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[kirreev070]

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[Torque]

So basically a whale or company that did not want to take the risk is pulling their money out of BFX the only way they can...through BTC.

Now that same risk adverse whale or company will want to convert back to their precious safe fiat currency on another exchange. Sure they lose money but have less risk. Which also drives the price down on that other exchange.

But... bbut... if what they are saying is true, "certain user groups" (whales?) are desperately trying to get more fiat in, presumably to buy more Bitcoin. Not trying to take more fiat out. They said fiat withdrawals are working fine.

Does someone know something?

Bullish.  

[Topbanker]

THOSE SHORT EXPERTS       watch out hairy  

He was not liquidated (if you are talking about Tone Vays). On bitmex (where he is doing this trade) highest was $6777. His liquidation happens at around $7650.

[jonoiv]

maybe Kucoin has their own vested intenrest in feeding the tether fud.  

Precisely.  It's all whale games.

Give this man a new hat.  

wich one, i got a few hat's.

ill take the red hat for now thanks, that's the hat not the candle colour.

[podyx]

Anybody mind explaining to me how tether works and how it's relevant to bitcoin price at all?

[kirreev070]

It hit 50 cents on Polo v USD Circle

[toknormal]

Anybody mind explaining to me how tether works and how it's relevant to bitcoin price at all?

1. There is a blockchain that is unlike any other in that it has no protocol defining the coin supply automatically. It just gets added to manually on an arbitrary basis by a human being

2. The ability to do this is under the exclusive power of a private company registered in the Cayman Islands with a couple or more private shareholders

3. There is a notional idea that the amount of coin supply represents the amount of "real" $USD that is sent to the bank accounts of that company registerred in the Cayman Islands. But this is simply an unverifiable fairy tail as far as regular traders and observers are concerned

HOW IT AFFECTS BITCOIN

1. Many of the biggest exchanges in the world that quote "USD" prices for bitcoin are actually trading bitcoin against this "synthetic blockchain dollar" as opposed to real bank deposits

2. In particular, the largest exchange in the world (is it ?) - or one of them, Bitfinex

3. Bitfinex also happens to be owned/run by the same owners of the Cayman Islands company that produce the "fake" dollars, So this would effectively allow them to create any amount of liquidity for nothing on the USD side of the trade and buy of the bitcoin on their own or other exchanges, thereby creating hugely artificial market pumps/dumps. We do in fact see Bitfinex leading the price in a lot of pumps as we did today

4. There are some well researched articles showing that the Bitfinex/USD Tether operation has essentially been responsible for the ENTIRE price rise in bitcoin right from $180 to where we are today

[xhomerx10]

maybe Kucoin has their own vested intenrest in feeding the tether fud.  

Precisely.  It's all whale games.

Give this man a new hat.  

 


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Edit: trying to post from my phone... sorry no proper image tools

Good good .... Then for once you can’t outperform all the rest

 I'm home

[jonoiv]

Anybody mind explaining to me how tether works and how it's relevant to bitcoin price at all?

1. There is a blockchain that is unlike any other in that it has no protocol defining the coin supply automatically. It just gets added to manually on an arbitrary basis by a human being

2. The ability to do this is under the exclusive power of a private company registered in the Cayman Islands with a couple or more private shareholders

3. There is a notional idea that the amount of coin supply represents the amount of "real" $USD that is sent to the bank accounts of that company registerred in the Cayman Islands. But this is simply an unverifiable fairy tail as far as regular traders and observers are concerned

HOW IT AFFECTS BITCOIN

1. Many of the biggest exchanges in the world that quote "USD" prices for bitcoin are actually trading bitcoin against this "synthetic blockchain dollar" as opposed to real bank deposits

2. In particular, the largest exchange in the world (is it ?) - or one of them, Bitfinex

3. Bitfinex also happens to be owned/run by the same owners of the Cayman Islands company that produce the "fake" dollars, So this would effectively allow them to create any amount of liquidity for nothing on the USD side of the trade and buy of the bitcoin on their own or other exchanges, thereby creating hugely artificial market pumps/dumps. We do in fact see Bitfinex leading the price in a lot of pumps as we did today

4. There are some well researched articles showing that the Bitfinex/USD Tether operation has essentially been responsible for the ENTIRE price rise in bitcoin right from $180 to where we are today

Having said that they do claim to have proven the funds and even if tether is worth 0, it still only accounts for only 2.1% of the total market cap of bitcoin, so appart from the FUD value, it's relitivly meaningless.

[infofront]

Anybody mind explaining to me how tether works and how it's relevant to bitcoin price at all?

1. There is a blockchain that is unlike any other in that it has no protocol defining the coin supply automatically. It just gets added to manually on an arbitrary basis by a human being

2. The ability to do this is under the exclusive power of a private company registered in the Cayman Islands with a couple or more private shareholders

3. There is a notional idea that the amount of coin supply represents the amount of "real" $USD that is sent to the bank accounts of that company registerred in the Cayman Islands. But this is simply an unverifiable fairy tail as far as regular traders and observers are concerned

HOW IT AFFECTS BITCOIN

1. Many of the biggest exchanges in the world that quote "USD" prices for bitcoin are actually trading bitcoin against this "synthetic blockchain dollar" as opposed to real bank deposits

2. In particular, the largest exchange in the world (is it ?) - or one of them, Bitfinex

3. Bitfinex also happens to be owned/run by the same owners of the Cayman Islands company that produce the "fake" dollars, So this would effectively allow them to create any amount of liquidity for nothing on the USD side of the trade and buy of the bitcoin on their own or other exchanges, thereby creating hugely artificial market pumps/dumps. We do in fact see Bitfinex leading the price in a lot of pumps as we did today

4. There are some well researched articles showing that the Bitfinex/USD Tether operation has essentially been responsible for the ENTIRE price rise in bitcoin right from $180 to where we are today

Having said that they do claim to have proven the funds and even if tether is worth 0, it still only accounts for only 2.01% of the total market cap of bitcoin, so appart from the FUD value, it's relitivly meaningless.

They've surely had enough USD to back the USDT in circulation at certain points. At other points in time, they probably haven't. This is why they were able to get a law firm to sign a letter basically saying "they have enough money to back all the USDT at the moment," yet accounting firms run away in horror as soon as they see Tether's books.

[sirazimuth]

https://twitter.com/Cryptanzee/status/1051746378295185409

nice one




JUST DON'T F****** BART US

Start of a Bart...looks like a Nessie...

[kirreev070]

LOL

[El duderino_]

maybe Kucoin has their own vested intenrest in feeding the tether fud. 

Precisely.  It's all whale games.

Give this man a new hat. 

 


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Edit: trying to post from my phone... sorry no proper image tools

Good good .... Then for once you can’t outperform all the rest

 I'm home

haha noticed immediately    nice what you've done with that hat btw 

[Raja_MBZ]

Fidelity, the $2.5 trillion Wall Street giant, is launching a brand new institutional brokerage and custody business for crypto

https://theblockcrypto.com/2018/10/15/fidelity-the-2-5-trillion-wall-street-giant-is-launching-a-brand-new-institutional-brokerage-and-custody-business-for-crypto/

Fidelity Launches Institutional Platform For Bitcoin And Ethereum

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldelcastillo/2018/10/15/fidelity-launches-institutional-platform-for-bitcoin-and-ethereum/#5319f43f93c4

Fidelity just made it easier for hedge funds and other pros to invest in cryptocurrencies

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/15/fidelity-launches-trade-execution-and-custody-for-cryptocurrencies.html

Fidelity Investments, which administers more than $7.2 trillion in client assets, announced a new and separate company called Fidelity Digital Asset Services Monday.

Okay, this is very bullish.

[StartupAnalyst]

[El duderino_]

^^

Did i saw “this is veryvery bullish? “

+50% of de smerit stash

[Realerre]

Fidelity, the $2.5 trillion Wall Street giant, is launching a brand new institutional brokerage and custody business for crypto

https://theblockcrypto.com/2018/10/15/fidelity-the-2-5-trillion-wall-street-giant-is-launching-a-brand-new-institutional-brokerage-and-custody-business-for-crypto/

Fidelity Launches Institutional Platform For Bitcoin And Ethereum

https://www.forbes.com/sites/michaeldelcastillo/2018/10/15/fidelity-launches-institutional-platform-for-bitcoin-and-ethereum/#5319f43f93c4

Fidelity just made it easier for hedge funds and other pros to invest in cryptocurrencies

https://www.cnbc.com/2018/10/15/fidelity-launches-trade-execution-and-custody-for-cryptocurrencies.html

Fidelity Investments, which administers more than $7.2 trillion in client assets, announced a new and separate company called Fidelity Digital Asset Services Monday.

Okay, this is very bullish.

This is the first Real bullish news in a while  I'm happy to see some movement, people unable to deposit and buy bitcoin is bullish too

[toknormal]

4. There are some well researched articles showing that the Bitfinex/USD Tether operation has essentially been responsible for the ENTIRE price rise in bitcoin right from $180 to where we are today

Having said that they do claim to have proven the funds and even if tether is worth 0, it still only accounts for only 2.1% of the total market cap of bitcoin, so appart from the FUD value, it's relitivly meaningless.

I don't understand why people continue to make this argument as if it's significant.

2% of bitcoin's marketcap is HUGE and easily enough to control the entire market, since only a tiny proportion bitcoin's supply is ever to be found on orderbooks. The significant ratio is not Tether Marketcap/Bitcoin marketcap but Tether Marketcap/Bitcoin Orderbook size.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. Just the fact that there's an arbitrarily controlled counterfeit money supply that requires no backing, is supported by the biggest exchanges, and is created at will by a private entity in the Cayman Islands is easily enough to scam the entire industry and implode the market if and when it goes tits up.

Here in fact is the "MT Gox" effect right in front of our faces:

[Speculatoross]

Son, they shook
Cause ain't no such things as halfway crooks
Scared to death, scared to look at their fucking orderbooks, they shook
Cause ain't no such things as halfway crooks
Scared to death, scared to look at their fucking orderbooks
Living the live that of diamonds and guns
There's numerous ways you can choose to earn funds


Tether and Bitfinex, Shook ones, Mobb Deep
Fuck usdt, fuck bear, long live the 90’s

[cAPSLOCK]

4. There are some well researched articles showing that the Bitfinex/USD Tether operation has essentially been responsible for the ENTIRE price rise in bitcoin right from $180 to where we are today

Having said that they do claim to have proven the funds and even if tether is worth 0, it still only accounts for only 2.1% of the total market cap of bitcoin, so appart from the FUD value, it's relitivly meaningless.

I don't understand why people continue to make this argument as if it's significant.

2% of bitcoin's marketcap is HUGE and easily enough to control the entire market, since only a tiny proportion bitcoin's supply is ever to be found on orderbooks. The significant ratio is not Tether Marketcap/Bitcoin marketcap but Tether Marketcap/Bitcoin Orderbook size.

Anyway, it doesn't matter. Just the fact that there's an arbitrarily controlled counterfeit money supply that requires no backing, is supported by the biggest exchanges, and is created at will by a private entity in the Cayman Islands is easily enough to scam the entire industry and implode the market if and when it goes tits up.

Here in fact is the "MT Gox" effect right in front of our faces:

Your fear is well founded.

But Bitcoin is stronger and more important than Tether.  Tether going tits up as you say would have a significant negative impact.  But I think it would be less than the impact of Gox in the past.

Bitfinex and their USDT should be shaking in their boots with Fidelity, Bakkt etc coming on board.  The tiddlywinks days of shady exchanges and monopoly money are coming to and end.

With fireworks?  Maybe.  But it might not matter in the end.  The things that are coming will dwarf all this in the end.