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[Rosewater Foundation]

I really think now is the time to just completely get out of Bitcoin.

Comedy gold.

[Arriemoller]

I don't mean to split hairs, but is there any reason to trust a hw wallet less than Coinomi?

Coinomi would just be short stop on the way to the exchange.
And I already own a phone.

And to be clear, I'm not trying to hide my stash from any authorities or agencies, just keeping them out of reach of robbers, burglers and hackers.

If I were it would't be announced to the world.

[TERA2]

Breaking: National suicide hotline staff doubled.

[explorer]

You rent the box and it can't be opened without a court order.

OK... so you trust your banks and government and legal system, in a vastly socialist state.   My condolences. 

Socialist?

Sweden has always been a capitalist democratic country with due process and all that.

I will allow you to be a step above Norway, maybe above Denmark.  Not difficult, as some of the most socialist western countries.

Is your schooling, healthcare, wellfare, transport government controlled?  Do you pay taxes (all right, I know you pay among the highest in the world)  Welcome to socialism, my friend.

[jojo69]

this Coinomi is a phone thing?

don't tell me people are keeping real money on phones...

[bitserve]

I am, seriously, going to bury a laminated copy somewhere on my land. And have smaller amounts also in my hidden home safe. (I have a visible decoy safe bought very cheap from Cina with some crap in it).

and now the internet knows all these things

Hahahahahaha...   I can see it now.


Criminal:  "Hey Arriemoller, your valuables or your life."

Arriemoller:  "Please, please, no, no, no.. don't take my life... .. o.k.  I will take you to my safe.  Here it is ... it is be called safe."

Criminal:  "Is this the "decoy safe" or the real one?"

Arriemoller:  "Of course this is the real safe.  I want you to have all my valuables and not my life."

Criminal:  "O.k.  i thought that I read somewhere...... "

Arriemoller interrupts criminal, and:  "you probably getting me mixed up with someone else, and you know peeps say all kinds of shit on the interwebs... Of course that is the real safe with real bitcoins and other cryptos available and even title to my yacht that I acquired from the appreciation of my many ETHs.  Surely, I have no other safes in any of these places nor on my yacht.. and you can take the yacht, too."

Criminal:  "O.k.  Your story seems quite plausible, and I have a high level of confidence that you are disclosing everything, and for that reason, I am even gonna leave you with your yacht and I will just take the total value of your crypto that is in this safe, which happens to be .003146BTC and 25.384 ETH, and that should be enough for me anyhow, since I am a modest kind of criminal, and I have modest material needs, too.  Thank you very much, Arriemoller, you have been amongst the most cooperative of my crypto targets, and I thank you for making this whole robbing process easier for me."

Arriemoller and Criminal do a "man hug" because no gay here, and then each goes their separate ways, which means the criminal leaves.   

I do NOT have ETH, but I do have a loaded pistol in a safe. Please let the robbers make me open that safe.

They DO know you might have firearms or whatever inside it. It's never YOU who open your safe, and even if you allowed to do it, they KNOW that is a critical moment and are 100% ready to take action into any suspecting move you make.

I have always said that it is way better to bury whatever in the ground so that even if you tell them where it is (and you probably will) it will take a lot of time and noise to break through .5 or even 1 meter of sweet cement and tiles. Of course that is only for very long term safe storage and suppossing you have neighbours that would notice the irregular noise.

[Rosewater Foundation]

Breaking: National suicide hotline staff doubled.

If I didn't know any better I'd swear someone ate their own wall at 15000.

[bitserve]

I really think now is the time to just completely get out of Bitcoin.

The fact that the 1st two bubbles were engineered by MTGOX, and this last bubble has some authenticity, but is also the result of Tether$....

I think regulation will keep BTC honest. The bitcoin bubbles were truly counterfeits imo, because of unregulated businesses. It's human nature to freely take if the opportunity arises. All these bitcoin businesses and exchanges have been doing that pretty much; ie stealing.

There is no way Bitcoin will function as a currency, and as a commodity it will just function the same as other commodities.

??

[Rosewater Foundation]

this Coinomi is a phone thing?

don't tell me people are keeping real money on phones...

It's an android wallet we trust exclusively for sweeping forks, afaik

[mymenace]

I really think now is the time to just completely get out of Bitcoin.

The fact that the 1st two bubbles were engineered by MTGOX, and this last bubble has some authenticity, but is also the result of Tether$....

I think regulation will keep BTC honest. The bitcoin bubbles were truly counterfeits imo, because of unregulated businesses. It's human nature to freely take if the opportunity arises. All these bitcoin businesses and exchanges have been doing that pretty much; ie stealing.

There is no way Bitcoin will function as a currency, and as a commodity it will just function the same as other commodities.

??

now you gettin it

just like every other scam (fiat, forex, stocks, gold, silver) out there

now play it

check your scam coin, check the charts, fundamentals etc etc etc

just like the other markets, play it the same way

everything points to it not being at the top yet

trade well

ensure to play the scam, this is how wealth is accumulated.

[Arriemoller]

You rent the box and it can't be opened without a court order.

OK... so you trust your banks and government and legal system, in a vastly socialist state.   My condolences. 

Socialist?

Sweden has always been a capitalist democratic country with due process and all that.

I will allow you to be a step above Norway, maybe above Denmark.  Not difficult, as some of the most socialist western countries.

Is your schooling, healthcare, wellfare, transport government controlled?  Do you pay taxes (all right, I know you pay among the highest in the world)  Welcome to socialism, my friend.

Actually no, they are all controlled by local councils  or run privately.

I think you Americans use the word socialist differently then we do.
We use it in it's original meaning (No democracy, everything owned by the state, private ownership not allowed, dictatorship, and so on).
While you seem to glue that word on any high tax democracy with a welfare system..

[Arriemoller]

this Coinomi is a phone thing?

don't tell me people are keeping real money on phones...

No, just bitcoins. It's non custodial, you have the seed.

[bitserve]

You rent the box and it can't be opened without a court order.

OK... so you trust your banks and government and legal system, in a vastly socialist state.   My condolences. 

Socialist?

Sweden has always been a capitalist democratic country with due process and all that.

I will allow you to be a step above Norway, maybe above Denmark.  Not difficult, as some of the most socialist western countries.

Is your schooling, healthcare, wellfare, transport government controlled?  Do you pay taxes (all right, I know you pay among the highest in the world)  Welcome to socialism, my friend.

Actually no, they are all controlled by local councils  or run privately.

I think you Americans use the word socialist differently then we do.
We use it in it's original meaning (No democracy, everything owned by the state, private ownership not allowed, dictatorship, and so on).
While you seem to glue that word on any high tax democracy with a welfare system..

Isn't that comunism?

[mymenace]

You rent the box and it can't be opened without a court order.

OK... so you trust your banks and government and legal system, in a vastly socialist state.   My condolences.  

Socialist?

Sweden has always been a capitalist democratic country with due process and all that.

I will allow you to be a step above Norway, maybe above Denmark.  Not difficult, as some of the most socialist western countries.

Is your schooling, healthcare, wellfare, transport government controlled?  Do you pay taxes (all right, I know you pay among the highest in the world)  Welcome to socialism, my friend.

Actually no, they are all controlled by local councils  or run privately.

I think you Americans use the word socialist differently then we do.
We use it in it's original meaning (No democracy, everything owned by the state, private ownership not allowed, dictatorship, and so on).
While you seem to glue that word on any high tax democracy with a welfare system..

Sweden has always been a capitalist democratic country

THIS IS FUNNY

its like saying Britain or the USA or France is a democracy


 Proof

1) have they brexit yet, 2 years later

2) democratically elected president (Resistance, Russiagate)

3) Macron - money for the unemployed and no jobs and more immigration (not what the people want)


yeah the will of the people is being listened to

I dont think so

[bitserve]

this Coinomi is a phone thing?

don't tell me people are keeping real money on phones...

No, just bitcoins. It's non custodial, you have the seed.

But still the phone/computer you are using it gets to know the seed from the very moment you input it.

[Arriemoller]

I am, seriously, going to bury a laminated copy somewhere on my land. And have smaller amounts also in my hidden home safe. (I have a visible decoy safe bought very cheap from Cina with some crap in it).

and now the internet knows all these things

Hahahahahaha...   I can see it now.


Criminal:  "Hey Arriemoller, your valuables or your life."

Arriemoller:  "Please, please, no, no, no.. don't take my life... .. o.k.  I will take you to my safe.  Here it is ... it is be called safe."

Criminal:  "Is this the "decoy safe" or the real one?"

Arriemoller:  "Of course this is the real safe.  I want you to have all my valuables and not my life."

Criminal:  "O.k.  i thought that I read somewhere...... "

Arriemoller interrupts criminal, and:  "you probably getting me mixed up with someone else, and you know peeps say all kinds of shit on the interwebs... Of course that is the real safe with real bitcoins and other cryptos available and even title to my yacht that I acquired from the appreciation of my many ETHs.  Surely, I have no other safes in any of these places nor on my yacht.. and you can take the yacht, too."

Criminal:  "O.k.  Your story seems quite plausible, and I have a high level of confidence that you are disclosing everything, and for that reason, I am even gonna leave you with your yacht and I will just take the total value of your crypto that is in this safe, which happens to be .003146BTC and 25.384 ETH, and that should be enough for me anyhow, since I am a modest kind of criminal, and I have modest material needs, too.  Thank you very much, Arriemoller, you have been amongst the most cooperative of my crypto targets, and I thank you for making this whole robbing process easier for me."

Arriemoller and Criminal do a "man hug" because no gay here, and then each goes their separate ways, which means the criminal leaves.   

I do NOT have ETH, but I do have a loaded pistol in a safe. Please let the robbers make me open that safe.

They DO know you might have firearms or whatever inside it. It's never YOU who open your safe, and even if you allowed to do it, they KNOW that is a critical moment and are 100% ready to take action into any suspecting move you make.

I have always said that it is way better to bury whatever in the ground so that even if you tell them where it is (and you probably will) it will take a lot of time and noise to break through .5 or even 1 meter of sweet cement and tiles. Of course that is only for very long term safe storage and suppossing you have neighbours that would notice the irregular noise.

In cement would be overkill even for me, but in the ground yes.

[bitserve]

I am, seriously, going to bury a laminated copy somewhere on my land. And have smaller amounts also in my hidden home safe. (I have a visible decoy safe bought very cheap from Cina with some crap in it).

and now the internet knows all these things

Hahahahahaha...   I can see it now.


Criminal:  "Hey Arriemoller, your valuables or your life."

Arriemoller:  "Please, please, no, no, no.. don't take my life... .. o.k.  I will take you to my safe.  Here it is ... it is be called safe."

Criminal:  "Is this the "decoy safe" or the real one?"

Arriemoller:  "Of course this is the real safe.  I want you to have all my valuables and not my life."

Criminal:  "O.k.  i thought that I read somewhere...... "

Arriemoller interrupts criminal, and:  "you probably getting me mixed up with someone else, and you know peeps say all kinds of shit on the interwebs... Of course that is the real safe with real bitcoins and other cryptos available and even title to my yacht that I acquired from the appreciation of my many ETHs.  Surely, I have no other safes in any of these places nor on my yacht.. and you can take the yacht, too."

Criminal:  "O.k.  Your story seems quite plausible, and I have a high level of confidence that you are disclosing everything, and for that reason, I am even gonna leave you with your yacht and I will just take the total value of your crypto that is in this safe, which happens to be .003146BTC and 25.384 ETH, and that should be enough for me anyhow, since I am a modest kind of criminal, and I have modest material needs, too.  Thank you very much, Arriemoller, you have been amongst the most cooperative of my crypto targets, and I thank you for making this whole robbing process easier for me."

Arriemoller and Criminal do a "man hug" because no gay here, and then each goes their separate ways, which means the criminal leaves.  

I do NOT have ETH, but I do have a loaded pistol in a safe. Please let the robbers make me open that safe.

They DO know you might have firearms or whatever inside it. It's never YOU who open your safe, and even if you allowed to do it, they KNOW that is a critical moment and are 100% ready to take action into any suspecting move you make.

I have always said that it is way better to bury whatever in the ground so that even if you tell them where it is (and you probably will) it will take a lot of time and noise to break through .5 or even 1 meter of sweet cement and tiles. Of course that is only for very long term safe storage and suppossing you have neighbours that would notice the irregular noise.

In cement would be overkill even for me, but in the ground yes.

"sweet cement"... I don't know if that is a right english term.... It is basically a mixture of cement that has much more sand so it is compact but at the same time easier to get through. A good few hours would probably be needed though with a handheld electric hammer. So it is good for a long term storage solution yet very difficult for the thieves to carry on without risking someone calling police during the process.

[NiceSoft12]

I really think now is the time to just completely get out of Bitcoin.

The fact that the 1st two bubbles were engineered by MTGOX, and this last bubble has some authenticity, but is also the result of Tether$....

I think regulation will keep BTC honest. The bitcoin bubbles were truly counterfeits imo, because of unregulated businesses. It's human nature to freely take if the opportunity arises. All these bitcoin businesses and exchanges have been doing that pretty much; ie stealing.

There is no way Bitcoin will function as a currency, and as a commodity it will just function the same as other commodities.

??

now you gettin it

just like every other scam (fiat, forex, stocks, gold, silver) out there

now play it

check your scam coin, check the charts, fundamentals etc etc etc

just like the other markets, play it the same way

everything points to it not being at the top yet

trade well

ensure to play the scam, this is how wealth is accumulated.

Yeah but the philosophy behind Bitcoin isn't to play the game, but to hodl forever. People, besides people like myself (who's been extremely lucky), just don't profit trading bitcoins. Only hodlers profit.... that is until they don't profit which likely spells the end.

[Arriemoller]

You rent the box and it can't be opened without a court order.

OK... so you trust your banks and government and legal system, in a vastly socialist state.   My condolences. 

Socialist?

Sweden has always been a capitalist democratic country with due process and all that.

I will allow you to be a step above Norway, maybe above Denmark.  Not difficult, as some of the most socialist western countries.

Is your schooling, healthcare, wellfare, transport government controlled?  Do you pay taxes (all right, I know you pay among the highest in the world)  Welcome to socialism, my friend.

Actually no, they are all controlled by local councils  or run privately.

I think you Americans use the word socialist differently then we do.
We use it in it's original meaning (No democracy, everything owned by the state, private ownership not allowed, dictatorship, and so on).
While you seem to glue that word on any high tax democracy with a welfare system..

Isn't that comunism?

As far as I know the difference is only the way to get there, not the end goal. Communists want a revolution and socialists want a peaceful transition.

[jojo69]

whelp, this thread is going to hell

see you guys in the morning