wrist because of the sudden, uncontrollable.movement of the steering wheel. The design of F1's steering wheel is actually a lot safer as it actually is easier to remove your hands from it should a crash happens unlike in traditional cars. Also, they can pull the steering wheel if needed though sometimes it's not the best course of action. Hopefully Ricciardo recovers pretty fast. That man is silently creeping up the ladder albeit being placed in a relatively weaker team this season.
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August 27, 2023, 11:12:25 PM |
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The problem with the fully wet tires is not the tires themself but the spray of water caused by the high speed. The tires work greatly with high water on the track.
F1 is working on a solution, on a fender to add when the rain its.
Don't ask me how they gonna doing it.
I mean they are taking these tyres to tracks all around the world, but it barely get used even if there is rain, this is what I mean useless. Probably itworks great, though, it wouldn't protect from aquaplaning if there is literally river on the track. Making tyres that don't spray water - I'm wondering how they are going to make something what goes against physics.
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August 28, 2023, 08:12:35 AM |
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Another win for Max, this time was not so easy because of the chaos with the weather.
9th win in a row, he will going to beat the all time record.
If I can recall it is 11 wins.
It was not easy for Max to be able to win this race, I really admire how he and his team managed the strategy to be able to win this race, good job to Max. And as for Perez I'm pretty sorry to see him because how he really struggled to be able to prove that he deserves to be a champion, but the reality is that Alonso with his experience and Gasly with his luck didn't let him get on the podium. But I really enjoyed this race, how the rain which made the race even more chaotic was a challenge and made this race very fun to watch.
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August 28, 2023, 08:28:50 AM |
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Indeed it wasn't one of the easiest races for Verstappen due to changeable weather conditions. But every time he still stayed focused and managed to open a decent time gap with his closest opponent. This was another deserved win for him. Perez is at fault for his being out of podium I'm afraid. Because he got a 5-second penalty for a really simple reason. It was a simple mistake of him that he was speeding in pit lane. When you do this there is no way you are getting out of this without a time penalty. ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) The driver of the day was voted as Alonso but I think Gasly deserved more. Because he started the race from 12th place and finished on podium. The rivalry between him and Sainz was really lovely to watch. ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif)
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Another win for Max, this time was not so easy because of the chaos with the weather.
9th win in a row, he will going to beat the all time record.
If I can recall it is 11 wins.
It was not easy for Max to be able to win this race, I really admire how he and his team managed the strategy to be able to win this race, good job to Max. And as for Perez I'm pretty sorry to see him because how he really struggled to be able to prove that he deserves to be a champion, but the reality is that Alonso with his experience and Gasly with his luck didn't let him get on the podium. But I really enjoyed this race, how the rain which made the race even more chaotic was a challenge and made this race very fun to watch. It doesn't make sense to attribute such a big difference between teammates to pilotage and nobody talks about this situation. It's like their performance on the straight is not the same, let alone the apex. Perez's lap times are not stable. the performance of the car seems to fluctuate. Red bull is very successful, they will go down in history, but the failure of other teams is not on the agenda. Only the alpine team is self-critical. We haven't seen a fight for first place this year. I've never seen such an unexciting season before. Unfortunately, it was a race with an obvious ending. Just like the others. The worst thing is, we know what will happen in the next races. Even my wife - who doesn't watch the races - is asking questions like "how many seconds ahead is verstappen?". Fia needs to find an urgent solution to this. Even if he makes a reverse grid, nothing will change. Verstappen is so in tune with the car that if there were 50 cars and he started the race in the 50th place, he would still finish 1st. It has become really boring.
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It was not easy for Max to be able to win this race, I really admire how he and his team managed the strategy to be able to win this race, good job to Max. And as for Perez I'm pretty sorry to see him because how he really struggled to be able to prove that he deserves to be a champion, but the reality is that Alonso with his experience and Gasly with his luck didn't let him get on the podium. But I really enjoyed this race, how the rain which made the race even more chaotic was a challenge and made this race very fun to watch.
It doesn't make sense to attribute such a big difference between teammates to pilotage and nobody talks about this situation. It's like their performance on the straight is not the same, let alone the apex. Perez's lap times are not stable. the performance of the car seems to fluctuate. Red bull is very successful, they will go down in history, but the failure of other teams is not on the agenda. Only the alpine team is self-critical. We haven't seen a fight for first place this year. I've never seen such an unexciting season before. Unfortunately, it was a race with an obvious ending. Just like the others. The worst thing is, we know what will happen in the next races. Even my wife - who doesn't watch the races - is asking questions like "how many seconds ahead is verstappen?". Fia needs to find an urgent solution to this. Even if he makes a reverse grid, nothing will change. Verstappen is so in tune with the car that if there were 50 cars and he started the race in the 50th place, he would still finish 1st. It has become really boring. [/quote] Its a fucking joke and nobody talks about that in the media, Max Verstappen its better driver tha Perez? YES, but he cant have that diference in times with """"the same car"""" this clearly show its not the same car, yesterday we see how Verstappen cut 2.5s in only ONE lap after putting the same inters of Perez.... no sense. Another prove of this? Everyone can fight with Perez car in the midfield, but nobody can be near Max Verstappen car.....
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August 28, 2023, 02:08:29 PM |
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Of course Verstappen get the parts before Perez,they upgrade Max car first and that is why in certain races we can see a huge difference in drivers with the same car.Did it not happen with Norris and Piastri at McLaren where Norris got the parts first and was racing at a much better pace than Piastri by getting a podium.This though does in no way removes the fact that Perez for me is the most mediocre driver I have ever seen so far in F1,he still has a Redbull and in the times of Vettel and Vebber and in early times of Verstappen together with Ricciardo we have seen quite some crashes between the team mates,something clearly not happening with Perez forcing my view on him as a real mediocre driver.
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August 29, 2023, 09:42:25 AM |
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it's still 50/50 for Marquez to be able to join Pramac Racing, but that doesn't rule out the possibility that he does join Pramac Racing seeing that he is quite disappointed with Honda not providing significant improvements to their bikes. if Honda didn't react well to what Marquez asked, it was certain that he would leave Honda and that was the beginning of Honda's downfall because they didn't have a good rider anymore.
Pramac Racing is a satellite team and very different from regular teams like Honda, so Pramac Racing must also have a bigger budget if they want to redeem Marquez from Honda. This is the first consideration that Pramac Racing has to think about because it can really hurt their budget in buying engines at Ducati in every season. Besides that, if you want to see the destruction of Honda, actually Honda has been destroyed since Marquez suffered an injury in 2020 because since then every change made by Honda has not produced any results. And one more thing that Honda made a mistake was by removing Dani Pedrosa from their own team so that the development of Honda's own engine became unstable. This can be seen when KTM took Dani Pedrosa and put him in the field of motorbike development and test riders for KTM so that KTM could experience such significant changes in the motorbikes they created. In the past, KTM was never competitive, but now KTM can compete with other big manufacturers such as Ducati and Aprilia through their flagship rider, Brad Binder. Yep. Honda will lose a lot if Marquez leaves. The only thing that can keep Marquez at Honda is the emergence of a revolutionary project undertaken by Honda. All possibilities can happen, but I think Marquez will stay at Honda.
One more loss that has been experienced by Honda is the departure of Alex Rins to another manufacturer, because as has been seen that Alex Rins was a very great rider when he was still at the Suzuki factory and this season Honda still has him even though Alex Rins himself still has to absent due to injury recovery which is still not complete. But next season he will no longer be in Honda's garage because there has been an agreement with Yamaha, so this has forced LCR Honda to recruit Johan Zarco to fill the empty seat left by Alex Rins.
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August 29, 2023, 10:54:58 AM |
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Of course Verstappen get the parts before Perez,they upgrade Max car first and that is why in certain races we can see a huge difference in drivers with the same car.Did it not happen with Norris and Piastri at McLaren where Norris got the parts first and was racing at a much better pace than Piastri by getting a podium.This though does in no way removes the fact that Perez for me is the most mediocre driver I have ever seen so far in F1,he still has a Redbull and in the times of Vettel and Vebber and in early times of Verstappen together with Ricciardo we have seen quite some crashes between the team mates,something clearly not happening with Perez forcing my view on him as a real mediocre driver.
@swogerino I wasn’t aware of this because till date I thought that both drivers would get upgraded cars at the same time and now it makes sense why Verstappen can drive faster then his teammate. Also Perez isn’t a bad driver as he’s claimed more points then Hamilton and Leclerc too and who knows if he ever shifts maybe he’ll be able to dominate and even end up occupying the top spot for himself.
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August 29, 2023, 12:31:18 PM |
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Of course Verstappen get the parts before Perez,they upgrade Max car first and that is why in certain races we can see a huge difference in drivers with the same car.Did it not happen with Norris and Piastri at McLaren where Norris got the parts first and was racing at a much better pace than Piastri by getting a podium.This though does in no way removes the fact that Perez for me is the most mediocre driver I have ever seen so far in F1,he still has a Redbull and in the times of Vettel and Vebber and in early times of Verstappen together with Ricciardo we have seen quite some crashes between the team mates,something clearly not happening with Perez forcing my view on him as a real mediocre driver.
@swogerino I wasn’t aware of this because till date I thought that both drivers would get upgraded cars at the same time and now it makes sense why Verstappen can drive faster then his teammate. Also Perez isn’t a bad driver as he’s claimed more points then Hamilton and Leclerc too and who knows if he ever shifts maybe he’ll be able to dominate and even end up occupying the top spot for himself. It is paramount and a sure thing that with a car like Redbull which is the best on the grid he should be fighting for the title against Max and not collecting more points than other drivers in other teams when the difference between Redbull and the other teams is so big as it is winning every single race up until now and in Monza the Honda engine of Redbull I am afraid is going to win with a huge gap,so it is a sure thing that the Redbull will win at Monza this upcoming weekend unless they have mechanical or electrical failures. In the time as I said before when Vettel and Webber at Redbull,Hamilton and Rosberg at Mercedes,when they were dominating both drivers fought for the Championship resulting in many crashes,so yes Perez has absolutely no excuses to such bad races.
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August 29, 2023, 01:16:07 PM |
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Pramac Racing is a satellite team and very different from regular teams like Honda, so Pramac Racing must also have a bigger budget if they want to redeem Marquez from Honda. This is the first consideration that Pramac Racing has to think about because it can really hurt their budget in buying engines at Ducati in every season. Besides that, if you want to see the destruction of Honda, actually Honda has been destroyed since Marquez suffered an injury in 2020 because since then every change made by Honda has not produced any results. ~snip~
Last season Dani Pedrosa successfully brought changes to KTM. There is quite a noticeable development with the KTM bike. This season it seems that Binder has also performed quite well. But Ducati's dominance with many bikes has become difficult to unseat them in the factory class. There are still about 11 races to go if I'm not mistaken, there will still be a lot of points to be had and there may be another surprise at the end. As for Honda, I think indeed they are not serious in the development of the bike. It seems like there are a lot of problems, especially maybe the cost.
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August 30, 2023, 01:27:16 PM |
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As for Honda, I think indeed they are not serious in the development of the bike. It seems like there are a lot of problems, especially maybe the cost.
honda is expected to remain stuck in its current position because it is unable to improve the performance of their motorbikes compared to european manufacturers who are very aggressive in developing their motorbikes. the only thing keeping honda afloat at the moment is marquez who still believes that honda can improve the performance of their motorbikes, like what they do in f1, and hopefully that's the case because it's quite sad to see honda's current condition.
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