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February 24, 2018, 12:33:03 AM
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Im scared Sad bullish or bearish?

You said "down to $6000 by February 1st week before prices return to the original consolidation stage at $14K by March 2nd week". Don't you have faith in the pump to $14K story?


This message came from darkwebforum. Dont know but its possible:

From the 15th January’ 2018, there have been rumors from forums in the dark web about a possibility of a slump, down to $6000 by February 1st week before prices return to the original consolidation stage at $14K by March 2nd week.

On January 5th, when Bitcoin prices were at $17,000, at a dark web forum which can be accessed through any anonymous browser (like Tor), a forum member by the name Cyberjourno, says: “Guys, there are big players in play, big institutional players who want to bring the price down to $7000, I know it seems impossible now but these guys handle the media and know how to control the market. For the coming couple of months, guys, stay safe, don’t be scared. Brace for FUD FUD FUD!”

On Jan 5th there were two other comments on multiple forums in the Russian and South Korean social sites that suggested a bigger market manipulation in play. Interpreted and translated versions of the comments read: “Waiting for US, South Korea, Indian and Thai markets to break negative stories by February, prices to stoop back to $5000. Big market players waiting to invest millions in Bitcoin and smaller crypto counterparts. It’s easy to guess, find the common corporate entity that controls media houses in these countries. Make your connection”
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Join Twitter and follow hundreds of "crypto specialists" available there. You'll get to know if it's bullish or bearish. Roll Eyes

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February 24, 2018, 01:01:03 AM

When the price is at $9975 and it goes up $25 I'm happy.

Another $300 up and I'm like...meh
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The way I see it is that with lower Bitcorn unit prices it will be easier to accumulate Bitcorns, since the same quantities will push smaller volumes.

My current goal is maximizing my Bitcorn holdings with no regard for USD valuations.

Ok.  The goal of accumulating bitcoin still likely subliminally accounts for dollar value, and assumes that dollar value will be increasing with time.

Sure, there may be some point in time that either we measure bitcoin's in bitcoin's... so I don't necessarily disagree with your mental framework to attempt to accumulate as many bitcoin as you can..,. even though subliminally, you are still recognizing bitcoins to be valuable because they continue to go up in value, whether measuring in terms of dollars, some other fiat, some other asset or measuring in terms of most things (partly because we expect that we are on an exponential s-curve that will make it difficult for any other asset to keep up with bitcoin in the longer term, unless it is also on some kind of exponential s-curve, as well - and almost all other assets are not on such exponential s-curve, even if they can fake it for the short term.


I fully expect altcoins to last not just 5 years, but for decades at bare minimum.

That is fair enough.. and they might also be like wak-a-mole and keep popping up in a different form after being wacked down.

Beyond that is difficult to estimate due to singularity type events being increasingly likely.

I still think that status quo institutions are going to keep battling the various trends, including the bitcoin trend.. though you are correct that some BIG thing(s) could happen too, without exactly knowing what that is (those are) going to be.

But either way, if Bitcorn went to $100k or even 1000k it would be much more difficult to increase your Bitcorn holdings by more than a few dozen Bitcorns without having to identify dozens of high quality altcorns. Meanwhile, in current markets it's very easy to gain a hundred or so extra Bitcorns within a span of a year by just throwing them around almost randomly.

I personally believe that it is not worth it to play around with alts with an intent of increasing bitcoin holdings.  But, if some folks are able to find decent systems to play with alts and increase their bitcoins, then the more power to them.. just careful not to be risking too much bitcoin in those kinds of endeavors.

I agree with you that the higher the BTC price, the more difficult in absolute terms to acquire larger quantities of bitcoin, so yeah, it was much easier to acquire decent quantities of BTC a bit over a year ago (and more solidly two years ago) when BTC prices were in the below $500 price range.  So, we cannot really get around valuing some of these bitcoin matters in terms of dollars, so I think that unless you already have a decent amount of bitcoin, it is much more difficult for "regular" folks to accumulate even 10 bitcoins, as compared with 1-2 years ago... so I am not sure where you are getting ideas that it would be easy to increase you bitcoin holdings even by adding some double digit values unless you already have acquired a decent amount of money, but I agree with your point that it is likely going to continue to be easier to accumulate BTC in absolute terms if you get started earlier, rather than waiting to see what it does and waiting to act later... The time remains now.

Regarding trading, you can really fuck your BTC accumulation strategy up if you are gambling too much with either alts or BTC with some formula that expects large returns.

I continue to think that I am doing really good with my BTC accumulation strategy, even though I am not really accumulating a whole hell of a lot.... Take this most recent dip from $19,666 to $5,920 and the BTC price ongoingly bouncing around at various price points in between.  At $19,666, I had a certain assessment of the BTC value and the dollar value of my total BTC holdings (and funds that are dedicated to my BTC portfolio), and yeah the drop and the bouncing around causes a lot of profits and accumulation of BTC, and I am able approximately project how much more valuable my total BTC portfolio is going to be when (or if) it returns to $19,666, and currently, I am roughly anticipating the value of my total BTC holdings (and related funds) will be between 5% and 10% more valuable than it was the first time around, and I feel really good about that.  I also am nearly certain that the allocation of the value, when (and assuming if) it reaches $19,666 the next time around will be weighted a bit more lopsided towards BTC, and that is what the UPs and DOWNs had caused to happen in my holdings as a kind of purposeful design of my system.

In other words, I don't think that I am making any kind of killing with my strategy, but it feels like a fairly rock-solid way to continue to relatively modestly rebalance my portfolio in the direction that I want and in a way that I consider to be on the lower end of the risk scale.



And while that's "just" a few hundred to few thousand grands right now, that would eventually be tens to hundreds of millions a decade or so from now as Bitcorn appreciates toward its true potential.

Certainly, we agree with this overall assessment regarding what has a decent likelihood of playing out in the longer term.


That's why I very much like seeing Bitcorn not exploding any more than it has right now.

Aren't we going to be prepared for an explosion upwards no matter what?  I mean if we already accumulated a lot, then we are already ready for upwards explosion, but at the same time, like you seem to be asserting, we can take advantage of the downside to accumulate more at "bargain prices"  hahahahahahaha.. .  I don't really mind either way and personally, I feel like I have accumulated enough, even though I don't mind going through some further trading to continue to accumulate BTC from my BTC holdings.  It's just that we don't really have any kind of choice anyhow because the price just might not be ready to go up.. and we just gotta wait it out, so may as well just continue to accumulate more BTC and take advantage of the ongoing information disparity.. because we know information that is not known by the general public about the value of bitcoin.. so in that regard, we are likely going to profit handsomely from our knowledge... and I am not trying to brag or to have high hopes or engage in wishful thinking because the fact of the matter is that there are so many fucking people out there, and even once in a while we see them participating in this thread, that do not have any fucking clue about what brings value to bitcoin and what differentiates bitcoin from other cryptos.-- even though on the surface, they are not dumb people, and they may even be way smarter than a lot of bitcoin HODLers in several ways while still not being able to recognize bitcoin's value.
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If I were a woman, I would run away from this thread ... and fast.


That's why you gotta grow some balls (figuratively), and stop being so sensitive to reasonable real world discussions.    Roll Eyes


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Pretty sure any woman worth her salt would either join in on these discussions or at the very least not mind. The ones that get offended are brats.

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I personally believe that it is not worth it to play around with alts with an intent of increasing bitcoin holdings.  But, if some folks are able to find decent systems to play with alts and increase their bitcoins, then the more power to them.. just careful not to be risking too much bitcoin in those kinds of endeavors.

Gotta agree with you there a hundred times. Every time I double my bitcoin with altcoins, I just half it again with more altcoins. That just keeps on happening, and I've been witnessing it for years now. Roll Eyes
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New fangled trading strategy update: Buys and sells $500 apart, a dash of mindfulness, and some whiskey.
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I think that you are saying the right thing... hopefully it will help you from panicking too much, especially if you are reluctant to meditate.... I would mostly suggest that you attempt to keep the sizes of your orders relatively small.. so the whole practice accomplishes relieving you of some stress, even if it does not make a lot of money.

In the last two weeks, I cut my order increments down from $1,000 to about $700 because the $1,000 increments were not filling enough to my liking, and I changed a couple other details in my system that I don't want to disclose here because it would likely overly complicate matters and cause too much confusion if I were to try to describe too many of my personal specifics.
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I think that you are saying the right thing... hopefully it will help you from panicking too much, especially if you are reluctant to meditate.... I would mostly suggest that you attempt to keep the sizes of your orders relatively small.. so the whole practice accomplishes relieving you of some stress, even if it does not make a lot of money.

In the last two weeks, I cut my order increments down from $1,000 to about $700 because the $1,000 increments were not filling enough to my liking, and I changed a couple other details in my system that I don't want to disclose here because it would likely overly complicate matters and cause too much confusion if I were to try to describe too many of my personal specifics.

My only qualm is my unwillingness to keep a more than trivial amount of monies on an exchange. Which makes the whole thing sort of moot. I guess.
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I personally believe that it is not worth it to play around with alts with an intent of increasing bitcoin holdings.  But, if some folks are able to find decent systems to play with alts and increase their bitcoins, then the more power to them.. just careful not to be risking too much bitcoin in those kinds of endeavors.

Gotta agree with you there a hundred times. Every time I double my bitcoin with altcoins, I just half it again with more altcoins. That just keeps on happening, and I've been witnessing it for years now. Roll Eyes


Now, you are trying to act as if you are smart, or something. 

You should be smart enough to realize that past performance does not indicate future results; however, if you have a system that is working for you, and it seems to work under a variety of market conditions, then you have something that you might want to share with others.

I do personally, try to share my strategies, to the extent that others are interested in discussing - however, sometimes, it takes a bit of time to describes what seems to work and what does not work.

Do you have anything in particular that you want to share that you believe might be good or repeatable, or you just want to keep your supposedly superb strategies private?
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New fangled trading strategy update: Buys and sells $500 apart, a dash of mindfulness, and some whiskey.
Let's do this thing. Cool


I think that you are saying the right thing... hopefully it will help you from panicking too much, especially if you are reluctant to meditate.... I would mostly suggest that you attempt to keep the sizes of your orders relatively small.. so the whole practice accomplishes relieving you of some stress, even if it does not make a lot of money.

In the last two weeks, I cut my order increments down from $1,000 to about $700 because the $1,000 increments were not filling enough to my liking, and I changed a couple other details in my system that I don't want to disclose here because it would likely overly complicate matters and cause too much confusion if I were to try to describe too many of my personal specifics.

My only qualm is my unwillingness to keep a more than trivial amount of monies on an exchange. Which makes the whole thing sort of moot. I guess.

I don't know what you mean by "trivial amount."  I used to keep a bit more than 50% of my BTC portfolio value on exchanges, and I really was not putting that value on the exchanges to use.  A lot of the value was just sitting there on the exchanges, just-in-case.   

After BTC prices went above $1k, and then prices kept going up from there, I began to realize that I likely don't really need to keep that much money on exchanges in order to accomplish my goals, and really the risk of keeping the value seemed to be going up a lot causing the worth of even previously considered "dust" to begin to seem like a lot of money (value).

In recent times, I am keeping around 20% of the total value on exchanges, and it is just the amount of money that I would need for the prices to go DOWN a lot (such as 80% from the top) or UP a lot (3x from our current price point), and likely I could keep lower value on the exchanges, but I think that I am more covered for very extreme prices changes, and I would not have to move the money at the last moment.  I did put enough BTC on exchanges to be prepared up to $35k BTC prices because we were moving UP so fast in December 2017 - but probably now, I could remove some of that BTC, perhaps and only prepare for $25k (but I do feel o.k. preparing for $35k, just in case).

So, you could have 10% to 20% of your BTC portfolio value on exchanges in order to prepare for UP and DOWN without having to put all of your value on exchanges.  Further, currently, I have my exchange value distributed across 4 exchanges.  Currently, I am having some ongoing issues with my coinbase account, so I still have 3 exchanges that I can work with until my coinbase matter is hopefully resolved (been a little over 2 weeks so far with those coinbase fucks).
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I personally believe that it is not worth it to play around with alts with an intent of increasing bitcoin holdings.  But, if some folks are able to find decent systems to play with alts and increase their bitcoins, then the more power to them.. just careful not to be risking too much bitcoin in those kinds of endeavors.

Gotta agree with you there a hundred times. Every time I double my bitcoin with altcoins, I just half it again with more altcoins. That just keeps on happening, and I've been witnessing it for years now. Roll Eyes


Now, you are trying to act as if you are smart, or something. 

You should be smart enough to realize that past performance does not indicate future results; however, if you have a system that is working for you, and it seems to work under a variety of market conditions, then you have something that you might want to share with others.

I do personally, try to share my strategies, to the extent that others are interested in discussing - however, sometimes, it takes a bit of time to describes what seems to work and what does not work.

Do you have anything in particular that you want to share that you believe might be good or repeatable, or you just want to keep your supposedly superb strategies private?

I've had enough of experience now, have lot to share from it, and I'll publish something interesting (like a guide) for new-comers soon on Steem or here. But everyone here might find my journey with crypto a bit interesting:

"You think you've been the most unfortunate guy in crypto? Well, read my story and think again!"

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