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Question: When ATH?
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November 19, 2018, 09:10:52 AM

This is really hard to watch.

And to be honest: Who would buy in a market like that.

We are constantly falling since January. You basically know, if you buy now, it will be worth less in one month.

You had the same thoughts from when it went from 1k to 160$.......?

With BTC you just need to know what you buy and stand behind your own personal decission, its as easy as that.
When you have 1k-10k-100k its always just the Same take a % of what you willing to risk and go on it, Some Guys are in 10% others are all in , yeah just gotta do where you feel comfortable with Smiley

'Xactly

Thing is that people are still confused thinking that btc has some kind of internal value that you can evaluate... But that's completely dumb. Btc is a digital asset that has the exact value of: number of btc available/amount of money people are willing to put inside this market.
That's all. There is no internal value in btc so price up or down means nothing except that noone wants to invest new $ in this market right now and that btc are kept produced...

Wait a couple years IMHO. We need fresh new people wanting in. We're mostly old folks around, we're more waiting to sell than "in" the technology for most of us I'd say.
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November 19, 2018, 09:34:23 AM

Because they just are mean motherF***ers and Maybe hatless peoples Grin

And also, maybe hairless people with a tons of money.
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November 19, 2018, 09:44:15 AM

Just curious, at what price would an institution make an OTC purchase (if that's actually happening)?  Would it be higher or lower than exchange prices.    
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November 19, 2018, 09:44:48 AM

$5265

Going down AGAIN FFS

Edit - $5186

Why would anybody be dumping now Sad

Because they just are mean motherF***ers and Maybe hatless peoples Grin

I feel like loosing more than only my hat... . Grin Grin
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November 19, 2018, 09:49:28 AM


This is really hard to watch.

And to be honest: Who would buy in a market like that.

We are constantly falling since January. You basically know, if you buy now, it will be worth less in one month.

That's why it's called "capitulation". Bigger the despair, bigger the probability that we hit the bottom.

Who the fuck is selling at these prices.

If I buy now, I'd like to know who is on the other side of my trade...

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November 19, 2018, 09:55:05 AM

Who the fuck is selling at these prices.

People who bought below $1000.
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November 19, 2018, 10:02:10 AM
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Who the fuck is selling at these prices.

People who bought below $1000.

I bought all of mine under $600.

I didn’t sell at $20,000 so no way am I selling now. In hindsight I should have sold at the last ATH but I want to wait for $50,000 per coin.
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November 19, 2018, 10:15:53 AM

Who the fuck is selling at these prices.

People who bought below $1000.

I bought all of mine under $600.

I didn’t sell at $20,000 so no way am I selling now. In hindsight I should have sold at the last ATH but I want to wait for $50,000 per coin.

Also depends on how many you bought. If you bought 5 coins from $600, you can wait till it hits $50k. That's a sensible move.

What if you bought 100coins from $600? You would be carrying x20 more risk now. And if it looks like it is going to go down in the upcoming weeks, (tbh it looks like it) it just makes sense to unload your risk.

I am not talking about long term. I too bought some from $1k 2k and $3k. Also bought from $8k, 12k and 15k.  Cheesy Didn't sell at $20k won't sell till I acquire my target networth. To accomplish this, I expect the price to be between $50-100k. That's a different scenario.

There are people who aren't long term hodlers but only interested in short term speculation. That's why btc does these crazy swings.

I can tolerate my $50k to go as low as $10k. No biggie. But I wouldn't so cool about it If my networth screen was showing $500k and about to be $200k in a few days. Grin
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November 19, 2018, 10:19:36 AM

Of course people are selling, they're in panic mode, they think the price will drop even lower
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November 19, 2018, 10:24:11 AM



What's your opinion on this?
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November 19, 2018, 10:27:37 AM

It’s FUD.  Next. 
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November 19, 2018, 10:28:15 AM



What's your opinion on this?

To much cursing?
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November 19, 2018, 10:29:25 AM

<<----snip---->>

What's your opinion on this?

It's a f###ing FUD too. Worst than a meme to me, I guess that user has f###ing amount of btc too to shill the market down.
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November 19, 2018, 10:33:41 AM

Yeah okay - mind to elaborate?
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November 19, 2018, 10:35:08 AM
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meh...

What's your opinion on this?

As a rule I ignore anything written in all caps. It's usually something written in a fit of rage by a person not burdened by an overabundance of schooling...
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November 19, 2018, 10:36:03 AM

I would like to hear people’s stories about how they first heard about Bitcoin ?

http://groups.csail.mit.edu/mac/classes/6.805/articles/money/nsamint/nsamint.htm
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November 19, 2018, 10:38:57 AM
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Also depends on how many you bought. If you bought 5 coins from $600, you can wait till it hits $50k. That's a sensible move.

If you bought in three figures and you're still here why would you do anything now?


As a rule I ignore anything written in all caps. It's usually something written in a fit of rage by a person not burdened by an overabundance of schooling...

Anyone who uses the 'c' word - cuck - is a 100% guaranteed valueless cunt.
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November 19, 2018, 10:46:55 AM

https://i.4cdn.org/biz/1542620075636.png

What's your opinion on this?

I explained why Lighting is a centralized, permissioned ledger scam years ago that's identical to the current banking system in practice:

LN is an unworkable train wreck without putting all channel closings in the same common permissioned queue (meaning completely centralized).  The fact these systems are built around a finite block size means humans can easily attack that bottleneck by flooding it with channel closings.  Since it can be flooded, you're required to buffer them and either discard low payers or put them at the back of the line just like regular bitcoin mempool.

From that point, you either have to design as a hub and spoke model just like what Mike Hearn claimed, where the Lightning node is a bitcoin bank and everyone who uses it is their peon slaves to extract usury upon, or every lightning node broadcasts a shared queue with each other.  But due to the fact that people can try to flood the queue as mentioned earlier, each lightning node will have their own criteria for what is or isn't spam, or who is and isn't a terrorist that they will broadcast to other nodes (meaningly INSANELY PERMISSIONED, cartel coordinated, and usury based).  The nodes might also be incentivized NOT to broadcast and force a hub and spoke model for their own gain.

If a Lightning node constantly broadcasts flood bullshit to everyone, they will likely be blacklisted by other Lightning nodes (lightning banks, whatever you want to call them), so the entire system is based around things like trusted and untrusted members, subjective anti-spam filters, etc.  In other words, for Lightning to work at all, it would probably be the most permissioned centralized piece of garbage ever to exist.  No real difference from having an account at Bank of America, and ironcially, the govt will likely legislate who is and isn't allowed to run these Lightning nodes, meaning Bank of America or Goldman Sachs will run them.

At least this is my understanding of the problems one has to overcome to create such system.  The fact bitcoin is not decentralized and it's impossible to create a decentralized digital currency in the first place, also means anyone claiming Lightning is going to be "decentralized" is a complete idiot when it's built on top of bitcoin.

Do you actually know what LN is?  I'll tell you what it is.  LN is nothing more than establishing bitcoin banks on top of the blockchain.  All of the exact same regulation traditional banks have will be applied to them and bitcoin will be virtually identical to your current banking system.  The only reason it hasn't happened yet is because it's too difficult for them to play whack-a-mole with regulating miners, but the LN "nodes" aka banks are less ambiguous in nature and will be regulated to infinity just like any normal financial services provider or bank.  

The costs, compliance, and amount of lawyers needed will be so high only entities like JP Morgan and Goldman Sachs will run them.  This is how crony capitalism works.  You introduce regulation with compliance requirements and fees so high that only your existing monopoly can participate while all small competitors are eliminated.

Nevermind the fact LN doesn't function in a decentralized manner in the first place.  There is also ZERO incentive for LN nodes aka banks to broadcast transactions to external peers.  There is actually incentive for these bitcoin banks to FORCE a hub and spoke model or cartel collective in order to hold their users hostage for usury fees (just like regular banks do). There's also nothing that stops them from changing usage of bitcoin as settlement to ripple, US dollars, or anything else.
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November 19, 2018, 10:50:03 AM



What's your opinion on this?

 Contains a lot of misplaced commas and a familiar ring to it.
Is that you faketoshi?

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