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Ionomy is a business not a charity. A Business needs money not good will to survive.
Ionomy is a premined pump and dump scheme with a lack of transparency regarding premine addresses and team masternodes. Stay away from it.
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Seasonal promotions 99% of the time are tactical initiatives unless your business is built around festivities i.e. you sell pumpkins. These promotions do 2 things offer an additional benefit to the consumer i.e. compelling offer and also to the company i.e. additional revenue As ION don't sell pumpkins I see this promotion as a tactical initiative. A great opportunity for the customer to buy some ION and an opportunity for ION to make some money. Ionomy is a business not a charity. A Business needs money not good will to survive. As a whale I don't want to live in a pond, I want to live in an ocean. I'm glad you've been reviewing my old posts you might learn something I'm just another lying shilling "whale"........... that's rich coming from you Happy Halloween and enjoy your special day..... it's the day you get to walk down the street and people don't run away so make the most of it Your shill piece is missing an important detail. The "promotion" has nothing to promote. "Buy these IONs so you could get more IONs that we're inflating from our free stash of premined IONs" doesn't offer any value to the "investors". Of course I'm not expecting you to admit that you shilled yourself into a corner with bullshit like "Ionomy don't need money". Need or not, they are taking that money and giving out IONs far cheaper than during the ICO. As I've always said, it didn't make sense to buy ION even if you strongly believed in it. Should have just waited to get it cheaper later. And you kept repeating how it's gonna be too late or some such nonsense. But that's fine, maybe one day you'll learn to never bet against greed and stupidity.
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Now why would anyone here oblige... Whatever ION or people that support ION say or do doesn't matter as we are all sacks of shit or retarded.... please hold your breath whilst you wait for a response Nice try but you already responded in numerous and humorous ways as to why the nice guys do the things they do. And guess what, you were wrong, just as many here were trying to tell you. So much for due diligence and vision and all that shit... you're just another lying shilling "whale" Ionomy don't need money they have enough to implement the first stages of their plan.
The "plan" seems to be taking shape. Relieving bagholders of their money for no reason at all. But the team is indeed "innovative", I'll give you that... they managed to keep a straight face while asking for a third round of funding with nothing to show for the first two. That must make you feel really happy for your investment. Seasonal promotions 99% of the time are tactical initiatives unless your business is built around festivities i.e. you sell pumpkins. These promotions do 2 things offer an additional benefit to the consumer i.e. compelling offer and also to the company i.e. additional revenue As ION don't sell pumpkins I see this promotion as a tactical initiative. A great opportunity for the customer to buy some ION and an opportunity for ION to make some money. Ionomy is a business not a charity. A Business needs money not good will to survive. As a whale I don't want to live in a pond, I want to live in an ocean. I'm glad you've been reviewing my old posts you might learn something I'm just another lying shilling "whale"........... that's rich coming from you Happy Halloween and enjoy your special day..... it's the day you get to walk down the street and people don't run away so make the most of it Since Ionomy is a business and not a charity, could you please post the link to the registration of Ionomy PTE? The Ionomy PTE that is listed as existing in the WP.
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Seasonal promotions 99% of the time are tactical initiatives unless your business is built around festivities i.e. you sell pumpkins. These promotions do 2 things offer an additional benefit to the consumer i.e. compelling offer and also to the company i.e. additional revenue As ION don't sell pumpkins I see this promotion as a tactical initiative. A great opportunity for the customer to buy some ION and an opportunity for ION to make some money. Ionomy is a business not a charity. A Business needs money not good will to survive. As a whale I don't want to live in a pond, I want to live in an ocean. I'm glad you've been reviewing my old posts you might learn something I'm just another lying shilling "whale"........... that's rich coming from you Happy Halloween and enjoy your special day..... it's the day you get to walk down the street and people don't run away so make the most of it Your shill piece is missing an important detail. The "promotion" has nothing to promote. "Buy these IONs so you could get more IONs that we're inflating from our free stash of premined IONs" doesn't offer any value to the "investors". Of course I'm not expecting you to admit that you shilled yourself into a corner with bullshit like "Ionomy don't need money". Need or not, they are taking that money and giving out IONs far cheaper than during the ICO. As I've always said, it didn't make sense to buy ION even if you strongly believed in it. Should have just waited to get it cheaper later. And you kept repeating how it's gonna be too late or some such nonsense. But that's fine, maybe one day you'll learn to never bet against greed and stupidity. Your shill piece is missing an important detail. The "promotion" has nothing to promote. "Buy these IONs so you could get more IONs that we're inflating from our free stash of premined IONs" doesn't offer any value to the "investors".I can see where the hate comes from now it's Staker not StakeHer.... don't get confused the ION community is full of such nice people they would never resort to using a stake although many would eat a steak which is a bit different. I do like the way you accuse me of shilling by taking my response out of context when all I'm doing is responding to your post which is clearly directed at me. Of course I'm not expecting you to admit that you shilled yourself into a corner with bullshit like "Ionomy don't need money". Need or not, they are taking that money and giving out IONs far cheaper than during the ICO.Shilled myself into a corner is a comment for next year not now. Not everyone is tactically driven driven which btw is not a bad thing. It's just that you need to also have a eye to the future which is something you probably have too. Your mission is to destroy ION which is a different objective to myself. With this in mind I cannot fault your actions your doing a great job although it's worth noting that every day the team is still around your job is getting harder and harder because these guys will continue to deliver. As I've always said, it didn't make sense to buy ION even if you strongly believed in it. Should have just waited to get it cheaper later. And you kept repeating how it's gonna be too late or some such nonsense. But that's fine, maybe one day you'll learn to never bet against greed and stupidity.You also said that about hashlets but you still bought a few although once again your right if my objective was a short term tactically driven one. You carry on trying to undermine my credibility, give it enough time and you probably will as we all have skeletons in the closet . Until then though all your doing is exposing yourself for the troll that you are. Your a more intelligent troll than Franz which is kinda weird as I still think your one person but then again what's the point in have multiple alts when they all have the same personality Anyway Happy Halloween
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October 31, 2016, 03:09:18 PM |
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Now why would anyone here oblige... Whatever ION or people that support ION say or do doesn't matter as we are all sacks of shit or retarded.... please hold your breath whilst you wait for a response Nice try but you already responded in numerous and humorous ways as to why the nice guys do the things they do. And guess what, you were wrong, just as many here were trying to tell you. So much for due diligence and vision and all that shit... you're just another lying shilling "whale" Ionomy don't need money they have enough to implement the first stages of their plan.
The "plan" seems to be taking shape. Relieving bagholders of their money for no reason at all. But the team is indeed "innovative", I'll give you that... they managed to keep a straight face while asking for a third round of funding with nothing to show for the first two. That must make you feel really happy for your investment. Seasonal promotions 99% of the time are tactical initiatives unless your business is built around festivities i.e. you sell pumpkins. These promotions do 2 things offer an additional benefit to the consumer i.e. compelling offer and also to the company i.e. additional revenue As ION don't sell pumpkins I see this promotion as a tactical initiative. A great opportunity for the customer to buy some ION and an opportunity for ION to make some money. Ionomy is a business not a charity. A Business needs money not good will to survive. As a whale I don't want to live in a pond, I want to live in an ocean. I'm glad you've been reviewing my old posts you might learn something I'm just another lying shilling "whale"........... that's rich coming from you Happy Halloween and enjoy your special day..... it's the day you get to walk down the street and people don't run away so make the most of it Since Ionomy is a business and not a charity, could you please post the link to the registration of Ionomy PTE? The Ionomy PTE that is listed as existing in the WP. No point has when it's available it will be for all to see
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October 31, 2016, 03:38:27 PM Last edit: October 31, 2016, 04:01:37 PM by Franz_Huber |
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You carry on trying to undermine my credibility, give it enough time and you probably will as we all have skeletons in the closet . Until then though all your doing is exposing yourself for the troll that you are. Your a more intelligent troll than Franz which is kinda weird as I still think your one person but then again what's the point in have multiple alts when they all have the same personality Calling critics "trolls" was the favourite strategy of Paycoin shills on Hashtalk, too. And yet everything the so-called "trolls" warned about with GAW, Hashlets and XPY turned out to be correct. Keep calling us trolls. Keep shilling. Everyone who is not invested in ION can see this intransparent premined pump and dump scheme for what it really is.
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October 31, 2016, 04:21:59 PM Last edit: October 31, 2016, 07:43:27 PM by WildShark |
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Ionomy is a business not a charity. A Business needs money not good will to survive.
Ionomy is a premined pump and dump scheme with a lack of transparency regarding premine addresses and team masternodes. Stay away from it. Ionomy is a fun place to encourage innovation!!!
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October 31, 2016, 04:24:22 PM |
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Your shill piece is missing an important detail. The "promotion" has nothing to promote. "Buy these IONs so you could get more IONs that we're inflating from our free stash of premined IONs" doesn't offer any value to the "investors".I can see where the hate comes from now it's Staker not StakeHer.... don't get confused the ION community is full of such nice people they would never resort to using a stake although many would eat a steak which is a bit different. I do like the way you accuse me of shilling by taking my response out of context when all I'm doing is responding to your post which is clearly directed at me. Huh? What context? You clearly stated it's a promotion, and it's promoting nothing of any tangible value. The game is not out yet, cashtakers have been invented by Garza in 2014 and re-skinning them isn't making any sense to anyone except paycoiners. No idea what the rest of it is about. Steak Of course I'm not expecting you to admit that you shilled yourself into a corner with bullshit like "Ionomy don't need money". Need or not, they are taking that money and giving out IONs far cheaper than during the ICO.
Shilled myself into a corner is a comment for next year not now. Not everyone is tactically driven driven which btw is not a bad thing. It's just that you need to also have a eye to the future which is something you probably have too. Your mission is to destroy ION which is a different objective to myself. With this in mind I cannot fault your actions your doing a great job although it's worth noting that every day the team is still around your job is getting harder and harder because these guys will continue to deliver.
You keep repeating the nonsense about my "mission" or "agenda" as if ION was some uber-important entity that warrants destruction, and/or if I had such ability. It's just a laughable shitcoin with laughable shills. The team can continue "delivering" new rounds of crowdfunding, that just makes it more entertaining. But nice try avoiding to address the simple fact that ION is being "delivered" cheaper now than during the ICO... tactical or strategic, massive fail for anyone who bought it earlier. As I've always said, it didn't make sense to buy ION even if you strongly believed in it. Should have just waited to get it cheaper later. And you kept repeating how it's gonna be too late or some such nonsense. But that's fine, maybe one day you'll learn to never bet against greed and stupidity.You also said that about hashlets but you still bought a few although once again your right if my objective was a short term tactically driven one. You carry on trying to undermine my credibility, give it enough time and you probably will as we all have skeletons in the closet . Until then though all your doing is exposing yourself for the troll that you are. Your a more intelligent troll than Franz which is kinda weird as I still think your one person but then again what's the point in have multiple alts when they all have the same personality Anyway Happy Halloween Well, you got me there. I bought a few hashlets. Do you know WHY I did that? Because idiots like you wouldn't ask questions (sounds familiar?) so I thought I'd take Garza up on his offer to answer questions if asked by customers. Which made no difference whatsoever BTW. Also used them to track payouts for a pool comparison project I was running back then, but you shills are not into that mundane stuff, are you? Colorful PNGs is where you see "innovation" Now your paranoia is getting the best of you. Trolls, alts, etc. You still can't imagine that there would be more than one person who could be somewhat skeptical about the greatness of ionomy?
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Your shill piece is missing an important detail. The "promotion" has nothing to promote. "Buy these IONs so you could get more IONs that we're inflating from our free stash of premined IONs" doesn't offer any value to the "investors".I can see where the hate comes from now it's Staker not StakeHer.... don't get confused the ION community is full of such nice people they would never resort to using a stake although many would eat a steak which is a bit different. I do like the way you accuse me of shilling by taking my response out of context when all I'm doing is responding to your post which is clearly directed at me. Huh? What context? You clearly stated it's a promotion, and it's promoting nothing of any tangible value. The game is not out yet, cashtakers have been invented by Garza in 2014 and re-skinning them isn't making any sense to anyone except paycoiners. No idea what the rest of it is about. Steak i think he was trying to make some sort of rape joke involving "staking" vagina. i guess that's his and ion's idea of getting into the halloween spirit ... selling MSpaint "skins" to expaycoiners and telling bad rape jokes. disgusting. speaking of disgusting, here's a blast from the past. Follow the link and find out how Mr. Coins proved that gaw is not a scam! https://archive.is/27Iub
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but the prevailing fact is that you killed paycoin. ask monk, one of the ionomy whales. its all your fault you killed transitcoin, lendcoin, bitstone and some other paycoin derivates and obviously targeting ion by asking questions! hmm. coincidence? i think not. SEAPIG pte is as real as ionomy pte and is paying you ! ionomy is pure innovation can you use ions @ ionomy? no. because it makes no sense says matlack the cashtaker
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October 31, 2016, 08:40:24 PM |
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i think he was trying to make some sort of rape joke involving "staking" vagina. i guess that's his and ion's idea of getting into the halloween spirit ... selling MSpaint "skins" to expaycoiners and telling bad rape jokes. disgusting. speaking of disgusting, here's a blast from the past. Follow the link and find out how Mr. Coins proved that gaw is not a scam! https://archive.is/27IubOk, bad joke is what the whole ION thing is, no surprise there. Thanks for the archive link. Hilarious. I'd pay good money (like $20k in Paycoin) to see that CNN interview. but the prevailing fact is that you killed paycoin. ask monk, one of the ionomy whales. its all your fault you killed transitcoin, lendcoin, bitstone and some other paycoin derivates and obviously targeting ion by asking questions!
Hmmm... all that sounds like small-time stuff. There must be some way to make money off such awesome destructive abilities. Maybe I should short Apple stock and start asking questions about them. Great artwork BTW. Paul Revere would be proud
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October 31, 2016, 08:47:59 PM |
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Your shill piece is missing an important detail. The "promotion" has nothing to promote. "Buy these IONs so you could get more IONs that we're inflating from our free stash of premined IONs" doesn't offer any value to the "investors".I can see where the hate comes from now it's Staker not StakeHer.... don't get confused the ION community is full of such nice people they would never resort to using a stake although many would eat a steak which is a bit different. I do like the way you accuse me of shilling by taking my response out of context when all I'm doing is responding to your post which is clearly directed at me. Huh? What context? You clearly stated it's a promotion, and it's promoting nothing of any tangible value. The game is not out yet, cashtakers have been invented by Garza in 2014 and re-skinning them isn't making any sense to anyone except paycoiners. No idea what the rest of it is about. Steak i think he was trying to make some sort of rape joke involving "staking" vagina. i guess that's his and ion's idea of getting into the halloween spirit ... selling MSpaint "skins" to expaycoiners and telling bad rape jokes. disgusting. speaking of disgusting, here's a blast from the past. Follow the link and find out how Mr. Coins proved that gaw is not a scam! https://archive.is/27IubNo let me explain Staker You know what that is right currently ionomy are having a promo Stak her Halloween, vampire, stake through the heart, monster, blah blah blah.... Suchmoon has a bit of a rep for not being a nice person Staking a vagina what are you on about.... I crack a halloween joke and you turn it into a rape joke about staking vagina's you must be one sick F**k .... staking a vagina what were you thinking off
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October 31, 2016, 08:56:16 PM |
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Suchmoon has a bit of a rep for not being a nice person
You're breaking my heart... I'm gonna have to drink myself to sleep today Well, not really. You're leaving the most important part off. I'm not a nice person to lying shilling whales and other assorted scum. "Staking" me isn't gonna fix that but if it makes you feel better you can console yourself with that mental image.
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October 31, 2016, 11:17:19 PM |
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Suchmoon has a bit of a rep for not being a nice person
You're breaking my heart... I'm gonna have to drink myself to sleep today Well, not really. You're leaving the most important part off. I'm not a nice person to lying shilling whales and other assorted scum. "Staking" me isn't gonna fix that but if it makes you feel better you can console yourself with that mental image. Paranoia not really thought I do some probing you know ruffle a few feathers Well, you got me there. I bought a few hashlets. Do you know WHY I did that? Because idiots like you wouldn't ask questions (sounds familiar?) so I thought I'd take Garza up on his offer to answer questions if asked by customers. Which made no difference whatsoever BTW. Also used them to track payouts for a pool comparison project I was running back then, but you shills are not into that mundane stuff, are you? Colorful PNGs is where you see "innovation" That has got to be one of the stupidest excuses I've heard.... you invested in hashlets because a) Other customers weren't asking the right questions and you thought as a customer you'd be able to ask those questions and get your answers. How many did you buy to merit being listened to 1....10....100...1,000....10,000. My guess is it was closer to 10K than 1. b) Tracking payouts for a pool comparison project, you mean you were invested in a few pools and like any other miner you would track your payouts. You can't admit how much of a GAW customer you were as this would make you a hypocrite hence the reason it's I bought a few hashlets for market research/due diligence.
Thanks for the information I now have a better understanding of your motivations on why the concern over ION/IONOMY
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That has got to be one of the stupidest excuses I've heard.... you invested in hashlets because
Contrary to your imaginary "agenda" and whatnot - it's all in my post history. Feel free to peruse. a) Other customers weren't asking the right questions and you thought as a customer you'd be able to ask those questions and get your answers. How many did you buy to merit being listened to 1....10....100...1,000....10,000. My guess is it was closer to 10K than 1.
Why would I buy 10k if I raised questions about the legitimacy of hashlets even before they existed? I bought ~1 BTC worth IIRC. If I had 10k I would be a complete idiot and would be shilling for ION now. b) Tracking payouts for a pool comparison project, you mean you were invested in a few pools and like any other miner you would track your payouts.
That sentence doesn't make sense. Shows that you have no clue as to how mining works. You can't admit how much of a GAW customer you were as this would make you a hypocrite hence the reason it's I bought a few hashlets for market research/due diligence.
How does that make me a hypocrite? I did exactly what I said I was going to. You're the one TALKING about due diligence and NOT DOING it. Seems like you're projecting here. I'm not you. Your failures are your own. Thanks for the information I now have a better understanding of your motivations on why the concern over ION/IONOMY
Yeah... I don't think so. But if making shit up makes you feel better about yourself - by all means. I'm past caring what a shilly paycoiner may think about my "motivations". Though I do reserve the right to laugh at your desperate attempts to "discredit" me as if that would make a difference for ION. Hint: it doesn't. I don't matter. I don't have special powers to make it or break it. Your ionomy overlords (you know, the ones taking your BTC) do that.
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Now why would anyone here oblige... Whatever ION or people that support ION say or do doesn't matter as we are all sacks of shit or retarded.... please hold your breath whilst you wait for a response Nice try but you already responded in numerous and humorous ways as to why the nice guys do the things they do. And guess what, you were wrong, just as many here were trying to tell you. So much for due diligence and vision and all that shit... you're just another lying shilling "whale" Ionomy don't need money they have enough to implement the first stages of their plan.
The "plan" seems to be taking shape. Relieving bagholders of their money for no reason at all. But the team is indeed "innovative", I'll give you that... they managed to keep a straight face while asking for a third round of funding with nothing to show for the first two. That must make you feel really happy for your investment. Seasonal promotions 99% of the time are tactical initiatives unless your business is built around festivities i.e. you sell pumpkins. These promotions do 2 things offer an additional benefit to the consumer i.e. compelling offer and also to the company i.e. additional revenue As ION don't sell pumpkins I see this promotion as a tactical initiative. A great opportunity for the customer to buy some ION and an opportunity for ION to make some money. Ionomy is a business not a charity. A Business needs money not good will to survive. As a whale I don't want to live in a pond, I want to live in an ocean. I'm glad you've been reviewing my old posts you might learn something I'm just another lying shilling "whale"........... that's rich coming from you Happy Halloween and enjoy your special day..... it's the day you get to walk down the street and people don't run away so make the most of it Since Ionomy is a business and not a charity, could you please post the link to the registration of Ionomy PTE? The Ionomy PTE that is listed as existing in the WP. No point has when it's available it will be for all to see Ok, we have that cleared up. Ionomy is indeed not yet a business. So why do you keep using that fact in your arguments? It may not be a charity but it certainly isn't a business yet.
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November 01, 2016, 01:38:28 PM |
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Ionomy is a business not a charity. A Business needs money not good will to survive.
Ionomy is a premined pump and dump scheme with a lack of transparency regarding premine addresses and team masternodes. Stay away from it. Ionomy is a fun place to encourage innovation!!! Did Garza make those for you? Is it the goal of ION to completely replicate the plan of Garza? If so they are hitting that nail square on the head.
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November 01, 2016, 02:31:09 PM Last edit: November 01, 2016, 03:06:47 PM by WildShark |
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Ionomy is a business not a charity. A Business needs money not good will to survive.
Ionomy is a premined pump and dump scheme with a lack of transparency regarding premine addresses and team masternodes. Stay away from it. Ionomy is a fun place to encourage innovation!!! Did Garza make those for you? I made them myself with the help of paint.net program and code from Dkbay using Style addon for Chrome... The BCT trolls are stuck in the tiny crypto box they have always been in. Throwing out the buzz words like pump & dump, transparency, free coins, shill, Garza and PayCoin and not backing how they related to an ION investment.
ION coin with wallet staking, Masternodes, Ionomy Services and Community/Private Masternode projects are different beasts that are bring innovation to the use of crypto...
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Now why would anyone here oblige... Whatever ION or people that support ION say or do doesn't matter as we are all sacks of shit or retarded.... please hold your breath whilst you wait for a response Nice try but you already responded in numerous and humorous ways as to why the nice guys do the things they do. And guess what, you were wrong, just as many here were trying to tell you. So much for due diligence and vision and all that shit... you're just another lying shilling "whale" Ionomy don't need money they have enough to implement the first stages of their plan.
The "plan" seems to be taking shape. Relieving bagholders of their money for no reason at all. But the team is indeed "innovative", I'll give you that... they managed to keep a straight face while asking for a third round of funding with nothing to show for the first two. That must make you feel really happy for your investment. Seasonal promotions 99% of the time are tactical initiatives unless your business is built around festivities i.e. you sell pumpkins. These promotions do 2 things offer an additional benefit to the consumer i.e. compelling offer and also to the company i.e. additional revenue As ION don't sell pumpkins I see this promotion as a tactical initiative. A great opportunity for the customer to buy some ION and an opportunity for ION to make some money. Ionomy is a business not a charity. A Business needs money not good will to survive. As a whale I don't want to live in a pond, I want to live in an ocean. I'm glad you've been reviewing my old posts you might learn something I'm just another lying shilling "whale"........... that's rich coming from you Happy Halloween and enjoy your special day..... it's the day you get to walk down the street and people don't run away so make the most of it Since Ionomy is a business and not a charity, could you please post the link to the registration of Ionomy PTE? The Ionomy PTE that is listed as existing in the WP. No point has when it's available it will be for all to see Ok, we have that cleared up. Ionomy is indeed not yet a business. So why do you keep using that fact in your arguments? It may not be a charity but it certainly isn't a business yet. So as Ionomy is not yet properly registered does that mean all income it has so far generated is tax free Of course not, they like any other trading company are part of a tax system. Ionomy is a business just not yet fully registered I could be wrong as I'm no expert but I'm pretty sure I'm right.
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Ionomy is a business not a charity. A Business needs money not good will to survive.
Ionomy is a premined pump and dump scheme with a lack of transparency regarding premine addresses and team masternodes. Stay away from it. Ionomy is a fun place to encourage innovation!!! Did Garza make those for you? I made them myself with the help of paint.net program and code from Dkbay using Style addon for Chrome... The BCT trolls are stuck in the tiny crypto box they have always been in. Throwing out the buzz words like pump & dump, transparency, free coins, shill, Garza and PayCoin and not backing how they related to an ION investment.
ION coin with wallet staking, Masternodes, Ionomy Services and Community/Private Masternode projects are different beasts that are bring innovation to the use of crypto...
Please explain how putting skins on stakers (which Garza has already done) makes Ionomy a different beast that is bringing innovation to crypto. WildShark is the typical paycoin type shill that throws around the typica buzz words like "profit", "innovation" and "trust". He is promoting a centralized coin with very little transparency. These types of shills shout out grandiose features and plans without providing any proof. When you ask a shill like this for proof, every logical fallacy in the book comes out and they will dance around the question hoping you will get annoyed and disregard your question.
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