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September 09, 2016, 04:49:35 PM
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No, I do not agree and I'm having problems following what you are doing here. How about this: instead of changing words colors or changing the text of what I wrote, you form your own thoughts and words? The way you do it, in traditional ION fashion, makes it impossible to follow.

Sharks, whales, founders or whatever other animal ION makes up is my a good way to solicit ideas. It's a good way to create elitism though. What qualifies a person that can afford to buy a bunch of trinkets to provide proper platform input? There are no other qualification needed to buy Atoms other than having he money to do so.

You think this is better than providing actual BTC for bounties and having the greater crypto world potentially contribute? Please explain.

No remember, use your own words and thoughts so this can be followed like a traditional discussion. No changing colors or deleting and inserting your own words.

Thanks.

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I posted the FAQ on iontalk:

https://www.iontalk.net/t/bitcointalk-ion-faq/207

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No, I do not agree and I'm having problems following what you are doing here. How about this: instead of changing words colors or changing the text of what I wrote, you form your own thoughts and words? The way you do it, in traditional ION fashion, makes it impossible to follow.

Sharks, whales, founders or whatever other animal ION makes up is my a good way to solicit ideas. It's a good way to create elitism though. What qualifies a person that can afford to buy a bunch of trinkets to provide proper platform input? There are no other qualification needed to buy Atoms other than having he money to do so.

You think this is better than providing actual BTC for bounties and having the greater crypto world potentially contribute? Please explain.

No remember, use your own words and thoughts so this can be followed like a traditional discussion. No changing colors or deleting and inserting your own words.

Thanks.

My experience is the whales hangout is it's another tool for ION to gather market intelligence and discuss different scenarios. For instance at the last hangout they wanted our thoughts on the delay to gravity and discussed different options :

To fill a delay gap create a demo
Ignore possible API vulnerabilities whilst working on bug fixes let the game go out for testing
Have a little more time to add some more polish

The feedback was forget the demo,strengthen the API and use the time to add a little more polish. The whales are from totally different backgrounds. The only thing we have in common is a vested interest for ionomy to succeed

You think this is better than providing actual BTC for bounties and having the greater crypto world potentially contribute? Please explain.

I see your point, a good question. Maybe it would be a better option i.e. 70/30 split in favor of BTC then as ION begins to increase in value the split is reduced weighted more towards ION 

Dunno about anyone else but I appreciate that kind of feedback so thanks for sharing your thoughts

 

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https://news.ionomy.com/just-to-be-clear/
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No, I do not agree and I'm having problems following what you are doing here. How about this: instead of changing words colors or changing the text of what I wrote, you form your own thoughts and words? The way you do it, in traditional ION fashion, makes it impossible to follow.

Sharks, whales, founders or whatever other animal ION makes up is my a good way to solicit ideas. It's a good way to create elitism though. What qualifies a person that can afford to buy a bunch of trinkets to provide proper platform input? There are no other qualification needed to buy Atoms other than having he money to do so.

You think this is better than providing actual BTC for bounties and having the greater crypto world potentially contribute? Please explain.

No remember, use your own words and thoughts so this can be followed like a traditional discussion. No changing colors or deleting and inserting your own words.

Thanks.

My experience is the whales hangout is it's another tool for ION to gather market intelligence and discuss different scenarios. For instance at the last hangout they wanted our thoughts on the delay to gravity and discussed different options :

To fill a delay gap create a demo
Ignore possible API vulnerabilities whilst working on bug fixes let the game go out for testing
Have a little more time to add some more polish

The feedback was forget the demo,strengthen the API and use the time to add a little more polish. The whales are from totally different backgrounds. The only thing we have in common is a vested interest for ionomy to succeed

You think this is better than providing actual BTC for bounties and having the greater crypto world potentially contribute? Please explain.

I see your point, a good question. Maybe it would be a better option i.e. 70/30 split in favor of BTC then as ION begins to increase in value the split is reduced weighted more towards ION 

Dunno about anyone else but I appreciate that kind of feedback so thanks for sharing your thoughts

 

Anytime. I just feel the team should use some of that BTC (well, now fiat) to move the platform along. There shouldn't be 2+ month delays for releases when they ha e 300+ BTC (equivalent) in the bank. If they truly believe in the platform, which every supporter claims they are, then using some of that BTC shouldn't stress them at all.

The fact hey refuse to touch those funds has me concerned. If they aren't going to use those funds for development and providing value to the Ionomy platform, what are those funds for? There was a nefarious scenario laid out above and I can see some validity to it.

But first and foremost the ION team needs to open up to the greater crypto world and stop trying to do everything themselves in heir little walled garden. This is a crypto project (at least I think it is), open source, meant to eat I out from the entire crypto world. So far that are only taking input from people who paid a lot of money to do so.

Id like to see them stop with creating different levels of elitism and use the funds raised to further the project. And of course provide proof that said funds are used for said purpose.

If they were willing to do this if be willing to invest. But I don't see them using the ICO funds to build the platform. I see them trying to do t as cheaply as possible, even if it takes a year per game, so they can save the ICO funds for themselves.

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September 09, 2016, 06:24:51 PM
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For the non-slackers, gamedev's quote about Gravity:

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*Gravity Status*
Level design - 100% complete
Leader boards - 90% complete (because it depends on the api)
Death Sequence - 100% complete
API Integration - 75% complete

https://www.iontalk.net/t/gravity-status-report-restart-2/194/35

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September 09, 2016, 06:42:40 PM
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Are you proud of this piece of work because it's not good especially for someone that has the capability to do so much better

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Are you proud of this piece of work because it's not good especially for someone that has the capability to do so much better

Feel free to contribute if you have something relevant to say. By this point in our relationship I'm sure you already know what I think of your empty rhetoric.

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Are you proud of this piece of work because it's not good especially for someone that has the capability to do so much better

Feel free to contribute if you have something relevant to say. By this point in our relationship I'm sure you already know what I think of your empty rhetoric.

I might just do that how does the process for contribution work do I send you the changes for review or do I just make the changes how would you like to handle the control flow

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https://news.ionomy.com/just-to-be-clear/
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Are you proud of this piece of work because it's not good especially for someone that has the capability to do so much better

Feel free to contribute if you have something relevant to say. By this point in our relationship I'm sure you already know what I think of your empty rhetoric.

I might just do that how does the process for contribution work do I send you the changes for review or do I just make the changes how would you like to handle the control flow

Post it here or on iontalk, make it short and factual, with links whenever possible. After a few days I'll collect the contributions and update the FAQ.

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So once again anyone have any better ideas on how a small development team solicit intelligence from the land of crypto please share it

Has any whale ever asked any tough questions?


WildShark is a very vocal "Shark" in the Whale's meetings expressing his option on "input to direction of the platform". Which includes asking the tough questions to the Team and clarifying the Ionomy vision! None of this discussion pertains to my strategy of Buying/Selling IONs.

The definition of insider trading is "trading a public company's stock or other securities (such as bonds or stock options)", IONs, Electrons or Atoms are neither of these! I also do not own any of Ionomy stock and therefore I DO NOT PERFORM INSIDER TRADING.

I'm not a financial expert, so I am open to correction if my interpretation is wrong.

@CyrptoBuds Is your interpretation wrong??? Are you going to correct it? or are we just rolling with WildShark's statements are correct??? How about you sharing an answer to Korvas128 question? I think having Whales, Sharks and Founders is a wise method of soliciting intelligence into the Ionomy project...

 I would never trust any statement you make without seeing indisputable proof of the claim.

Let's try and work on answering one though/statement at a time in our discussion with indisputable proof. Do you trust any of the statements made in the posting above. If you agree to them, let's say that it fills your "indisputable proof". Your other viable option is to visit the Ionomy Slack and ask your questions there where you can solicit intelligent answers from the ION community to my statements?

For more information, Join/Visit the Ionomy Slack @ https://ionomy.slack.com/messages/general/details/

No, I do not agree and I'm having problems following what you are doing here. Thanks.

What do you not understand about my statements made in the prior post??? I'm guessing your don't take them as "indisputable proof" since you disagree with my statements and you need to voice the reason you disagree to my statement here or in Ionomy Slack where they can prove your indisputable proof... What's wrong with my statement?

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I stated before that I don't agree with you. I've stated why I don't agree wth you and I've also suggested a different solution to soliciting input. I think all your color coding and post mixing got you all mixed up.

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I stated before that I don't agree with you. I've stated why I don't agree wth you and I've also suggested a different solution to soliciting input. I think all your color coding and post mixing got you all mixed up.

I would never trust any statement you make without seeing indisputable proof of the claim.

maybe you will have luck in ionomy slack providing your "indisputable proof"...

How do you know that I am still a whale?
How do you know that I speak loudly in the meetings?
How do you know Sharky's been told about the details of the Ionomy vision?
How do you know Sharky's is Buying/Selling IONs?
How do you know the law where the company is registered?
How do you know Sharky's doesn't have stock in Ionomy?
If proof is provided, how do you know it wasn't faked?

in the mean time, let's roll with my statements until proven wrong with facts:

WildShark is a very vocal "Shark" in the Whale's meetings expressing his option on "input to direction of the platform". Which includes asking the tough questions to the Team and clarifying the Ionomy vision! None of this discussion pertains to my strategy of Buying/Selling IONs.

The definition of insider trading is "trading a public company's stock or other securities (such as bonds or stock options)", IONs, Electrons or Atoms are neither of these! I also do not own any of Ionomy stock and therefore I DO NOT PERFORM INSIDER TRADING.

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Haha its funny to watch paycoin 2.0, lots of delusional ppl

I think wildshark believes if he says he hasn't conducted any insider trading it makes it true, if the SEC catches on it's ok, they just fudding as well
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I think wildshark believes if he says he hasn't conducted any insider trading it makes it true, if the SEC catches on it's ok, they just fudding as well

I don't think the SEC has jurisdiction over a Singapore business? lol

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Haha its funny to watch paycoin 2.0, lots of delusional ppl

I think wildshark believes if he says he hasn't conducted any insider trading it makes it true, if the SEC catches on it's ok, they just fudding as well

I don't think the SEC has jurisdiction over a Singapore business? lol

What Singapore business? Ionomy PTE doesn't exist AND the SEC regulates any securities offered in the US anyway, no matter where the real or fictional company may be located. So your only remaining argument is that atoms are not securities, which you still haven't explained. Are they financial assets? Are they tradeable?

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Haha its funny to watch paycoin 2.0, lots of delusional ppl

I think wildshark believes if he says he hasn't conducted any insider trading it makes it true, if the SEC catches on it's ok, they just fudding as well

I don't think the SEC has jurisdiction over a Singapore business? lol

What Singapore business? Ionomy PTE doesn't exist AND the SEC regulates any securities offered in the US anyway, no matter where the real or fictional company may be located. So your only remaining argument is that atoms are not securities, which you still haven't explained. Are they financial assets? Are they tradeable?

and you will also find that insider trading is illegal in most if not all countries around the world
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Haha its funny to watch paycoin 2.0, lots of delusional ppl

I think wildshark believes if he says he hasn't conducted any insider trading it makes it true, if the SEC catches on it's ok, they just fudding as well

I don't think the SEC has jurisdiction over a Singapore business? lol

What Singapore business? Ionomy PTE doesn't exist AND the SEC regulates any securities offered in the US anyway, no matter where the real or fictional company may be located. So your only remaining argument is that atoms are not securities, which you still haven't explained. Are they financial assets? Are they tradeable?

and atoms are not securities in Singapore so the definition of insider trading does not apply

and if Ionomy doesn't exist, how can any law be violated?

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September 10, 2016, 02:05:52 AM
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Haha its funny to watch paycoin 2.0, lots of delusional ppl

I think wildshark believes if he says he hasn't conducted any insider trading it makes it true, if the SEC catches on it's ok, they just fudding as well

I don't think the SEC has jurisdiction over a Singapore business? lol

What Singapore business? Ionomy PTE doesn't exist AND the SEC regulates any securities offered in the US anyway, no matter where the real or fictional company may be located. So your only remaining argument is that atoms are not securities, which you still haven't explained. Are they financial assets? Are they tradeable?

and atoms are not securities in Singapore so the definition of insider trading does not apply

and it Ionomy doesn't exist, how can any law be violated?

being asian and having lived in that part of the world most of my life (as well as having a lot of family living in singapore), you will find that most of the rules you find in the US are close if not the same as in singapore, so if it is illegal in the US it is more then likely illegal in singapore (well actually you will find singapore rules are generally a lot stricter then the US rules, and they are tougher on punishment then the US)
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September 10, 2016, 02:09:01 AM
Last edit: September 10, 2016, 02:20:38 AM by WildShark
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Haha its funny to watch paycoin 2.0, lots of delusional ppl

I think wildshark believes if he says he hasn't conducted any insider trading it makes it true, if the SEC catches on it's ok, they just fudding as well

I don't think the SEC has jurisdiction over a Singapore business? lol

What Singapore business? Ionomy PTE doesn't exist AND the SEC regulates any securities offered in the US anyway, no matter where the real or fictional company may be located. So your only remaining argument is that atoms are not securities, which you still haven't explained. Are they financial assets? Are they tradeable?

and atoms are not securities in Singapore so the definition of insider trading does not apply

and it Ionomy doesn't exist, how can any law be violated?

being asian and having lived in that part of the world most of my life (as well as having a lot of family living in singapore), you will find that most of the rules you find in the US are close if not the same as in singapore, so if it is illegal in the US it is more then likely illegal in singapore (well actually you will find singapore rules are generally a lot stricter then the US rules, and they are tougher on punishment then the US)

so you know Singapore law and can confirm that atom are a securities? the only law posted here pertained to a US law governing hashlets...

but if U say this project is Paycon 2, that means Ionomy stakers  are Hashlets and they are not traded? Where is the inside trading?

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September 10, 2016, 02:24:09 AM
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Haha its funny to watch paycoin 2.0, lots of delusional ppl

I think wildshark believes if he says he hasn't conducted any insider trading it makes it true, if the SEC catches on it's ok, they just fudding as well

I don't think the SEC has jurisdiction over a Singapore business? lol

What Singapore business? Ionomy PTE doesn't exist AND the SEC regulates any securities offered in the US anyway, no matter where the real or fictional company may be located. So your only remaining argument is that atoms are not securities, which you still haven't explained. Are they financial assets? Are they tradeable?

and atoms are not securities in Singapore so the definition of insider trading does not apply

and if Ionomy doesn't exist, how can any law be violated?

Singapore doesn't matter. The SEC regulates securities in the US, even ones issued by foreign entities. So the SEC would have the final word anyway.

And no, using a fake business is not an valid excuse to violate laws. I hope you were joking with that one.

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