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[Davian144]

Martin is indeed more talented IMHO.

But if Bagnana will lose the title it will be only his fault, since at the start of the season he slept 3 times alone when he was leading or close to leading the race.

Yesterday in the Sprint Bagnaia also couldn't make up the points gap so Martin again cut the points gap a little more and today there might be more interesting surprises so the race will be even more exciting with their battles with those of the other riders. Bagnaia must not make any more mistakes today if he wants to retain his title.

i think both riders are talented, now it's just a matter of whose strategy is better. martin has set a strategy that he will play not aggressively because in several races he tried to play aggressively and that was quite dangerous for his position. and bagnaia also made a strategy to be faster at the start and try to get the best position in the qualifying session for the best place in the race.

so both drivers really prepare themselves for the best and if they lose it's not their own fault because they don't just race alone, but together with the team that designs their racing strategy.

Let's see how the two of them carry out their strategy, because other drivers will also be obstacles for those who are chasing the title this season. Martin will still be as strong as yesterday in the Sprint and Alex Marquez will probably also be a very real nuisance for both of them today because yesterday he was absolutely outstanding in the Sprint.

[Koal-84]

Some rumors about Moto GP.

Marini will probably join Honda next Year.

And I think it will be a mistake leaving Ducati, but you know...

Switching from Ducati to Honda is probably the worst thing you can do at the moment, unless you can't get a place with a team.

For Bastianini an almost perfect weekend and come back, Bagnaia also did the best for himself and the world championship and even made up a point on Martin, even if 14 points with two races to go is not much.

[boty]

Some rumors about Moto GP.

Marini will probably join Honda next Year.

And I think it will be a mistake leaving Ducati, but you know...

Switching from Ducati to Honda is probably the worst thing you can do at the moment, unless you can't get a place with a team.

For Bastianini an almost perfect weekend and come back, Bagnaia also did the best for himself and the world championship and even made up a point on Martin, even if 14 points with two races to go is not much.

It is indeed not a good choice to leave the best motorbike on the current grid and switch to a motorbike that is very difficult to finish a race, if it is true that Marini accepted an offer from Honda, of course there are other things that he saw so he accepted the offer from Honda.

A very good race for Bastianini today because he managed to get first today with two series remaining, of course this will add more opponents to Martin and Bagnaia.

[swogerino]

Some rumors about Moto GP.

Marini will probably join Honda next Year.

And I think it will be a mistake leaving Ducati, but you know...

We don't know the basics behind this move.Of course Ducati is the most powerful bike at the moment but wasn't McLaren the fastest car or near the fastest car when Lewis Hamilton moved to Mercedes just to make an analogy and we all know how that story went well for Lewis Hamilton after that.

The same can happen to Marini and since he is not winning any Championship nor fighting for the title here at MotoGP,based on this I can understand such move from him,maybe he thinks that Honda will come back and he would be happy to be riding for them when this happens.

[panjul07]

Bagnaia lost points again.
Luckily for him, Martin ended in second position.

His advantage now is only 13 points.

It is 14 points now, it will be great to see that the competition between Pecco and Martin for the title will be determined in the last race.
Martin is a great rider and he is still young compared to other, lets say he fails to steal the title this season, I hope he will do it in the next season.

Some rumors about Moto GP.

Marini will probably join Honda next Year.

And I think it will be a mistake leaving Ducati, but you know...

Without a doubt Ducati is the best bike this season, how about Honda next season? Will Honda be able to make significant improvement to be more competitive?
If we look at the current situation, moving to Honda is a mistake ofc but we do not know what will happen with Marini + Honda next season.
Perhaps Marini want to take a risky challenge so he wants to move to Honda, but I think it will be better if he stays.

[ILuckyGuyI]

We are only 2 races away from at the end of the season now. I'm getting more curious about what action Red Bull will decide to take about Perez situation. As we have known his performance has dropped down a lot lately. It dropped so sharply that we even started to see some amateurish mistakes from him like the one at the beginning of the Mexico GP and there was his weird incident during the Suzuka GP.  

We don't have the same old Perez anymore at least for now. I wonder whether he can collect himself until next season to return stronger. If he believes that he can manage to fix his current concentration problems then I would like him to stay at Red Bull. Because I don't feel like Ricciardo can guarantee performing better than Perez. We don't have a competitive Ricciardo anymore.

[Volgastallion]

We are only 2 races away from at the end of the season now. I'm getting more curious about what action Red Bull will decide to take about Perez situation. As we have known his performance has dropped down a lot lately. It dropped so sharply that we even started to see some amateurish mistakes from him like the one at the beginning of the Mexico GP and there was his weird incident during the Suzuka GP.  

We don't have the same old Perez anymore at least for now. I wonder whether he can collect himself until next season to return stronger. If he believes that he can manage to fix his current concentration problems then I would like him to stay at Red Bull. Because I don't feel like Ricciardo can guarantee performing better than Perez. We don't have a competitive Ricciardo anymore.

For me he is already out of RedBull team in F1 and maybe also out of F1.... i don t know what are his plans and what also has RedBull in is mind, and who is gonna be his replace, maybe Ricciardo? i dont know.... Some guys are getting old and so much young blood is waiting to take the seats.

[coinlocket$]

The big result today for the Italian.

He kept basically the same advantage but they have 1 less race to race.

Not sure if they will have more sprint races before the end of the season or they are done with them

[Davian144]

Switching from Ducati to Honda is probably the worst thing you can do at the moment, unless you can't get a place with a team.

I also have that assumption, because in almost all the series held this year, Ducati motorbikes are almost very often seen at the front and dominate the front row. Meanwhile, Honda is almost often a fixture in the back row, so it is very possible that the decision made by Marini is a bad thing for next season. Because Marquez no longer feels at home there.

For Bastianini an almost perfect weekend and come back, Bagnaia also did the best for himself and the world championship and even made up a point on Martin, even if 14 points with two races to go is not much.

In essence, Bagnaia has also done something good and extraordinary by being on the third podium and finishing the race ahead of Martin so that Bagnaia can still maintain a points distance from Martin, even though it is only 14 points. However, Bagnaia must continue to fight hard in the two remaining series, especially in the Qatar series which will be held at the end of this week.

It is indeed not a good choice to leave the best motorbike on the current grid and switch to a motorbike that is very difficult to finish a race, if it is true that Marini accepted an offer from Honda, of course there are other things that he saw so he accepted the offer from Honda.

A very good race for Bastianini today because he managed to get first today with two series remaining, of course this will add more opponents to Martin and Bagnaia.

There won't be much that Marini can do if his bike isn't competitive enough like this season if he actually accepts the offer from Honda. Because Honda is looking for a very talented rider for next season, because they have lost the tough rider they often relied on in previous seasons, namely Marquez. So I was a little surprised when rumors about Marini started appearing in many media today.

[swogerino]

We are only 2 races away from at the end of the season now. I'm getting more curious about what action Red Bull will decide to take about Perez situation. As we have known his performance has dropped down a lot lately. It dropped so sharply that we even started to see some amateurish mistakes from him like the one at the beginning of the Mexico GP and there was his weird incident during the Suzuka GP.  

We don't have the same old Perez anymore at least for now. I wonder whether he can collect himself until next season to return stronger. If he believes that he can manage to fix his current concentration problems then I would like him to stay at Red Bull. Because I don't feel like Ricciardo can guarantee performing better than Perez. We don't have a competitive Ricciardo anymore.

In the last race at least he showed in the last couple of laps that his fighting spirit is still there against Alonso and of course I never expected him to beat Alonso when both cars were performing nearly the same in those last laps.For the moment I don't see any good successor to him that will allow Verstappen to win easily and Redbull already knows this that is why most likely they will continue with him even with 2024 as this would mean another easy title for Verstappen if other teams don't improve their cars.As long as they have been silent on this matter it means they are going to honor his contract also for 2024.

[moneystery]

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In essence, Bagnaia has also done something good and extraordinary by being on the third podium and finishing the race ahead of Martin so that Bagnaia can still maintain a points distance from Martin, even though it is only 14 points. However, Bagnaia must continue to fight hard in the two remaining series, especially in the Qatar series which will be held at the end of this week.

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bagnaia and martin put on a world-class show, where the two of them fought side to side, elbow to elbow, which was very exciting to watch. but it must be admitted that bagnaia remains calm, patient, with a neat racing line in responding to martin and that is what allows him to maintain his position.

it was just unlucky for martin not to get p3, but if martin can see the opportunity and improve his strategy going forward, i think martin can catch bagnaia in the remaining sprints and races ahead even though it will be quite difficult.

[Koal-84]

It is 14 points now, it will be great to see that the competition between Pecco and Martin for the title will be determined in the last race.
Martin is a great rider and he is still young compared to other, lets say he fails to steal the title this season, I hope he will do it in the next season.

There are still 3 races to go (including the two sprint races where only half the points are awarded) and a lot can happen, there is still a maximum of 74 points, so a crash from either of them and the cards will be reshuffled, but I hope there is no crash and the championship will be decided in Valencia. But I still think that Bagnaia should just about manage to defend the title in Valencia, although the pressure on both of them will be pretty equal. Hopefully a third rider won't crash with one of them and decide the championship.

Next season will be interesting to see how well Marc copes with the Ducati, although I don't think he can fight for the title again.

[emrecemsan]

I have examined the Las Vegas track before the race weekend. I wasn't contented with what I saw to tell the truth. Because the straights are just too long. This track would make use of more turns in my opinion. It would make the race more watchable. Of course, having long straights is good for watching more overtakes as well. But it makes the track more boring when the number of turns is really low. I believe that it is against the nature of Formula 1. The drivers would also not feel like they are being challenged I think.

I'm putting the image of the track below for you to understand what I mean better:

[coinlocket$]

GM will be in Formula 1.

Americans are expanding the brand in their country.

Idk if they can be competitive at the start but it is now official.

[Davian144]

bagnaia and martin put on a world-class show, where the two of them fought side to side, elbow to elbow, which was very exciting to watch. but it must be admitted that bagnaia remains calm, patient, with a neat racing line in responding to martin and that is what allows him to maintain his position.

Their competition was only presented for a very short duration because after that, the race felt very sleepy due to the riders in the front row having quite a big gap. I still want to see how they compete in Qatar at the end of this week because Qatar also has a pretty good circuit for the Ducati factory as well as for several top riders from all manufacturers.

it was just unlucky for martin not to get p3, but if martin can see the opportunity and improve his strategy going forward, i think martin can catch bagnaia in the remaining sprints and races ahead even though it will be quite difficult.

I don't think it's that difficult for Martin to catch up with the 14 points that Bagnaia has in the two remaining series this season, because if Martin has better focus in the Qatar series and the final series in Spain, I think Bagnaia will also have heavy pressure for that matter. So their competition will be presented again this week in Qatar.

[AprilioMP]

I don't think it's that difficult for Martin to catch up with the 14 points that Bagnaia has in the two remaining series this season, because if Martin has better focus in the Qatar series and the final series in Spain, I think Bagnaia will also have heavy pressure for that matter. So their competition will be presented again this week in Qatar.

With two series remaining, Martin only needs one win.
In one race series, Martin could possibly get a total of 37 points if he wins the sprint race and race. So, 14 points is very close and Bagnaia must be wary of the small mistakes he might experience.
The remaining two series will be very tense events for both riders. If Martin can get 37 points in one series, the Ducati Lenovo Team will be very disappointed with Bagnaia because Martin is only a rider from the Prima Pramac Team.

[swogerino]

I don't think it's that difficult for Martin to catch up with the 14 points that Bagnaia has in the two remaining series this season, because if Martin has better focus in the Qatar series and the final series in Spain, I think Bagnaia will also have heavy pressure for that matter. So their competition will be presented again this week in Qatar.

With two series remaining, Martin only needs one win.
In one race series, Martin could possibly get a total of 37 points if he wins the sprint race and race. So, 14 points is very close and Bagnaia must be wary of the small mistakes he might experience.
The remaining two series will be very tense events for both riders. If Martin can get 37 points in one series, the Ducati Lenovo Team will be very disappointed with Bagnaia because Martin is only a rider from the Prima Pramac Team.

I don't think Martin will held such pressure very well compared to Bagnaia who is more experienced and also a World Champion.Bagnaia needs to be careful to manage these last two races to not crash in the early stages and then to recover gradually if it happens that he is behind Martin.Of course the competition here in the MotoGP is much better than F1 where the world Champion is already decided several races before the end of the season and this is a huge boost to better visibility and followers for MotoGp rather than F1 in this context.If the odds are good though I would bet on Bagnaia to win the season.

[Davian144]

With two series remaining, Martin only needs one win.
In one race series, Martin could possibly get a total of 37 points if he wins the sprint race and race. So, 14 points is very close and Bagnaia must be wary of the small mistakes he might experience.
The remaining two series will be very tense events for both riders. If Martin can get 37 points in one series, the Ducati Lenovo Team will be very disappointed with Bagnaia because Martin is only a rider from the Prima Pramac Team.

It seems there is one thing that makes you forget to calculate the number of points, namely points for Bagnaia in one race series. Because you only count points for Martin and don't count points for Bagnaia, now let's say as a small example that for example Martin can win the race and Sprint by getting 37 points in one series, while Bagnaia manages to finish right behind Martin in one series or in other words managed to finish in second place with 29 points. That means Bagnaia still has a 9 point advantage as his capital in the closing series of this season, namely at Valencia and now try to calculate whether what I said is true?

I don't think Martin will held such pressure very well compared to Bagnaia who is more experienced and also a World Champion.Bagnaia needs to be careful to manage these last two races to not crash in the early stages and then to recover gradually if it happens that he is behind Martin.Of course the competition here in the MotoGP is much better than F1 where the world Champion is already decided several races before the end of the season and this is a huge boost to better visibility and followers for MotoGp rather than F1 in this context.If the odds are good though I would bet on Bagnaia to win the season.

The potential still looks the same even though up to now Bagnaia still has a lead of 14 points and this will still make the remaining two series this season even fiercer in terms of competition between the two. I am also quite sure that Bagnaia will be able to defend his title for this season if he doesn't make the slightest mistake, because the distance is so close that both of them have to fight together until the end of the season to determine who will be world champion this season.

[karabiber]

Next race will be Las Vegas one, that is going to definitely be a fun one without a doubt for racers. I mean we are talking about somewhere "new" give or take, even though there has been races there before, F1 added it recently. I think it is going to be a  bit shocking because not that many racers have raced there, so that means they do not have enough time there and this could change a lot.

It does bring in rookies (or young racers) closer to older ones, because when you are that good, as a veteran, you know how to save and all, but when you do not have track experience that much, it does bring in racers closer. This doesn't really apply to many teams, but could apply to ones like Mercedes, where I believe experience of Hamilton brought in a lot more points to him so far, and Russell could definitely give him a run for his money this race around. Lets see, we are going to see a race where I bet that some unexpected results will happen for sure.

I think the Las Vegas GP is going to be a spectacular opening ceremony, you can't miss the introduction of the drivers, the tour of the track and so on. With the cold weather conditions, the new, smooth asphalt and the fact that it's the first time to drive on this track, it's going to be a race full of surprises. In Las Vegas, Ferrari, with a car that consumes tires in normal weather conditions because it's cold, could warm them up faster than its rivals, especially in qualifying. Also, the Las Vegas GP could be a record breaking race for Verstappen. What happens in Vegas stays in Vegas.

[FanEagle]

I believe that we are going to see a big fight for the second place to be fair, not everyone talks about that but Hamilton is going for that second place, and that's a big boost to the team, with such a horrible car at the start of the season, they really did make a huge comeback without a doubt.

We are talking about only 22 point difference and yes not that many races left but if Perez DNF's or something, or gets very low points, Hamilton seriously has a chance to do that, with just 2 races left, Hamilton could get 18-18 total of 36 points if he finishes second, I doubt Max would leave the first place, but Hamilton could get 36 points with 2 second finishes, that should allow him to have a big chance to become second overall.