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June 03, 2017, 02:20:34 AM
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I'm still not sure things are working perfectly.

Right now I have 1.92 GH/s on zpool for skein and it only appears to be worth 0.00624 BTC or $15.69 a day.

But if I go and check whattomine it is showing profitability to be more than double at 0.013618 BTC or $32.60 a day.

My profit switching seems to think hmq1725, blake2s, nist5, equihash, sib and bitcore are all better to mine.
Skein very rarely drops that low in the rankings and I'm curious why.

It could totally be an issue on my end, but I there any chance you could double check why skein is so low?

if you ask me;  whatttomine is for the sheep.   It bases its information on multiple sources/exchanges (mixing them for results on a per-site basis) and also includes a human factor which adds even more error.   What exchange is whattomine basing this price info off of, at what time? (see what I mean?)

Keep this in mind.  you are taking advice from a 3rd party that;  frankly, has been historically inaccurate in many ways in my eyes.

24 hour profitability has been hovering around 0.004mBTC/day recently......  which is easy to do spot math on yourself.

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June 03, 2017, 03:19:02 AM
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I'm still not sure things are working perfectly.

Right now I have 1.92 GH/s on zpool for skein and it only appears to be worth 0.00624 BTC or $15.69 a day.

But if I go and check whattomine it is showing profitability to be more than double at 0.013618 BTC or $32.60 a day.

My profit switching seems to think hmq1725, blake2s, nist5, equihash, sib and bitcore are all better to mine.
Skein very rarely drops that low in the rankings and I'm curious why.

It could totally be an issue on my end, but I there any chance you could double check why skein is so low?

if you ask me;  whatttomine is for the sheep.   It bases its information on multiple sources/exchanges (mixing them for results on a per-site basis) and also includes a human factor which adds even more error.   What exchange is whattomine basing this price info off of, at what time? (see what I mean?)

Keep this in mind.  you are taking advice from a 3rd party that;  frankly, has been historically inaccurate in many ways in my eyes.

24 hour profitability has been hovering around 0.004mBTC/day recently......  which is easy to do spot math on yourself.

Jared,

Can you let me know if I'm doing this math correctly from zpool? If the 24 hour profitbility is .004mBTC/day and I have 1,000MH/s, I should be making 4mBTC per day (.004mBTC x 1,000MH/s = 4mBTC)?

Which is about $9.6 every 24 hours.

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June 03, 2017, 03:41:09 AM
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I'm still not sure things are working perfectly.

Right now I have 1.92 GH/s on zpool for skein and it only appears to be worth 0.00624 BTC or $15.69 a day.

But if I go and check whattomine it is showing profitability to be more than double at 0.013618 BTC or $32.60 a day.

My profit switching seems to think hmq1725, blake2s, nist5, equihash, sib and bitcore are all better to mine.
Skein very rarely drops that low in the rankings and I'm curious why.

It could totally be an issue on my end, but I there any chance you could double check why skein is so low?

if you ask me;  whatttomine is for the sheep.   It bases its information on multiple sources/exchanges (mixing them for results on a per-site basis) and also includes a human factor which adds even more error.   What exchange is whattomine basing this price info off of, at what time? (see what I mean?)

Keep this in mind.  you are taking advice from a 3rd party that;  frankly, has been historically inaccurate in many ways in my eyes.

24 hour profitability has been hovering around 0.004mBTC/day recently......  which is easy to do spot math on yourself.

Jared,

Can you let me know if I'm doing this math correctly from zpool? If the 24 hour profitbility is .004mBTC/day and I have 1,000MH/s, I should be making 4mBTC per day (.004mBTC x 1,000MH/s = 4mBTC)?

Which is about $9.6 every 24 hours.

Thanks,

(0.004*1000)-2%0.08=3.92mBTC

yup, pretty close.  but that was 3.92 in the previous 24 hrs from that point in time.   notice it fluxes.... up and down.

It's like the newspaper.  Yesterdays news.

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June 03, 2017, 12:35:03 PM
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Think there is something wrong with your skein autoswitching. DGB is the most profitable by far! So why is your pool still switching to other much lower profitable coins? Seems it should stay on the most profitable..... Thanks
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June 03, 2017, 01:03:58 PM
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Think there is something wrong with your skein autoswitching. DGB is the most profitable by far! So why is your pool still switching to other much lower profitable coins? Seems it should stay on the most profitable..... Thanks

what?  What was the "diff vs pool hashrate" at that moment vs other coins in that algo?  was it economical to send the hash to DGB at that moment?

I will admit;  DGB has nearly doubled.... but look at the network difficulty..... see any correlations there?

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June 03, 2017, 03:22:55 PM
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So in algo-switching scenario, pool decides what user will mine not based on currently highest priced coin only, but on price AND difficulty parameters?
So ATM: DGB: high price, high difficulty; Topaz: price not so high as DGB but diff lower than DGB, so pool chooses Topaz.
Correct?

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June 03, 2017, 03:50:36 PM
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What I pay attention to is the amount per I am getting paid for each algo. For me the end result ($$$) is what matters. DGB is WAY above the other algos looking from this perspective which to me is what matters most to get bang for buck. So naturally when I see payout for Digibyte at .21547 and payout for HashTap at .00205 it gets my attention that something doesn't add up. Thanks
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June 03, 2017, 04:43:36 PM
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Honestly, people try to get too far into the weeds on this stuff, its really not complicated.  If you want to mine the skein algo, just download the latest ccminer from spmod, reset all your clock settings to default, give it a -25% tdp, then run the miner against the pool with default settings.

This is if you are not multi-algo mining, which is slightly more complicated in that you need to run scripts to switch algos.  But again, set it to default, lower the tdp, then leave it alone.

Let it run for a week and see what your profits are.  Hell, just ignore it for that week so you aren't tempted to screw with it.  The only adjustment I made to my miners for the last couple weeks, was shutting off equihash for a few hours because of some goofyness with the stratum.  Turned it back on once I saw the pool resume finding blocks.
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June 03, 2017, 05:25:40 PM
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About why the miner does'nt stay on skein when it's much profitable: If all the hashrate is switched on skein, there's a good chance the rewards drop steep (same amount shared with more miners), therefore it's no longuer profitable and the algo switches back to something else.

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June 03, 2017, 05:43:42 PM
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Right at this moment, my hardware is running Blake2s as the highest profit; 2nd is Equihash, 3rd is hmq1725, 4th is Skein.  This is based directly from the current estimated earnings through zpool's API.  This fluctuates quite a bit throughout the day.  This totally differs from what whattomine tells you as well.  But I get very consistent payouts following zpool's profit stats when multi-algo mining.

Edit:  Whattomine doesn't even have blake2s algo's and coins on their main page.  Nor does it have skein on the main page.  Missing a lot of the market by relying on them like many people do.
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June 03, 2017, 06:10:36 PM
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Right at this moment, my hardware is running Blake2s as the highest profit; 2nd is Equihash, 3rd is hmq1725, 4th is Skein.  This is based directly from the current estimated earnings through zpool's API.  This fluctuates quite a bit throughout the day.  This totally differs from what whattomine tells you as well.  But I get very consistent payouts following zpool's profit stats when multi-algo mining.

Edit:  Whattomine doesn't even have blake2s algo's and coins on their main page.  Nor does it have skein on the main page.  Missing a lot of the market by relying on them like many people do.

What cards/miner are you running? Am running ccminer Alexis on 1080 ti's and only running skein.
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June 03, 2017, 06:23:45 PM
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I am running two rigs, each with six Asus STRIX GTX 1070 OC.

Miner depends on the algo.  Ccminer SP for skein, EWBF for equihash and Ccminer 2.0 for all other algo's.

My rigs auto switch algo's frequently  and after testing Alexis it didn't address all GPUs consistently.  Spmod was much more stable and had very little difference in hashrate on my hardware.
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June 03, 2017, 06:51:36 PM
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I am running two rigs, each with six Asus STRIX GTX 1070 OC.

Miner depends on the algo.  Ccminer SP for skein, EWBF for equihash and Ccminer 2.0 for all other algo's.

My rigs auto switch algo's frequently  and after testing Alexis it didn't address all GPUs consistently.  Spmod was much more stable and had very little difference in hashrate on my hardware.

I would not comment on stability/consistency of SP ccminer, but here are the Skein benchmarks that confirm your claim re: SP being the Skein Hero.

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https://github.com/aaronsace/MultiPoolMiner/issues/131

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June 04, 2017, 02:56:30 AM
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The pool page currently says that the pool is short about 3 Dash (shown in red). The last block was found 9 days ago. And we currently have 0 hashpower assigned to Dash.

I'm starting to think that we might never be able to mine another Dash block again Sad
Unfortunately, I'm waiting on those blocks to receive my payouts.

What happened in the recent weeks that created this situation? What would help remedy this?

Thanks in advance, been loving zpool so far.
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June 04, 2017, 05:17:18 AM
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That's the risk inherent in getting the payout in anything but BTC.  Not all coins get mined on a multipool, all the time, especially with the number of coins they have on this pool.  Honestly I would take the BTC payout and then buy the coins you want to keep.  I'm assuming you want to keep the Dash and not cash it out for USD.
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June 04, 2017, 03:12:07 PM
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How come that when looking at the x11 page, multiple coins are being mined at the same time? Shouldn't they all be mining the same, most profitable one?
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June 04, 2017, 03:33:01 PM
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How came that when looking at the x11 page, multiple coins are being mined at the same time? Shouldn't they all be mining the same, most profitable one?

mining one coin at a time is obsolete technique, used by first gen multipools (miningpoolhub etc.),
it's less profitable than mining a bunch, especially on heavy-asic'd algos like x11 now.
do not forget that when pool applies its hashpower to a coin - that changes coin's profitability,
a smart pool like yiimp is designed for balanced hashpower distribution and autoswitching.
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June 04, 2017, 03:38:17 PM
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How came that when looking at the x11 page, multiple coins are being mined at the same time? Shouldn't they all be mining the same, most profitable one?

mining one coin at a time is obsolete technique, used by first gen multipools (miningpoolhub etc.),
it's less profitable than mining a bunch, especially on heavy-asic'd algos like x11 now.
do not forget that when pool applies its hashpower to a coin - that changes coin's profitability,
a smart pool like yiimp is designed for balanced hashpower distribution and autoswitching.


Ok I see. Thanks for the explanation!
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June 05, 2017, 08:56:10 PM
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(0.004*1000)-2%0.08=3.92mBTC

yup, pretty close.  but that was 3.92 in the previous 24 hrs from that point in time.   notice it fluxes.... up and down.

It's like the newspaper.  Yesterdays news.

well, wrong...

pool fee is 2%, coin2btc exchange fee is 2%, miner fee is 2.5%, formula for total fee is (1-(1-fee1))*(1-fee2)*...)

1-0.98*0.98*0.975=1-0.93639= wooping 6.361%

yes;  there are compounding fees;  but;  zpool picks up tx fees. 

If the exchange used is yobit;  they only charge a .2% fee on exchanges;  and their tx fee is .0005..... not sure if this comes out of the sum or not....

What is this "miner fee" you speak of?  zpool only takes a flat 2%........ looks like you are counting this twice somehow.

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June 05, 2017, 09:12:48 PM
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I assume, by miner fee, it would be a fee charged by the software dev for using a particular miner?  Claymore and EWBF would be the only ones that I use (that charge anything) and are pretty worth it since they put up the highest hashrate for their algos.

As far as I know ccminer doesn't charge anything and handles the majority of the algo's that I mine on zpool.  My miners spend less than 5% of their time on equihash normally so not much of a loss there.  Get equihash into ccminer and I wouldn't use anything else.

I tend to focus on how much I actually get at payout and less on the inner workings of the pool.  Comparing my average payouts to whattomine over the last 7 days and I'm beating their averages by quite a bit.  And of course you have to take whattomine with a grain of salt as well.
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