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September 24, 2018, 12:50:24 PM

Price is down to unprecedented* levels.

It was nice knowing you all, we will never forget this crazy experiment that we were all a part of.



*in terms of the past few minutes/seconds
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September 24, 2018, 12:59:02 PM

Price is down to unprecedented* levels.

It was nice knowing you all, we will never forget this crazy experiment that we were all a part of.



*in terms of the past few minutes/seconds

yeah still under 10K what are we gonna do .......

suggest hodl all the way
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September 24, 2018, 01:55:22 PM

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(1/6000*7000)+(1/8000*9000) = $2.29166666667


I give up  Cry


I think the key word is money. Do you consider bitcoin is money or usd as money? If you consider that money is us$ fiat  (rather than just currency) its quite simple you made 2k dollars for no change in your bitcoin wealth.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-currency-and-money-1

But perhaps bitcoin is a better form of money? In which case you didn't increase your bitcoin wealth at all but did get 2k dollars of dry powder to buy on the next dip.

The answer is you made less money than if you hodl'd
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September 24, 2018, 02:05:02 PM

So higher low daily and continuation in the next days? Bitcoin still looking fairly strong. Hopefully nothing weird happens, we all know this is a serious market with no pumps and dumps.
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September 24, 2018, 02:08:32 PM

Expect a continuation of the bullish movement

SHORTS amount decreased a lot despite on the falling past 3 days market
Probably MM prepares something

Also, a daily MA50 retest is nice


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September 24, 2018, 02:19:50 PM

1 small pump of XRP and all the enthousiast where there HAHA     

One XRP follower = 10 Twitter accounts... Roll Eyes

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$2000 + 0.00 bitcoin = NO "REAL" MONEY
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September 24, 2018, 02:28:18 PM

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1k  Grin
2k

Added: +2k in fiat but in BTC you would be -1k because if you had held your would BTC would be worth +3k from initial purchase. Cheesy

So the answer is... -1K in fiat terms relative. Oww my Brain hurts.

I think if he originally had $8k, his profit would be 2k
But if he had only $6k, his profit would be 1k
 

True, If he only had 6k then he could not have made the second purchase.

Since it says he made both purchases he must have had at least 7k to start.


Or does it say you brought 1$ BTC @    etc.


$6k in seashells. Tongue


this 1 $BTC is misleading.

(1/6000*7000)+(1/8000*9000) = $2.29166666667


You will have to explain this to the rest of the class.

It doesn't matter if $BTC is a typo, he means 1 BTC, or he means 1 BCASH, or 1 ASS.... he:

1- Buy 1 of whatever for $6000, and afterwards sells it for $7000. Profit = $1000
2- Buy 1 of whatever for $8000, and afterwards sells it for $9000. Profit = $1000

Total money made: $2K.... Or, just in case the "," is eur notation: $2,000

Oh, fuck, I said I gave up, I can't even stand by my word now Sad

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this 1 $BTC is misleading.

Correct. There is no such thing as "1 $BTC", so the question is ambiguous and there is no "right" answer.

You can substitute $BTC for A and solve for A.

I prefer to solve for seashells. Tongue

Still, this rally isn’t broken yet.

The failure to break past $6610 on that break downwards indicates to me that the bulls are in control.  

I am changing my position and flipping to short term bullish.

I got stopped out about 3 minutes after posting this.  Bitcoin is one hell of a ride !

W00ps LOL ...


I think the key word is money. Do you consider bitcoin is money or usd as money? If you consider that money is us$ fiat  (rather than just currency) its quite simple you made 2k dollars for no change in your bitcoin wealth.

https://www.quora.com/What-is-the-difference-between-currency-and-money-1

But perhaps bitcoin is a better form of money? In which case you didn't increase your bitcoin wealth at all but did get 2k dollars of dry powder to buy on the next dip.

The answer is you made less money than if you hodl'd

I agree, so solve for both. Smiley

$2000 + 0.00 bitcoin = NO "REAL" MONEY

Lol, yup I think that was his point. But from that point of view you would have lost -1k by not holding at 6k. You missed the 1k at 7-8k Tongue
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I think if he originally had $8k, his profit would be 2k
But if he had only $6k, his profit would be 1k
 

True, If he only had 6k then he could not have made the second purchase.

Since it says he made both purchases he must have had at least 7k to start.


He could lend this money
So he gained 1k from the 1st deal
Then took -1k when he lent
And then again +1k



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1 small pump of XRP and all the enthousiast where there HAHA     

I’ve got a load of XRP left at Bittrex, not overly concerned about it but be great if they went to say $100 each one day Grin
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You likely have your finger on the pulse of the bcash community more than anyone else here. How's everything looking in regard to the possible hardfork?

Magic 8 ball says: "Concentrate and ask again".

In all due seriousness, I really don't have a good read on this yet. I've not even finished my analysis as to which way I would like to see it go.

As for my initial preferences:

My first read is that I'd like to see it tend toward no block size cap (and therefore have max block size be an emergent property of the system, a la BU). I also think I like the idea of re-enabling opcodes that were in the initial release - at least as compared to enabling a new opcode. I don't see the need for CTOR either.

All the above would put me in the SV camp, rather than the ABC camp. Or perhaps BU (hash power vote on each feature), or C0bra (no changes). But as I said, more analysis is required.

I also hold out some hope for a kumbaya moment. However, cross-camp relations don't seem to be getting any better with time.

Given that Bitmain has a split commitment to BCH and BTC, I was fairly comfortable in the hashpower battle going forward with nChain/Ayre/&co. However, with Bitmain finally successful (from all reports) with a 7nm chip, this no longer seems a safe assumption.

I guess I'll need to finish my analysis, pick a side, and get involved with the internal advocacy...
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September 24, 2018, 03:26:51 PM

You likely have your finger on the pulse of the bcash community more than anyone else here. How's everything looking in regard to the possible hardfork?

I will take the liberty to give my input.  Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92cwKCU8Z5c

Yeah... about that... I dunno, man.

We seem to have at least three camps that are determined to their way or the hiway:
- SV
- ABC
- C0bra

As well as BU trying to play peacemaker, but the result of their role is misunderstood.

SV and ABC each seem to have significant hashpower. This will likely lead to a split -- should each side remain committed to their cause -- resulting in two BCHs.

I've not seen any evidence that C0bra has any significant hashpower behind it. Accordingly, I expect this effort to fail, and if 'successful', be result in such a minority fork that it asymptotically tends toward zero. Maybe even quickly, due to hashpower-driven chain death.

Which leaves BU as the random wild card. Due to the rules of consensus, BU will follow the first chain -- SV or ABC -- to mine a majority block that contains a transaction that employs the new SV rules or the new ABC rules. That is first-in-time. Once the chain contains a transaction with either SV rules or ABC rules, it cannot ever contain a block with the other's rules. That is, subject to a majority of hashpower suddenly deciding to accept the other camp's rules, by creating a block with both's rules. Unlikely.

So rather than 'Winner takes it all', unless some attitudes change, we seem to be heading for 2.1 forks of BCH going forward. Which could likely portend a dismal future.

As said above, I'm hoping for a kumbaya moment.
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After all, one of the narratives is that BCH is not supposed to be used for a store of value;

Whose narrative is that? I don't recall that position ever being advocated by anyone of note.

Ability to be used as a medium of exchange (MoE) certainly does not preclude ability to be used as a store of value (SoV). Indeed, there is significant evidence that MoE is necessary for any commodity to become a SoV. And a reasonable theory that any commodity that loses its MoE will therefore lose its ability to be a SoV. Which bodes poorly for BTC, unless the LN grows quickly by several orders of magnitude.
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You likely have your finger on the pulse of the bcash community more than anyone else here. How's everything looking in regard to the possible hardfork?

I will take the liberty to give my input.  Grin

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=92cwKCU8Z5c

Yeah... about that... I dunno, man.

We seem to have at least three camps that are determined to their way or the hiway:
- SV
- ABC
- C0bra

As well as BU trying to play peacemaker, but the result of their role is misunderstood.

SV and ABC each seem to have significant hashpower. This will likely lead to a split -- should each side remain committed to their cause -- resulting in two BCHs.

I've not seen any evidence that C0bra has any significant hashpower behind it. Accordingly, I expect this effort to fail, and if 'successful', be result in such a minority fork that it asymptotically tends toward zero. Maybe even quickly, due to hashpower-driven chain death.

Which leaves BU as the random wild card. Due to the rules of consensus, BU will follow the first chain -- SV or ABC -- to mine a majority block that contains a transaction that employs the new SV rules or the new ABC rules. That is first-in-time. Once the chain contains a transaction with either SV rules or ABC rules, it cannot ever contain a block with the other's rules. That is, subject to a majority of hashpower suddenly deciding to accept the other camp's rules, by creating a block with both's rules. Unlikely.

So rather than 'Winner takes it all', unless some attitudes change, we seem to be heading for 2.1 forks of BCH going forward. Which could likely portend a dismal future.

As said above, I'm hoping for a kumbaya moment.
I wonder if it's fair to say that BCH took more of the people who saw Bitcoin ideolologically as a way to fight against the dollar and government. This leads to more internal struggle about now what is their one true Bitcoin and the one true way it should be while the real Bitcoin is now just chugging along.
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September 24, 2018, 03:37:26 PM
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I guess you didn't get the memo. The person who discovered and responsibly disclosed this devastating bug was a bcasher.

neener neener neener.

Even if true, that is no slam dunk in your favor... but I would concede that if true, I would have to reconsider a variety of my presumptions about bcashers and the folks who are working on it.

Time to get busy reconsiderin'  

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Nothing extraordinary about this claim.

You're looking foolish, BTW.

Your the one who is being disingenuous (which can likely be described as foolish, too), if you supposedly have evidence and you are not sharing it.

Jeebus. Self-imposed blinders. Again. Now you're looking foolish. Again.

And it's not even that the fact that it took a beeeecasher to find a potentially devastating Core bug is any great shakes. The significant thing here is that it lays bare the absurdity of the echo-chamber driven narrative of 'our devs walk on water, all other devs are slime dwelling script kiddies'.
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September 24, 2018, 03:55:23 PM

I wonder if it's fair to say that BCH took more of the people who saw Bitcoin ideolologically as a way to fight against the dollar and government.

I certainly feel that to be the case. Then again, I'm not exactly an impartial observer. Where are the sociological statisticians when you need them?

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This leads to more internal struggle about now what is their one true Bitcoin and the one true way it should be

Hmm. Seems to me that the SV initiative could lay a legitimate claim to this, but that the ABC camp is abandoning that hill. Maybe multiple camps on the ideological front is leading to multiple camps on the implementation front?
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September 24, 2018, 03:55:25 PM

lulz.

https://twitter.com/JimBTC/status/1044253414027395072

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