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September 26, 2013, 07:45:40 PM
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If you are interested in the details which lead Bargraphics to erase his post, start reading from here:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=198489.msg3235587#msg3235587

By the way, this is a PM from Bargraphics sent to atomicchaos to justify why he deleted the posts:

Thanks for the "Corrupt Cheerleader Eliminator" badge! Much appreciated, my friend. You didn't think deleting your posts would make them disappear, did you?

What do you mean?

I bought this account today.

Yeah, right...

 Roll Eyes

So someone posts 5 of his very incriminating posts and then a few hours later 1000's of his posts disappear.

Not suspicious at all, seem's legit  Grin

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September 26, 2013, 07:48:37 PM
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Though I still believe in them (man, do I really have to type this words again?), the procedure runs as defined in the ASIC-manufacturers field manual.

We are now at chapter 5: "Put all orders "in production" to close the refund backdoor."

Next will be chapter 6 "Delay, Smoke and Mirrors", chapter 7 "Launch the cool Chip-Gen. 2/3/4 or 150% more hashrate upgrade-offer" and finally chapter 8 "Final Refund -20/-50%: Custom made good!"

I hope not.

Then assuming you paid with CC, then you call up your Card company, Tell them goods never shipped, and start a chargeback. Wait for the money to be returned. Its that simple.
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September 26, 2013, 07:50:53 PM
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The simpliest and best way would be: KnC tells us the truth.
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September 26, 2013, 07:53:55 PM
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For anyone interested to know why the thread lost so many pages, I am certainly sure is because Bargraphics deleted more than a thousand posts from his profile:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=124940

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Name: Bargraphics
Posts: 62
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Date Registered: May 31, 2013, 08:22:07 PM
Last Active: Today at 06:35:38 PM
Local Time:   September 26, 2013, 02:36:16 PM
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Ahhh, he must have sold his account.

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September 26, 2013, 07:58:55 PM
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My calendar must be wrong, It says it's still the 26th, and that there are 4 more days left in September. Huh.

Correct, they could still 'deliver' this month.

I think there have been valid concerns voiced in this thread lately.
Yes there are the obvious BS trolls, par for course.

It comes down to what can be viewed as KnC moving the goalposts.

Let us review the facts we have:

KnC
on: June 26, 2013, 02:14:10 PM
"I would like to say that EVERYTHING that needs to be done at this point in time for a September delivery has indeed been done.
We are on track for delivery and we know of nothing currently to the contrary."

this becomes

KnC
on: July 30, 2013, 01:41:06 PM
"We are still on schedule to begin shipping in September."

'delivery' becomes 'shipping'

Sam/KnC
on: May 30
"We see no reason why it cant work like that, the only addition I will add is that the refund will be 100% with the order cancelled, We wont be offering a discount/refund and still shipping you the boxes. Refunds are offered up to the day of shipment of your order.

Above all else we will be fair.
Sam "

Today this becomes

KnC
"Therefore, any changes of orders cannot be accepted."

It is speculated that this includes changes of the refund variety.

Today at 01:39:25 PM
Kaliecious starts a thread
https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=302032.msg3239687#msg3239687

"KNC miner is refusing refunds who needs to be contacted to inform they are not adhearing to the laws of it hasn't shipped they need to give a refund?"

Kaliecious is asked to provide evidence and posts this pic.



I have not personally recieved confirmation from KnC that this is a fact.
(I have emailed asking for confirmation)
If the thread and pic are a troll it is a clever one and perfectly timed.
There was a well timed malicious troll (since edited from thread I think)

While this is being discussed over 150 posts vanish from the thread.
Coinkydink? Could be!

I understand and share some customers concern that similar behavior observed in other vendors has not ended well for customers or schedules.

I think it unlikely that all who ordered day 1 & 2 based on originaly stated 'delivery' in September will recieve units in September. It is possible, it is only the 26th.

The conditions of 'the bet' are not the conditions pre-orders were solicited under.

People who ordered after the day 1 & 2 ALSO did so based on the original terms.
That includes refunds up to day before shipping.
KnC stated the original terms.
KnC took the risk and stood to reap the rewards.

If I have misstated any facts let me know and I will edit and explain my edits as I always do.
If I am flat out wrong I will eat my crow when it is served.

For the record I have not decided that I _DO_ want a refund.
I do expect that option to remain until shipping as per the origional terms of the agreement.

YMMV

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September 26, 2013, 08:01:55 PM
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I've deleted my posts before. I've had more than 4x current.

Reason? Privacy. I just don't like people to read my history. it's the same on Reddit (deleted after 2 weeks).

No it doesnt make me a scammer Roll Eyes
*Looks at avatar*  *confused*


On another note,since the rise in difficulty I don't think it will be profitable at all.I think we might actually start to see Petahash devices by next year....if this keeps going.
The simpliest and best way would be: KnC tells us the truth.
*I chuckled*

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September 26, 2013, 08:09:31 PM
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I've deleted my posts before. I've had more than 4x current.

Reason? Privacy. I just don't like people to read my history. it's the same on Reddit (deleted after 2 weeks).

No it doesnt make me a scammer Roll Eyes
*Looks at avatar*  *confused*


On another note,since the rise in difficulty I don't think it will be profitable at all.I think we might actually start to see Petahash devices by next year....if this keeps going.
The simpliest and best way would be: KnC tells us the truth.
*I chuckled*

So... now there are even calculations with 97% increase per month? care to explain how that will play out in 5 months? 4.4 Billion in February  Roll Eyes

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September 26, 2013, 08:15:22 PM
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IS Bitcoinorama, Bargraphics??
No.

Bargraphics is another guy who was very vocal about Terrahash. He's kind of a loudmouth.

Personally, I found him amusing, but several people took him way serious, and now it seems he's killing his old posts. I dunno what to think of that.

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September 26, 2013, 08:15:27 PM
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IS Bitcoinorama, Bargraphics??

Only if he has multiple personalities. Which I doubt.

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September 26, 2013, 08:16:34 PM
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they will ship but not in September.

https://www.kncminer.com/news/news-37

Where was it announced to have a choose option of the shipment?
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September 26, 2013, 08:20:17 PM
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IS Bitcoinorama, Bargraphics??
No.

Bargraphics is another guy who was very vocal about Terrahash. He's kind of a loudmouth.

Personally, I found him amusing, but several people took him way serious, and now it seems he's killing his old posts. I dunno what to think of that.

Fear? Some people in this thread have been very vocal about KnC but they have no reason to do that. Nasty business that TH thing. Worse if it gets in the media and twisted all over the place.
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September 26, 2013, 08:20:44 PM
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small updates here.)



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September 26, 2013, 08:23:42 PM
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I think we might actually start to see Petahash devices by next year....if this keeps going.

Well probably not.  Physics starts to get into the way.  20 and 14nm are prohibitively expensive and probably will be for 2 years.   28nm is probably as good as it gets.  It remains to be see how efficient 28nm tech can be made but it is interesting that Cointerra and HF have roughly the same die density (GH/mm2) and roughly the same efficiency (J/GH).   For the record BFL claims similar but I don't put too much stock into it.  Still the odds that two teams with reasonable industry talent would achieve roughly the same performance and miss something obvious for higher efficiency is unlikely.  So no 14/20nm and pretty reasonable that any other future offerings will be ~0.8 J/GH (say +/- 50%).  That means even if the chips are free 1 PH/s is going to be expensive.  Converting, regulating and routing 800 KW isn't cheap and neither is getting rid of the 800 KW of heat it produces, even with refrigeration. 800 KW = >220 tons of AC.
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September 26, 2013, 08:31:12 PM
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its also fair to say current designs and the selected process nodes are more likely geared for performance/mm² (per $)  than power efficiency. Not that I expect an order of magnitude difference, but more than doubling efficiency at the expense of performance per mm² or $ might not be out of reach with downclocking/volting and a LP process Maybe even a redesign if that would be worth it.
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September 26, 2013, 08:36:45 PM
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For anyone interested to know why the thread lost so many pages, I am certainly sure is because Bargraphics deleted more than a thousand posts from his profile:

https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=124940

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Name: Bargraphics
Posts: 62
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Date Registered: May 31, 2013, 08:22:07 PM
Last Active: Today at 06:35:38 PM
Local Time:   September 26, 2013, 02:36:16 PM
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Ahhh, he must have sold his account.

Wow I did not know of the huge resale value of bitcointalk.org accounts ...

I guess when they are new & free they are not worth anything ...but after they have got a few posts under their belt thats when the $$ & offers start flooding in to sell your identity

It all makes sense Cheesy

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September 26, 2013, 08:40:00 PM
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Oh, cloudhashing (big knc customer) has in its FAQ stated

If I buy a contract today, when do I start mining ?

We expect mining for September contracts to start by 26th September 2013. There may be a 1 to 2 week delay, however everything is on schedule for the date mentioned,

but on the other hand the timer in the head banner shows

September Contract Mining Scheduled To Start Within (British Standard Time): 4 Days 12Hours 39 Minutes 34Seconds
now it's 26th, 21:40 BST meaning => count down ends ~ on Oct. 1st 10:20 a.m. GMT+1

!! File Complaints Against KnCMiner NOW !!
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September 26, 2013, 08:40:21 PM
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I've deleted my posts before. I've had more than 4x current.

Reason? Privacy. I just don't like people to read my history. it's the same on Reddit (deleted after 2 weeks).

No it doesnt make me a scammer Roll Eyes

I agree.  From USNWR:
Every time you go to post a status update, remember: WWMBT? (What Would My Boss Think?): http://ow.ly/pcFO7

Annoyed at a microwave that had stopped working properly I had posted that I got it working again by running the touchpad over the edge of something as one might do with a bill before putting the bill in a machine.  The microwave worked for a while.  Some years later I did a search to see what I'd find about myself online and there was that post relayed to a number of forums.  Still there somewhere today, couldn't get it to go away.



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September 26, 2013, 08:41:22 PM
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small updates here.)



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"Your idiotic whining about seeing a chip is annoying" - 2 weeks™ before promised delivery
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September 26, 2013, 08:43:42 PM
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Wow I did not know of the huge resale value of bitcointalk.org accounts ...

I guess when they are new & free they are not worth anything ...but after they have got a few posts under their belt thats when the $$ & offers start flooding in to sell your identity

It all makes sense Cheesy

That is what makes the situation strange... If Bargraphics sold his account on the basis that posts are the main value of his account, why would he or the new owner erase the posts and reduce the account value to almost a newbie level?

I think would be cheaper to create a new account and produce 60 posts or buy an account from someone with almost 60 posts.

I think Bargraphics is really trying to cover up his association not only with Terrahash, but with KnCminer as well.
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September 26, 2013, 08:43:49 PM
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small updates here.)



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Bargraphics (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=124940) *delete all his posts and sold acc.

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-Redacted- (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=129075) *new adept, because of his endless stupidity
AussiePete (https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?action=profile;u=143314) *not so fan as I expect

"Your idiotic whining about seeing a chip is annoying" - 2 weeks™ before promised delivery

Don't you need to believe they'll do what they say to be a fan?
The refund backpedal / broken promise alone would cast doubt in a sensible mind.
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