[0Th]Ozcoin Pooled Mining |DGM 1%|Stratum+VarDiff port 80|NEW CN mining|

[BitMinerN8]

Public Disclosure.

On Saturday afternoon I was notified that Strongcoin was holding 568 BTC believed to be from the Ozcoin theft. Everytime you make a payment from StrongCoin the fee goes to 1STRonGxnFTeJiA7pgyneKknR29AwBM77 so any payments from strongcoin held accounts are easily traced back to the site.


I was asked by 2 separate people on this forum if I could hold the funds (Sorry to the people I didn't reply to). The evidence that these funds came from the heist seemed plausible to me.

At 8am yesterday morning the funds were intercepted when the user made a payment.

https://blockchain.info/address/1DsFCAZaxhJ9YGw5X8NCW9VkSMDZMyXzMF

I've spoken to the user in question over email. The user says he sold a car for BTC but can't reveal who to due to an NDA agreement.

Graeme and I had a conversation over the phone and some evidence came to light, that to me, made it very likely the user I have contact with was connected to the heist. I'm not going to reveal any details of the user accept to legal authorities if asked. I believe we should abide by due process.

I have sent a link to this post to the user so he/she can comment. Otherwise in the next few hours I will return the funds to Graeme, he can then decide what happens to those funds.

Despite having done the morally 'right' thing, what you have done might be illegal, and it certainly opens you up to legal liability.

How can you prove the 'thief' did not legitimately get ahold of the coins? If he had purchased them with cash, what proof would he have? Ignoring for the moment he claimed to have sold a car. (Although the user has no obligation to tell you the truth regarding where he got the coins).

In a case like this- I don't think you have the  authority to seize user funds without some sort of legal decision allowing you to do so. What criminal investigation determined the 'thief' a thief? How are you protected from this user not suing you? Did Garet file a police report for the theft? How can you prove to a judge a theft meven occurred? How could you prove it's not an elaborate ruse? (Not saying it is, but hypothetically)

I think you have opened a very dangerous Pandora's box here. You did the right thing morally, but you may have committed an even graver crime. Unlawful seizure of assets.

And raising a question of integrity of the entire strongcoin.com operation. How can the community be sure their BTC are safe if they can be redirected in the described manor? 

Don't get me wrong, I'm glad Graet received partial BTC back, it's just the method used raises questions long term.

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[LazyOtto]

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I believe we should abide by due process.
...

It seems that, no, you don't.

Pandora's box, indeed.

-- edit

Looks like you have proven this statement on the www.strongcoin.com page is a lie:
"neither we nor anyone else can spend your Bitcoins. Only you. "

[zebedee]

Looks like you have proven this statement on the www.strongcoin.com page is a lie:
"neither we nor anyone else can spend your Bitcoins. Only you. "

No, that claim is correct, the thief did spend his own coins.  He just didn't realize he was sending them to dogisland

[jubalix]

Public Disclosure.

On Saturday afternoon I was notified that Strongcoin was holding 568 BTC believed to be from the Ozcoin theft. Everytime you make a payment from StrongCoin the fee goes to 1STRonGxnFTeJiA7pgyneKknR29AwBM77 so any payments from strongcoin held accounts are easily traced back to the site.


I was asked by 2 separate people on this forum if I could hold the funds (Sorry to the people I didn't reply to). The evidence that these funds came from the heist seemed plausible to me.

At 8am yesterday morning the funds were intercepted when the user made a payment.

https://blockchain.info/address/1DsFCAZaxhJ9YGw5X8NCW9VkSMDZMyXzMF

I've spoken to the user in question over email. The user says he sold a car for BTC but can't reveal who to due to an NDA agreement.

Graeme and I had a conversation over the phone and some evidence came to light, that to me, made it very likely the user I have contact with was connected to the heist. I'm not going to reveal any details of the user accept to legal authorities if asked. I believe we should abide by due process.

I have sent a link to this post to the user so he/she can comment. Otherwise in the next few hours I will return the funds to Graeme, he can then decide what happens to those funds.

I agree 100% Graet should get his money back....

How exactly did you intercept BTC though given your websites claim that you do not hold any access to private keys of addresses you host....??

Can you clear this up....??

also what do you understand as due process?

[jubalix]

Looks like you have proven this statement on the www.strongcoin.com page is a lie:
"neither we nor anyone else can spend your Bitcoins. Only you. "

No, that claim is correct, the thief did spend his own coins.  He just didn't realize he was sending them to dogisland

how did he not realize this....?

[refer_2_me]

Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, searching didn't help.
Where did the PoT statistics go? I'm using PoT for some of my miners and a few days ago there was a page saying how much you made that that block and how much you would have made if you had used DGM or PPS. But now I can't find that page.
Am I missing something here?

Thanks

[Graet]

Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, searching didn't help.
Where did the PoT statistics go? I'm using PoT for some of my miners and a few days ago there was a page saying how much you made that that block and how much you would have made if you had used DGM or PPS. But now I can't find that page.
Am I missing something here?

Thanks

That page was being fixed when the hack happened, it has come back to the top of the list for fixing

[refer_2_me]

Sorry if this has been answered elsewhere, searching didn't help.
Where did the PoT statistics go? I'm using PoT for some of my miners and a few days ago there was a page saying how much you made that that block and how much you would have made if you had used DGM or PPS. But now I can't find that page.
Am I missing something here?

Thanks

That page was being fixed when the hack happened, it has come back to the top of the list for fixing

Ah, thanks alot!

[kano]

Looks like you have proven this statement on the www.strongcoin.com page is a lie:
"neither we nor anyone else can spend your Bitcoins. Only you. "

No, that claim is correct, the thief did spend his own coins.  He just didn't realize he was sending them to dogisland

There is also an interesting non-BTC comparison ...

When a bank or ebay or paypal takes your money back due to a dispute does the law say they are stealing it? No.
People lose money this way, when they aren't in the wrong, often.

Of course I don't agree with anyone having the power to redirect someone else's BTC, but where the law stands with regards to that would be a rather murky area IMO ...

[felente]

This might be OT, but will this happen to regular users if strong coin is compromised? I just came to this thread after seeing this thread : https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=184610.0

now we have (in short) following situation:
ozcoin did a mistake (not good), thief did his job (bad), and then worse - Dogisland did a Self-Justice (hm...) without any authorization by the law or by the community.
generally this is the same, what did the thief, even more than that (in the global view).
this is very dangerous tendency IMO.

i think bitcoin has a potential to financial freedom, and any art of freedom has a price. we must pay it sometimes.
BUT on the other side - we must know where ends freedom and where begins an anarchy...

well i was (i am) on the ozcoins side, but the whole picture now is...

...rather murky...

yes
:/

as not regular ozcoin-miner i offered some mining/donation to ozcoin (and i will do so), but now i am less motivated, to be honest.

[felente]

ok. now less philosophy by me and one pool-newbie question

how is meant "Donation from DGM Payout in %" in the profile options?
so,
1) "percents" will be deducted from my all-shares and i get "remaining" shares counted, or
2) i will get all my shares and "percents" will be deducted at payouts?
3) or how?

thx )

[Graet]

ok. now less philosophy by me and one pool-newbie question

how is meant "Donation from DGM Payout in %" in the profile options?
so,
1) "percents" will be deducted from my all-shares and i get "remaining" shares counted, or
2) i will get all my shares and "percents" will be deducted at payouts?
3) or how?

thx )

the percentage is taken from earnings before they are displayed as round credit or confirmed credit

[Wayno]

you can now lock ur bitcon address. this cannot be undone. so choose wisely my sons.

[haveagr8day]

I have a question with my PoT stats. I would think that (unpaid amount + amount paid out) should equal lifetime total, but they are not even close. Is there someway that I have to trigger it to payout that amount or what am I missing? See screenshot https://www.dropbox.com/s/s1b5rqjv9yuv56r/pot%20stats.png

[O_Shovah]

Hello everybody.

I encounter a strange GUI behavior.

When i access https://ozcoin.net the  left side bar "User Menu" is displayed.
I am not logged in at this point.
The "User Menu" contains a single subbar "POT statistics".

The "POT statistics" contains the same subdirectories as if i were logged in,
but no data.

May please somone verify this behaviour.
Is it intended ?

[zero-asic]

I think I noticed a bug in a the User Statistics for DMG.

The Confirmed Credit is the same as the Total Credit.  I think right now the correct number is the Total Credit and the Confirmed Credit is the one that's wrong.  If you want to know what your Confirmed Credit is, just take the Total Credit and subtract the Unconfirmed Credit.

Edit: It looks like Graet fixed it.

[levino]

Public Disclosure.

On Saturday afternoon I was notified that Strongcoin was holding 568 BTC believed to be from the Ozcoin theft. Everytime you make a payment from StrongCoin the fee goes to 1STRonGxnFTeJiA7pgyneKknR29AwBM77 so any payments from strongcoin held accounts are easily traced back to the site.


I was asked by 2 separate people on this forum if I could hold the funds (Sorry to the people I didn't reply to). The evidence that these funds came from the heist seemed plausible to me.

At 8am yesterday morning the funds were intercepted when the user made a payment.

https://blockchain.info/address/1DsFCAZaxhJ9YGw5X8NCW9VkSMDZMyXzMF

I've spoken to the user in question over email. The user says he sold a car for BTC but can't reveal who to due to an NDA agreement.

Graeme and I had a conversation over the phone and some evidence came to light, that to me, made it very likely the user I have contact with was connected to the heist. I'm not going to reveal any details of the user accept to legal authorities if asked. I believe we should abide by due process.

I have sent a link to this post to the user so he/she can comment. Otherwise in the next few hours I will return the funds to Graeme, he can then decide what happens to those funds.

Sorry for the language, but it has to be done: Thanks for the price drop, bitch!

[Tinua]

Hi Graet

My workerspeed show allways 0.00 MHash/s, but the shares count up. 

Code:

marrog.201		0.00 MHash/s	51,100	288	2013-04-25 22:35:42	99.44%

[crazyates]

So what's the current status for OzCoin? Are we back up 100%, all nodes working (with updated security fixes) and payout processing as intended?

[peterepeat]

I am currently mining with ozcoin and have noticed my hashrate has not changed at all since 5 AM this morning (the hashrate graph, which is normally fairly volatile has been horizontal on this hashrate for 6 hours. Additionaly, my last 24 hrs earnings has been steadily declining all day.
 
I am guessing something is wrong.