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Question: How much of your corn do you plan on cashing out in the next massive bull run?
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21-30% - 19 (14.1%)
31-40% - 7 (5.2%)
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100% - 11 (8.1%)
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February 20, 2018, 01:51:06 AM
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[19:12:24] · <ben_vulpes> https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.06038 << "on a subset of 3,759 contracts which we sampled for concrete validation and manual analysis, we reproduce real exploits at a true positive rate of 89%, yielding exploits for 3,686 contracts"
[19:20:00] · <shinohai> I'm sure with time they can get that number closer to 100% (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1785157)

If When later this year, someday Bitcoin does another 10x I will "retire" and devote all my time to exploit research on blockchain/smart contracts field. That's when I will start to have real fun.
Looking forward to your research in 2019.

haha, I wish. I know it is perfectly possible that we do have another 10x in 2018 but.... something makes me hard to believe I will be so lucky. Wouldnt even care to wait a few more years for that. Not even if that means 10 years.

ANyway, whenever that happens you have my word you will see some exploits on my name (responsible disclosure ofc).


Some specifics might be helpful here:

1) what do you consider 10x?  $200k BTC or $100k or some number in between?

2) what do you mean by retire, exactly?  Are you cashing out some of your coins in order to invest them into some kin of funded research project?

3) Are you targeting 10x because that provides you with some cushion in the event that BTC prices experience a 90% correction and remain stagnated for a significant period of time, reminiscent of 2014-2016?

4) I do think that any investment plan that relies upon an upsurge of BTC prices does also require planning for a prolonged downturn in prices, too... and probably a 90% correction and somewhat prolonged would be the extreme of such, but really you never know for sure... but seems prudent to have plans and preparations for such within the realm of foreseeable (based on history) possibilities.

I don't like to be very specific to avoid profiling (as if anyone would be interested in profiling me... call me paranoid). I will try though:

1) $100K would be ok. I think I have said I am just a double digit BTC holder. So, even if it has recently growed to some "significant" amount of money for me, I still need a 10x to be a really LIFE CHANGING amount.

Please take into account that I live in Spain, so I basically need only 1/4 the amount of money an american would need for the same lifestyle. Maybe even less.

2) By "retire" I mean locking enough to make sure I can cover the rest of my lifetime even if I don't ever again have any income. It doesn't mean I will really "retire", maybe on the contrary it's a possibility I would even "work" more...... but I would be doing it with absolutely no constrains. It's not that I have many constrains right now, or ever, as I have always work for myself (well... for my clients or my "projects") but knowing I am covered for good would be the real change for me.
No, I don't need to cash anything onto any project, just enough to fund me for good. My research doesn't need expensive tools... at least almost none that I don't already have.

Will I cash out everything if/when target is reached? NO. In that way I wouldn't really be locking ENOUGH but, I do work with probabilities.... Bitcoin is not the only thing that could "retire" me any moment. I would just cash a sustantial amount and bet on the rest on growing... I would have to have very bad luck if, afterwards, not only Bitcoin but all the rest "investments" turn its back on me. If that happened.... I can keep working any time as I have always done on my own terms (basically "as needed").

3) Not exactly. If I were to "retire" ONLY on Bitcoin I would need the full $100K per BTC to make sure I ave enough in case I live much longer than I expect. But as I said, it's not the only thing so I could risk not cashing it all but just a small percent (maybe 10%?) yearly. Only a complete failure of Bitcoin for more than a decade could have the potential of depleting my "cushion". I will accept some risk.... as I accept everyday that it could just be my last day. Risks management on its finest.

4) I don't expect Bitcoin to retire me. I just say that IF it would do a 10x from here, it would have the potential to retire me. Please note that it was "The last of the V8s" who fixed my original post and changed my *IF* from a "when... in 2018". I just don't expect to be so lucky. It will be very welcome though.

I hope that has covered all the questions without giving more information about me than I would be confident. Oh and I already have a nice home, fine car and am completely DEBT FREE (Not thanks to Bitcoin as I have never cashed out a single penny yet). And no children nor family to support. That makes my current needs very modest and easy to fullfill, even if for the rest of my lifetime (not there YET... unless I were to die in a decade or two).
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February 20, 2018, 01:55:53 AM

Please take into account that I live in Spain

I haven't heard much from Spain in the last several hundred years except for the movie REC (and REC 2) which was one of the best horror movies ever made (watch with subtitles if you can't hablar mexican instead of watching the worse US remake):

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YGJ_jPKOj1c
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February 20, 2018, 02:04:47 AM

stupid ETH anyway

this is getting expensive
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February 20, 2018, 02:08:03 AM

While speaking in front of the evil Jewish banking world govt entity, The Council on Foreign Relations, evil Jew Adam Schiff claims Russians are behind the 2nd amendment:

http://dailystormer.name/blood-sucking-kike-terrorist-adam-schiff-says-russians-are-behind-the-second-amendment/
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February 20, 2018, 02:10:17 AM

Been away a couple of days, the backlog of unread pages is overwhelming. What if we had been mooning already? I cringe.
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February 20, 2018, 02:13:21 AM

How are we not designed to work 24/7? That's what people were doing when they lived in the woods and that has changed only fairly recently as far as I'm aware.
Well, but we didn't live as long back then.

(hope I didn't mess up with the quote attribution)
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and confusing innocents who are not privy to the closed door shenanigans that took place.

A vanishingly small number. And completely inadvertent. If you're gonna get involved in crypto without doing your due diligence, you're gonna have a bad time. No matter what particular coin.

 for you to suggest that people are not(still) confused about this issue is ludicrous.

Are you seriously trying to claim that anyone that spent more than a Superbowl's worth of time looking into it cannot tell the difference between Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin Segwit?
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R0ach, do tell, why you aren't taking advantage of such opportunities if they don't come as a surprise. Even if you were to funnel your gains back into what you believe in (silver?).  Is it fear?

But the thing is, he probably is though. He's got a Steemit account and it's documented that he's funneling his proceeds to Bitfinex to trade.  Roll Eyes

He's just a fkn troll trader. Probably doesn't even give a shit about silver, he's just trying to a create a bullshit troll persona on this WO thread.
Yep, thanks for pointing that out. I'm surprised I hadn't considered this as much myself.  It's interesting that he shows up when the posts start to get bullish or we go further down the rabbit hole. So... r0ach posts = bullish  Wink
 
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and confusing innocents who are not privy to the closed door shenanigans that took place.

A vanishingly small number. And completely inadvertent. If you're gonna get involved in crypto without doing your due diligence, you're gonna have a bad time. No matter what particular coin.

 for you to suggest that people are not(still) confused about this issue is ludicrous.

Are you seriously trying to claim that anyone that spent more than a Superbowl's worth of time looking into it cannot tell the difference between Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin Segwit?
You're either highly naive, or dishonest to say the least and I think you're smart enough not to fall into the former category. I'm pretty sure that everybody on this thread knows how the masses react to branding and aggressive marketing.
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February 20, 2018, 02:26:54 AM

Thank you, Ms. or Mr. Whale: https://www.marketwatch.com/story/anonymous-trader-buys-400-million-of-bitcoin-2018-02-16

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February 20, 2018, 02:29:12 AM

I guess part of it, I refuse to be the sexual property of another, so it would be pretty messed up for me to demand it the other way.
I see things the same way.

However, most of the women I had deals with don't care a bit about being free (as in "not sexual property"). They just care about getting the exclusive rights, and are ready to give up their sexual freedom for it - at least in the relationship negotiation phase. There might be truth in the evolutionary explications for this kind of behavior.
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February 20, 2018, 02:30:13 AM

[19:12:24] · <ben_vulpes> https://arxiv.org/abs/1802.06038 << "on a subset of 3,759 contracts which we sampled for concrete validation and manual analysis, we reproduce real exploits at a true positive rate of 89%, yielding exploits for 3,686 contracts"
[19:20:00] · <shinohai> I'm sure with time they can get that number closer to 100% (http://btcbase.org/log/2018-02-19#1785157)

If someday Bitcoin does another 10x I will "retire" and devote all my time to exploit research on blockchain/smart contracts field. That's when I will start to have real fun.

Someone got to teach the shitcoiners why "ol' stupid bitcorn" isn't turing complete. Pain is a great way to learn Grin (makes the lessions stick)

Turing complete is ok.... on SIDECHAINS. Main layer has to be simple and secure.

Exactly.

edit: Someone knows when rootstock is supposed to go live / be widely available?

Rootstock had a testnet up for a while in 2017. The mainnet went live in January on the birthday of the Bitcoin genesis block. Mainnet is still in beta which means that they are whitelisting the projects that are running on it (this probably means only revealing the federation address to a few projects that are helping to debug). They said this will be opened up to everyone in a few months.
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Are you seriously trying to claim that anyone that spent more than a Superbowl's worth of time looking into it cannot tell the difference between Bitcoin Cash and Bitcoin Segwit?

Yes..that is exactly what I am claiming, because most mortals wandering around this earth dont have time to look into domain names and ownership rights and what hand is beneath what sock at any given moment. They just want their shit to work and be safe and simple to use. Roger Ver, Jihan Wu and the rest of the "BCash" crew are not stupid. I for one have never claimed that. These are smart individuals with deep pockets and influence with people who have even deeper pockets. The only reason they have gotten to where they are at is they have better business acumen than Bitcoin Core had. And I stress this last point because the tide has turned. Old money has decided..and they have decided what old money always does..take the safe sure route...and that is Bitcoin.
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February 20, 2018, 02:43:38 AM

On the equity thing on the blockchain I think colored coins could work out easily, it's just an entry on a ledger just as good as an entry in some Wall Street database or a line in a book somewhere. The US folks would want to limit who can trade them though, I delved into the legality of Securities far too deeply this past year and the US has very stringent rules (which the rest of the world tends to follow) on whom can or cannot invest.

I am starting to think about the possibilities when combining colored coins and Lightning Network. Perhaps some super easy way of moving your equity, buying/selling on the cheap, perhaps some sort of simple atomic swap from bitcoin to smaller quantity bitcoin (colored coin). I wonder also about the lowest amount of satoshis that could represent the smallest quantity of an equity and still be able to send that over the network.

It can probably be done easier via Rootstock but I'm still trying to track down how easy it is for a user to go from bitcoin to a token on the RSK blockchain.
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First a strange article https://translate.google.co.uk/translate?hl=en&sl=nl&tl=en&u=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ftm.nl%2Fartikelen%2Fing-tether-miljardenfraude-cryptomunten%3Fshare%3D1
Money trail billions fraud with crypto coins leads to ING

Then questions to the minister
https://www.tweedekamer.nl/kamerstukken/kamervragen/detail?id=2018Z02856&did=2018D05823
1 Are you familiar with the article 'Geldspoor billions fraud with crypto coins leads to ING'?
2 What is your image of Tether and his financial position?
3 Why did the "Taiwanese banks" terminate the relationship with Tether at the time? What normally happens to the balances on the accounts in such a case?
4 What are the rules for ING regarding accepting a customer who has been sent elsewhere? Do you agree that in a case like Tether all alarm bells should go off? Why did ING proceed to acceptance of Tether?
5 To what extent can ING consciously contribute to a crime if Tether is indeed guilty of fraud or another crime?
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probably just fud/wrong, right?
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February 20, 2018, 02:46:50 AM

But the thing is, he probably is though. He's got a Steemit account and it's documented that he's funneling his proceeds to Bitfinex to trade.  Roll Eyes

He's just a fkn troll trader. Probably doesn't even give a shit about silver, he's just trying to a create a bullshit troll persona on this WO thread.

I wouldn't trade on Bitfinex using your money, let alone my own.  The #1 rule of trading is to avoid a sizeable drawdown to wipe out your base, and that's definitely occurring on Bitfinex at some point soon.  As for metals, they're the only asset on earth that's not a part of the everything bubble and at historical lows compared to all other metrics like US debt, stocks, etc, making them the only asymmetric trade around.  

Metals had over a 90% correlation with US debt levels until they rigged interest rates low to try and facilitate NIRP/ZIRP (which is a failure anyway).  They can only keep them at this level for so long.  It's 100% invevitable gold will go to around $2500 in current purchasing power, with silver going to something like a 30:1 ratio of that in the bull run to get there ($75-85) in the near future.  If 1970's inflation occurrs, and it probably will because they have to try and debase the debt or it implodes, metals will get an additional +10x off that just like last time (probably more since inflation would likely be even higher when it eventually comes).

Then you have factors like the death of the petrodollar or them needing to revalue metals to extinguish the unserviceable debt if they can't do it with inflation, which will also give you retarded profits.  There's just no good investment on the planet right now except metals.  Bitcoin has zero fundamentals and thus zero value because they're all designed to centralize permissioned ledgers - invalidating any value prospect since it's value is supposed to be "decentralization".
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February 20, 2018, 02:49:25 AM
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About cucks.

The word "cuck" has nothing to do with polyamorism. I think it denotes males who get excited when they see their woman engage in sex with other men.

I've known two such guys who wanted me to get it on with their lady. One was embarrassingly insistent. This guy was hoping to step in and have a threesome actually. I had to turn him down in a cold, unfriendly manner. The other guy was shy bordering on ashamed, and sent his woman to discuss the matter. I turned that down too, but gently. I later talked alone to the lady (who was my ex), and I suggested the two of us could make a tape for him. We met in private, but the event wasn't taped in the end  Grin

The use of "cuck" as an insult statistically indicates one or more of the following: sexual insecureness, racism, moderate right wing conservatism, fascism, ignorance, protracted adolescence.
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Sounds legit to me:

"They have used tether to keep the bitcoin course artificially high and so more suckers withdraw the game."

Wouldn't want any retarded goyim buying real money like silver or gold when Comex is already in a state of technical default forwarding EFP contracts to London.  Let's try to get them to buy imaginary, valueless tokens instead!
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February 20, 2018, 02:55:07 AM

I don't know if moderators can edit (rather than delete) posts, but it would be nice to go through all of jbreher's contributions - some of which raise valid points and contain factually correct, useful information - and

s/Bitcoin Segwit/Bitcoin/g
s/Bitcoin Cash/BCash/g

with a FTFY note in the end, for correctness and clarity.
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February 20, 2018, 02:57:52 AM

Many many words...
+10 WOsMerits   Kiss

Somewhere back we where having a delightful conversation...its buried and half forgotten.  
*Hugs*   ....moving forward.

Ditto...

It's like nothing happened, until we get into another BIG HUGE fight, and then at that time, any kind of historical (or hysterical) remnant, whether true or not, will become fair ammunition.  

Projecting our future:

Stap. You're supposed to hate each other for having differences in opinion. Have you learned nothing from politics?

Sometimes it does not matter.  Just want to vent.
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