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[tokeweed]

^  I think Perez's future with Red Bull is already written.  Whatever happens in the last couple or so races, he won't get a new contract after 2024.  He'll have one more season and that's it.

The question now is who'll replace him?  I think everything will depend on how Ricciardo performs next season as he'll be the first choice...  Tsunoda would prolly be considered but then again maybe he'll be leaving Alpha Tauri altogether because we know he was just part of the Honda deal.

Other decent choices are Gasly and Albon but they've already driven at RBR with poor results...  Maybe Alonso?

Edit:  Alonso too old.  Lol.

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Pos    Driver    Nat.   Team    Time
1   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m11.732s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m11.840s
3   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m11.865s
4   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m11.928s
5   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m12.044s
6   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m12.136s
7   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m12.184s
8   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m12.481s
9   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m12.579s
10   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m12.592s
11   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m12.615s
12   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m12.638s
13   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m12.714s
14   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m12.778s
15   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m12.779s
16   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m12.793s
17   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m13.012s
18   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m13.056s
19   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m13.629s
20   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m13.838s

1st hour of the 1st session.

https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1039980/1/f1-s-o-paulo-grand-prix-2023-friday-practice-results

Ferrari seems to be very fast.

[el kaka22]

Another race week, this time at Brazil. Looks like it's going to be a pretty tough week, there are some warnings regarding weather situation as well. Telemetry system is one of the most important on weeks like this. Lets see how ferrari and Mercedes will do and if Mclaren can bounce back again. Max is the winner as always even before the week starts I can say that, unless there is like some crash or something.

However, the fun part is that Mclaren is trying to get that third place but Mercedes is not letting them, and the second place is a big fight between ferrari and Mercedes, Mercedes has done very well lately and got the second place, and Mclaren is less than 100 points away from ferrari for third place and very very few races left. I think this is how the first five will finish, but it's fun to see it.

[swogerino]

Strange qualifying session now in Brazil.Leclerc said it best,I have never experienced something like this race in my entire career he said,it looked like it was raining but in fact there was no rain at all referring to the track being extremely slid and Verstappen was once again able to grab a Pole Position although he did not made the fastest lap in this last Q3 session.

In Q2 Lando Norris did 1.10.0 while Verstappen won the Pole with a 1.10.727 and he said it himself that it would be very tight and the cars are very close in this track.I think the surprise are Aston Martin with Lance Stroll in P3 and Alonso in P4 after many races screwing up looks like they have fixed a couple of things.

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1   Max Verstappen   NED   Oracle Red Bull Racing   1m10.436s   1m10.162s   1m10.727s
2   Charles Leclerc   MON   Scuderia Ferrari   1m10.472s   1m10.303s   1m11.021s
3   Lance Stroll   CAN   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m10.551s   1m10.375s   1m11.344s
4   Fernando Alonso   ESP   Aston Martin Aramco Cognizant Formula One Team   1m10.557s   1m10.237s   1m11.387s
5   Lewis Hamilton   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m10.604s   1m10.266s   1m11.469s
6   George Russell   GBR   Mercedes AMG Petronas F1 Team   1m10.340s   1m10.316s   1m11.590s
7   Lando Norris   GBR   McLaren F1 Team   1m10.623s   1m10.021s   1m11.987s
8   Carlos Sainz   ESP   Scuderia Ferrari   1m10.624s   1m10.254s   1m11.989s
9   Sergio Perez   MEX   Oracle Bull Racing   1m10.668s   1m10.219s   1m12.321s
10   Oscar Piastri   AUS   McLaren F1 Team   1m10.519s   1m10.330s   No Time Set
11   Nico Hulkenberg   GER   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m10.475s   1m10.547s   
12   Esteban Ocon   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m10.763s   1m10.562s   
13   Pierre Gasly   FRA   BWT Alpine F1 Team   1m10.793s   1m10.567s   
14   Kevin Magnussen   DEN   MoneyGram Haas F1 Team   1m10.602s   1m10.723s   
15   Alex Albon   THA   Williams Racing   1m10.621s   1m10.840s   
16   Yuki Tsunoda   JPN   Scuderia AlphaTauri    1m10.837s       
17   Daniel Ricciardo   AUS   Scuderia AlphaTauri   1m10.843s       
18   Valtteri Bottas   FIN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m10.955s       
19   Logan Sargeant   USA   Williams Racing   1m11.035s       
20   Zhou Guanyu   CHN   Alfa Romeo F1 Team Stake   1m11.275s


Soure https://www.crash.net/f1/results/1040030/1/f1-sao-paulo-grand-prix-2023-qualifying-results

pole position for MAX, this will be one of the best sprint races, this track is awesome for it.

[retreat]

It was quite crazy how the initially sunny weather turned into dark clouds in just a few minutes. Piastri even almost hit the barrier because he lost grip on his tires. Yeah at least every driver has completed their lap before the race is called.
And it's quite interesting to see Stroll and Alonso in P3 and P4 and Hamilton and Russell in P5 and P6, it looks like it's going to be an interesting battle. And again, Max is in P1 and you can guess who will win the race this time.

[boltz]

Q2 of Sprint Shootout is about to end and out of nowhere Norris took 1st place , followed by Perez and then Max.

Now , we wait for Q3 and I think Norris has a real chance to take Sprint Shootout pole and then maybe even win the Sprint Race later on today.

Aston Martin had another series of problems but this time with Alonso who couldn't even run 1 lap on Q2...and it seems the last update they had in Texas really made the car worse than before.

[Volgastallion]

Aston Martin had another series of problems but this time with Alonso who couldn't even run 1 lap on Q2...and it seems the last update they had in Texas really made the car worse than before.

It was not his fault, it was because of a crash with the idiot of Esteban Ocon, he made a msitake and crash into the wheel of Fernando Alonso , and after all he have the guts to say it was Fernando fault, what a `piece of shit is that childist man, he always have troubles with everyone, like with Perez on racing point Gasly, fernando etc.
I really want Ocon out of F1 is a bad person with horrible behavior with teammates and worst with other drivers.

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As I told you sprint race here was fun, one of the best tracks for it.

I'm annoyed by this f1 when drivers can't push due tyres managment.

[swogerino]

As I told you sprint race here was fun, one of the best tracks for it.

I'm annoyed by this f1 when drivers can't push due tyres managment.

The sprint race prepares us to see a really nice race tomorrow based on the starting grid of the qualifying of yesterday.I only hope that no bullshit of enter before this lap in pit stop is mandatory is in this track as it would be catastrophic in the loss of spectacle if we have it here.The sprint kept us all "breathless" in the final stages where Ricciardo and Piastri hold back real good against their opponents.Norris did also a great race and during 24 laps the gap was only 3.5 seconds to the leader which in the race of tomorrow with a good strategy it can be overcome.

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Dunno I liked a lot more the F1 of 2021 before the changes of the car.

FIA ruined everything imho, races are boring more than ever, this is the 1st year in my life that I'm not hyped about F1 at all.

[karabiber]

The 2020 season was also dominated, but it was a race year  to watch even for the competition in the middle of the pack. This season has its own boredom. The sprint needs to be abolished immediately, it's a completely unnecessary extra points system and doesn't contribute in the slightest. If they say that there will be a reverse grid in the sprint race and the driver who will start the race first will start from the end. Then the passes would make sense. What makes sense to me is to give points to everyone. The ranking between 10-20 doesn't matter and at least the points would be a bit more attractive. I think the number of teams is not so important and what is important is the competition. You need a certain level of competition.

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what a race from Alonso.

He deserve the driver of the race, and at the same time Perez deserves to be sacked.

[Velvet78]

It was mostly a boring race but indeed that was hell of a competition between Perez and Alonso in the last laps of the race.    Alonso defended him for a really long time but after Perez overtook him I thought that was it. However Alonso's retaliation was really amazing after that. He had a really hard time maintaining his place at the end of the race.

Because the drivers got past the finish line side by side. Alonso finished only 0.05 ahead of Perez. That was a really hard-fought podium.

[retreat]

It was a messy start to the race as Leclerc had to be disqualified from the race before it even started. It was unlucky for him to be disqualified even though his performance in the Sprint race yesterday was quite good. And once again Max won the race easily without any significant resistance from Norris. But the battle between Fernando and Perez was an interesting show at the end of the race. The block pass from Alonso and how frustrating it was for Perez to take his place again was very entertaining.

[püsür]

It was a messy start to the race as Leclerc had to be disqualified from the race before it even started. It was unlucky for him to be disqualified even though his performance in the Sprint race yesterday was quite good. And once again Max won the race easily without any significant resistance from Norris. But the battle between Fernando and Perez was an interesting show at the end of the race. The block pass from Alonso and how frustrating it was for Perez to take his place again was very entertaining.

Alonso - Perez battle will be one of the rare unforgettable moments of the 2023 season. Alonso was outstanding. Perez said he was not dead yet. These two made the race watchable. In general, verstappen and norris competed at a different level. Stroll reassured. Mercedes was slow. Alpine was in their usual place. Tsunoda took 2 critical points. Ferrari did not surprise. Ferrari should withdraw for another 5 years so that it can only recover. With this mindset, they cannot be champions for another 16 years, not 32 years. The issue is not Max, but f1 continues its life as a tyre struggle. Drivers fight for tyres rather than good or bad vehicles. If the car does not eat tyres, which varies from track to track for each vehicle, you are definitely in the top three, otherwise the rest is a story.

[tokeweed]

^  Didn't watch the race but I saw the highlights...  And yeah, I guess Perez trying to redeem himself and trying to show  that he deserves another contract with Red Bull.  But is it too late?  I think yup...  Kinda too late.  Marko and Horner prolly has decided mid way thru the season.

Just a couple of so so races to go.  Hopefully one of Mercedes, Ferrari or any of the other teams come up with something and make it close next season.  :/

And I don't know if this is real but saw this pic.  Hilarious if real.  

[Davian144]

This week the MotoGP race will take place at the Sepang Petronas International Circuit, which will take place consecutively in three weeks without a break for the remaining three series this season and Bagnaia and Martin will try to appear aggressive because there are only 111 points still up for grabs. by all riders in the three series including the two of them too. This will certainly be very interesting because there will no longer be breaks every week for the remaining three series.

https://www.motogp.com/en/news/2023/11/06/all-or-nothing-sepang-sets-the-final-countdown-in-motion/482803

[tygeade]

^  Didn't watch the race but I saw the highlights...  And yeah, I guess Perez trying to redeem himself and trying to show  that he deserves another contract with Red Bull.  But is it too late?  I think yup...  Kinda too late.  Marko and Horner prolly has decided mid way thru the season.

Just a couple of so so races to go.  Hopefully one of Mercedes, Ferrari or any of the other teams come up with something and make it close next season.  :/

I do not know if he went out or not, but I know that he is definitely watching the big screens, he has talked about it before, when you are that much ahead of everyone else and still doing the same pace and making the difference bigger, you do end up watching the screens a lot more.

There aren't that much to do during the race, I mean if you are racing to beat someone then you focus on the race and that does help you not get bored, but when you are so much ahead of everyone else, there isn't really anything that you could do that could make you have fun, you are going to get bored from watching the same track and just go round and round, you need to get a lot better. Eventually that does make you get better and you can do the fastest lap if you do that, but you could also get bored of that.

[emrecemsan]

The overtake rivalry between Alonso and Perez was awesome! Alonso showed his experience in a really great way by fighting back against Perez strongly and defending his position "like a lion". 

Being 42 years old isn't a negative side for Alonso at all. He is still racing like in his younger times. This is what makes him one of the most special drivers in F1 history. When it comes to Perez's future at Red Bull it is difficult to predict for now. Maybe Red Bull might decide to give him another year there. Because Verstappen's performance has been enough to make Red Bull the champions single-handedly.

I mean even if Perez had zero points now Verstappen was still going to bring the title to his team.