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Mic, what type of scooter? Vespa? Yes Just rented on the Island.... Vespa gts 300 very very relax for island cruising ![Smiley](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/smiley.gif) When we are on holiday always renting a scooter or motocycles more easy than car or taxi .... never parking places -_- and with 2wheels Just always go and park Where you want stay 1h @ a place go to the next etc....
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July 16, 2018, 11:48:10 PM Last edit: July 17, 2018, 12:24:04 AM by ThePunisher49X |
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What to do when it is pamping like this? ![Embarrassed](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/embarrassed.gif) ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2Fihve4J%2FDi_Pur_Rd_Uc_AE6f04.jpg&t=665&c=MwylcoW2-2M_Cg) Wage cuckin' it? https://youtu.be/DMonlRsJ5hY ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif) Revision after 1 hour later: Nevermind, call connected. ![Lips sealed](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/lipsrsealed.gif)
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July 16, 2018, 11:48:38 PM |
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(quotes sprinkled with snippity snips) yes i think it will fly to the moon but not with this rise, there are some sign of a giant rise and we are far from it now, so what will happen next month is an intermediate loop becoming from mini loops, it may rise to 8-9k then fall to where it starts.
if it moves steep it is suspicious for me. again alot of people hunting news for an acceptable reason to that rise but it will end just like in july and this time intermediate trend may end in below the last bottom. But for a short time you can enjoy with rise.
I fundamentally agree with this view. I'm not sure we are due under 5k, but a steep, grim fall is ahead. We really need some capitulation to call it a night - at least in the form of vanishing volatility. I agree with an assessment that consolidation tends to be accompanied by decreasing volatility, but in the end, we cannot ever really know how long the consolidation period is going to last and at what point the price is going to be pushed out of the consolidation range - so in that sense nothing is inevitable in bitcoin Indeeed. Eventually, everyone here will be sure we're moving into the last big correction. When that happens, the badger might find it appropriate to go off skyrocketing without giving a single fuck.
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July 16, 2018, 11:50:06 PM Merited by BobLawblaw (1) |
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Now that I realize I can use lightning for shit posting, I may need to start my own node.
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July 17, 2018, 12:10:51 AM |
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Now that I realize I can use lightning for shit posting, I may need to start my own node.
This might be the second funniest war in history. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fstjdotblog.files.wordpress.com%2F2018%2F02%2F1452876767152425208.jpg%3Fw%3D672%26h%3D372%26crop%3D1&t=665&c=zwqTjbHceVTokg)
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July 17, 2018, 12:13:46 AM |
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Now that I realize I can use lightning for shit posting, I may need to start my own node.
Someone could argue that lightning is not decentralized enough for true shitposting. On other news, it looks like order books are betting on UP.
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July 17, 2018, 12:14:43 AM |
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stfu basher!! :\ you are such a self serving person i hope you lose your shirt shorting&distorting <<< yeah right... maybe I should cry instead of laughing? Certainly Searing is neither a basher, a short player nor a book talker. He does have a tendency to dwell on the possible negative outcomes, though. Even in the brightest and clearest of days, searing can manage to spot a cloud or two. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Just looking for a bit 'more' news or such on why BTC is pumping now BESIDES the usual 'hedge' of some BTC IN CASE this SEC thingy..comes to pass in the next month. I have seen this before with other FAILED attempts at ETF's etc from SEC etc So is there some other reason(s) of MAJOR noteworthyness to counteract what I see as the main 'weight' on this price rise of BTC and/or pump? If so point it out....would like to see more balanced and more reasons than just this one instance...(again, seen this before with failed SEC ETF's etc...would be MORE comfortable with more action than just this upcoming event to base this on...) as to the cloud or two? do you blame me...we have current society issue (see Trump and Putin) that are boggling my mind..when I try to figure out this 'magical internet money' bitcoin on top of that .....well....always looking to cover my butt.... my current view is 'everything is a bubble' stock market/ maybe? crypto (hope acts as store of value and not) and such therefore have been thru 5 recessions ...trying to be a 'bit' proactive here....on all aspects and hodl as much crypto as possible but to say I'm weirded out by 'reality' and 'society' and 'current political climate' is an understatement....so just going with 'everyone is as clueless as I am...powerful or not' and staying out of debt and preparing for our next, IMHO, major recession... as to crypto..my 'optimistic bet' (i hear gasps) are....that it will act as a store of value (like gold) and not get as messed up as I expect my traditional investments will become....thus use BTC as my 'hedge' ... being a bit 'pessimistic' never hurt anyone...I especially should have 'heeded' such in 2017 (groan!) anyway, worse case I'm wrong, my ass is 'covered' stay out of debt and crypto hoard is more or less intact....best case I over-reacted..and then will be confused on all the moon/rainbows/unicorns/fairy dust/and gnomes in my future ... brad brad
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July 17, 2018, 12:18:01 AM |
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Just looking for a bit 'more' news or such on why BTC is pumping now BESIDES the usual 'hedge' of some BTC IN CASE this
SEC thingy..comes to pass in the next month.
Just as the Winklevoss rejection was the excuse for the alt explosion, perhaps this rejection will the excuse for the monstrous defecation that'll finally clear out the dead wood. The least useful thing that could happen now would be an empty pump based on a doomed hope. It looks like we might get one anyway.
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July 17, 2018, 12:19:44 AM |
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(quotes sprinkled with snippity snips) yes i think it will fly to the moon but not with this rise, there are some sign of a giant rise and we are far from it now, so what will happen next month is an intermediate loop becoming from mini loops, it may rise to 8-9k then fall to where it starts.
if it moves steep it is suspicious for me. again alot of people hunting news for an acceptable reason to that rise but it will end just like in july and this time intermediate trend may end in below the last bottom. But for a short time you can enjoy with rise.
I fundamentally agree with this view. I'm not sure we are due under 5k, but a steep, grim fall is ahead. We really need some capitulation to call it a night - at least in the form of vanishing volatility. I agree with an assessment that consolidation tends to be accompanied by decreasing volatility, but in the end, we cannot ever really know how long the consolidation period is going to last and at what point the price is going to be pushed out of the consolidation range - so in that sense nothing is inevitable in bitcoin Indeeed. Eventually, everyone here will be sure we're moving into the last big correction. When that happens, the badger might find it appropriate to go off skyrocketing without giving a single fuck. Are you assuming that we need "one last BIG correction"? I am suggesting that there are lots of scenarios, including a scenario in which no additional BIG corrections take place from the downside from here... and so what if there is a 20% correction after we reach $10k, that is not the same as having any kind of assumption that we need to have a down before we can have an up..
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July 17, 2018, 12:21:58 AM Merited by BobLawblaw (1) |
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Concept only - not to scale. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fpreview.ibb.co%2FdawDWy%2F4_AB560_DA_B576_4481_AD5_B_4_DC73_EC2_AA63.jpg&t=665&c=kerwuIahKVJn0w)
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July 17, 2018, 12:28:36 AM |
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stfu basher!! :\ you are such a self serving person i hope you lose your shirt shorting&distorting <<< yeah right... maybe I should cry instead of laughing? Certainly Searing is neither a basher, a short player nor a book talker. He does have a tendency to dwell on the possible negative outcomes, though. Even in the brightest and clearest of days, searing can manage to spot a cloud or two. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Just looking for a bit 'more' news or such on why BTC is pumping now BESIDES the usual 'hedge' of some BTC IN CASE this SEC thingy..comes to pass in the next month. I have seen this before with other FAILED attempts at ETF's etc from SEC etc So is there some other reason(s) of MAJOR noteworthyness to counteract what I see as the main 'weight' on this price rise of BTC and/or pump? If so point it out....would like to see more balanced and more reasons than just this one instance...(again, seen this before with failed SEC ETF's etc...would be MORE comfortable with more action than just this upcoming event to base this on... brad You are not new to this rodeo, either, but you are still attempting to assert that there has to be a reason for one thing or another, and in the end, there can be all kinds of reasons that merely add up to UP or DOWN... In other words, I don't think that it is fruitful to look for reasons (like mainstream media frequently does), and sure, sometimes some events are more influential than others in pushing bitcoin over the edge to go one price direction or another, but sometimes we cannot really be sure about which caused which when we add it all together. So for example, if the bears have been attempting and attempting and attempting to eat away at BTC price support in the upper $5ks and lower $6ks, but they are just running out of coins, and they are running out of peeps to scare out of their coins... at some point, they might just have to let the price go up, because that is the direction of least resistance - however, merely because BTC prices start to go up, that does not mean that bears might not get another chance to push it down again (they might be successful and they might not).. so yeah, we can have explanations that we just have to take with a BIG ass grain of salt, anyhow... so what purpose does it serve to strive to find such explanations when they are likely fleeting and they are also likely to cause more stress than necessary, when in the end, both you and I and a few other long term BTC bulls, understand BTC well enough to know that the most likely inevitable longer term price direction is up rather than either down or sideways... so in the end, we know not to be shaken from our coins and we that we are quite likely to be in a very decent spot down the road (while others in the mainstream are just learning about BTC, we already know about it)
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July 17, 2018, 12:37:27 AM |
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stfu basher!! :\ you are such a self serving person i hope you lose your shirt shorting&distorting <<< yeah right... maybe I should cry instead of laughing? Certainly Searing is neither a basher, a short player nor a book talker. He does have a tendency to dwell on the possible negative outcomes, though. Even in the brightest and clearest of days, searing can manage to spot a cloud or two. ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) Just looking for a bit 'more' news or such on why BTC is pumping now BESIDES the usual 'hedge' of some BTC IN CASE this SEC thingy..comes to pass in the next month. I have seen this before with other FAILED attempts at ETF's etc from SEC etc So is there some other reason(s) of MAJOR noteworthyness to counteract what I see as the main 'weight' on this price rise of BTC and/or pump? If so point it out....would like to see more balanced and more reasons than just this one instance...(again, seen this before with failed SEC ETF's etc...would be MORE comfortable with more action than just this upcoming event to base this on... brad You are not new to this rodeo, either, but you are still attempting to assert that there has to be a reason for one thing or another, and in the end, there can be all kinds of reasons that merely add up to UP or DOWN... In other words, I don't think that it is fruitful to look for reasons (like mainstream media frequently does), and sure, sometimes some events are more influential than others in pushing bitcoin over the edge to go one price direction or another, but sometimes we cannot really be sure about which caused which when we add it all together. So for example, if the bears have been attempting and attempting and attempting to eat away at BTC price support in the upper $5ks and lower $6ks, but they are just running out of coins, and they are running out of peeps to scare out of their coins... at some point, they might just have to let the price go up, because that is the direction of least resistance - however, merely because BTC prices start to go up, that does not mean that bears might not get another chance to push it down again (they might be successful and they might not).. so yeah, we can have explanations that we just have to take with a BIG ass grain of salt, anyhow... so what purpose does it serve to strive to find such explanations when they are likely fleeting and they are also likely to cause more stress than necessary, when in the end, both you and I and a few other long term BTC bulls, understand BTC well enough to know that the most likely inevitable longer term price direction is up rather than either down or sideways... so in the end, we know not to be shaken from our coins and we that we are quite likely to be in a very decent spot down the road (while others in the mainstream are just learning about BTC, we already know about it) yeah, I agree, just in this instance..just seeing the old ETF supposed, maybe happening, and then does not happen...usual reversal what is the reason it pops up NOW, besides my 'paranoia'? Not seeing much, but the 'supposed' ETF angle than again, wtf do I know...just saying, what came to mind on the current pump I would rather this just be a coincidence and part of the general fatigue and pump back to what I think are reasonable above 10k prices but if wishes were fishes...we'd all take a swim... (wanders off mumbling to self..have a hard enough time with 'current' reality....add magical internet money on top of that mess and I'm more than a bit befuddled...) ![Sad](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/sad.gif)
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So when trying to research this I came across this vid and I just cannot follow him with the combination of his accent and the difficulty of the material he's presenting. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTsjMz3DaLshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTsjMz3DaLsSo I tried to find a primer and ran into this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTsjMz3DaLshttps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oTsjMz3DaLsAnd this is where I gave up! ![Cheesy](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif) I did find a few posts that gave an ELI5 on the subject so I have a pretty good idea of the reasoning and the benefits but I'd really like to see a more nuts and bolts explanation that I can follow, does anyone have a better link to a Vid for this subject for the non professional mathematician? "The price of bitcoin surged Monday after a report said that BlackRock has set up a working group to explore ways of taking advantage of the cryptocurrency market.....The world’s most valuable virtual currency by market value jumped more than 4 percent." Someone needs to tell CNBC that 4% is not a surge in bitcoinland, but a common daily fluctuation. LOL, RITE! 4% is not even a fart in this wind! Looking forward to some quality Schnorr FUD from Jbear and crew.
I don't know why you'd think that. I don't believe I have previously espoused an opinion on Schnorr sigs. You basically said Schnorr signatures would do nothing to alleviate the scaling issue. That would qualify as an opinion. P.S.: Here it is: https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=178336.msg22571868#msg22571868It would have a massive impact on the multisig transactions if what I read was correct as well as cutting down on the multisig spam(although I am not up on how big a problem that currently is). 25-30% efficiency improvement from Schnorr is not 'nothing', but also not earth shaking.
That is only multisig though correct?
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July 17, 2018, 01:03:38 AM |
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Are you assuming that we need "one last BIG correction"?
I'm not assuming that much, but that's what my gut tells me through... well, that's advanced SOMA stuff ![Tongue](https://bitcointalk.org/Smileys/default/tongue.gif) I'm glad I followed my gut by shorting. I managed to stash some away and with this little climb I'm still well in the green even with the play money I left on the table. My final point, however, was the admission that for all we know, the badger might well not give a single fuck what we or anybody else thinks or feels.
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July 17, 2018, 01:07:00 AM |
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Now that I realize I can use lightning for shit posting, I may need to start my own node.
This might be the second funniest war in history. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fstjdotblog.files.wordpress.com%2F2018%2F02%2F1452876767152425208.jpg%3Fw%3D672%26h%3D372%26crop%3D1&t=665&c=zwqTjbHceVTokg) I actually see what you did there...not bad
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Imagine if you could use just one signature for all of your transaction inputs rather than one signature for each of your transaction inputs. That's all us mortals need to understand. Leave it to the gods to work out how the math behind all of that works.
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Yes whenever you use a wallet you may have multi-inputs and multiple signatures, you just don’t necessarily realize it.
Besides, Schnorr is just a stepping stone to coinjoin.
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July 17, 2018, 01:16:08 AM |
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Now that I realize I can use lightning for shit posting, I may need to start my own node.
This might be the second funniest war in history. ![](https://ip.bitcointalk.org/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fstjdotblog.files.wordpress.com%2F2018%2F02%2F1452876767152425208.jpg%3Fw%3D672%26h%3D372%26crop%3D1&t=665&c=zwqTjbHceVTokg) I actually see what you did there...not bad Don’t mention the war.
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July 17, 2018, 01:17:25 AM |
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Yes whenever you use a wallet you may have multi-inputs and multiple signatures, you just don’t necessarily realize it.
Besides, Schnorr is just a stepping stone to coinjoin.
Linky?
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