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February 19, 2018, 11:00:49 PM
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This is ridiculous. The concept of the "longest chain" only has a meaning considering the same difficulty. When you change that (at that point we are talking about a completely different thing longest or not) you can easily get a longer chain with ANY PoW you want. That's exactly what Bcash did, and now it doesn't matter how long they get, because they are using a lower diffculty and... a smaller accumulated proof of work.

It's obvious that Satoshi thought about all this when he repeated the definition several times, including: "The longest chain which has the greatest proof-of-work effort invested in it" in section 4.

He had hard-forks in consideration, so the only thing that he thought of worthy differentiating between forks is what he stated above. There's no other way to be sure which chain is Bitcoin.

Satoshi also envisioned that miners would attack the contentious fork with the shortest chain and least PoW and kill it off. But that didn't happen. Because he didn't anticipate that mega miners would contentiously fork and collude to keep said fork alive (along side the main chain), and for selfish or malicious reasons. And then brokers and exchanges decide to help keep it alive as well.

Once this happened, all of the dogma of Satoshi's vision in his whitepaper got nullified. All bets are off, Katie bar the door, the end users now have the power to decide what is Bitcoin. Mega miners have fucked themselves as potential bad actors in the system. Brokers and exchanges have also now made themselves suspect.
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February 19, 2018, 11:02:52 PM

Can we go back to arguing about child support? 

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February 19, 2018, 11:03:28 PM

This is ridiculous. The concept of the "longest chain" only has a meaning considering the same difficulty. When you change that (at that point we are talking about a completely different thing longest or not) you can easily get a longer chain with ANY PoW you want. That's exactly what Bcash did, and now it doesn't matter how long they get, because they are using a lower diffculty and... a smaller accumulated proof of work.

It's obvious that Satoshi thought about all this when he repeated the definition several times, including: "The longest chain which has the greatest proof-of-work effort invested in it" in section 4.

He had hard-forks in consideration, so the only thing that he thought of worthy differentiating between forks is what he stated above. There's no other way to be sure which chain is Bitcoin.

Satoshi also envisioned that miners would attack the contentious fork with the shortest chain and least PoW and kill it off. But that didn't happen. Because he didn't anticipate that miners would contentiously fork and collude to keep said fork alive (along side the main chain), and for selfish or malicious reasons.

Once this happened, all of the dogma of Satoshi's vision in his whitepaper got nullified. All bets are off, Katie bar the door, the end users now have the power to decide what is Bitcoin. Mega miners have fucked themselves as potential bad actors in the system.
I'd personally go with any other altcorn before I'd pick up BCash if BTC magically disappeared over night.
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February 19, 2018, 11:04:04 PM

Can we go back to arguing about child support?  
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in some earlier posts on this thread about the number of cases where the father is not the biological father of the child there were extraordinary numbers quoted.

It is around 1.8% in new Zealand and likely to be close to that in many countries -  amuch lower percenatge than other quoted but still a fairly large number when you count them in groups eg children currently 0-15.

Under some circumstances fathers who find out are entitled to refunds of child support/custody payments.

https://www.stuff.co.nz/life-style/parenting/93634977/Sex-lies-and-a-baby-When-dads-discover-they-aren-t-the-father-after-all
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February 19, 2018, 11:05:42 PM

I'd personally go with any other altcorn before I'd pick up BCash if BTC magically disappeared over night.

Same. Or I'd just sell everything and consider the grand experiment a complete failure.
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February 19, 2018, 11:07:29 PM

I'd personally go with any other altcorn before I'd pick up BCash if BTC magically disappeared over night.

Same. Or I'd just sell everything and consider the grand experiment a complete failure.
The latter would depend on the overall situation for me. I'm not going to stop investing at any point in my life, so the only way I'd stop being involved with cryptocorns would be if they disappeared or collectively turned into BCash.
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February 19, 2018, 11:07:53 PM

I'd personally go with any other altcorn before I'd pick up BCash if BTC magically disappeared over night.

Same. Or I'd just sell everything and consider the grand experiment a complete failure.
Probably that last one. Been a profitable venture for me, even if it ended today.
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February 19, 2018, 11:15:23 PM

Shares on a public blockchain are going to be a thing. Real shares.  Like Apple and Amazon and even Berkshire Hathaway.  Not this pretend kindergarten shit we have had so far.

But Bitcoin needs a way to record and transfer these shares.  Like colored coins.  There are a bunch of contenders for which public blockchain will win.  It will not be Ripple or Stellar. ETH is the obvious threat but they have their own problems right now.  

Do you mean all the ICO's and erc20 stuff from basically 2017?

Yes.

The legislation to support the changes is coming. It will start in the smaller, more agile countries and spread into places like the US.

The NYSE will be on a public blockchain, hopefully Bitcoin, within 10 years.
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February 19, 2018, 11:17:24 PM

Oh, surprise surprise, the single entity (that's either a Chinese scammer, some bankers at Goldman Sachs, or the US govt) operating on Bitfinex that's rigged the price upwards ever since $200 is now trying to paint the tape upwards again.
R0ach, do tell, why you aren't taking advantage of such opportunities if they don't come as a surprise. Even if you were to funnel your gains back into what you believe in (silver?).  Is it fear?

BTW..  surprise surprise, gold and silver haven't done shit again.  Roll Eyes  Sorry, couldn't resist  Grin

Why would you help the bankers by promoting a designed to centralize, non-fungible, permissioned ledger, cashless society slave system?  The only thing the bankers are scared of is people using physical metals as money.
They're obviously not scared of cryptocurrency whatsoever when evil Jews like Ben Bernanke and Larry Summers promote it.  They want to ban cash and put everyone into a digital prison...and you're helping them do it!  Fuck off to all the little bugmen that support non-fungible, permissioned ledger digital prison over the actual banker cryptonite - physical silver.

There's your future by worshipping fake digital money over constitutional silver:

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February 19, 2018, 11:18:35 PM

Shares on a public blockchain are going to be a thing. Real shares.  Like Apple and Amazon and even Berkshire Hathaway.  Not this pretend kindergarten shit we have had so far.

But Bitcoin needs a way to record and transfer these shares.  Like colored coins.  There are a bunch of contenders for which public blockchain will win.  It will not be Ripple or Stellar. ETH is the obvious threat but they have their own problems right now.  

Do you mean all the ICO's and erc20 stuff from basically 2017?

Yes.

The legislation to support the changes is coming. It will start in the smaller, more agile countries and spread into places like the US.

Problem is that even if they wanted to meant those tokens to be shares that would make the SEC involved. So, currently, ALL those are just useless tokens with no representation of ownership (of the ICO'ed project).
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February 19, 2018, 11:19:51 PM

Shares on a public blockchain are going to be a thing. Real shares.  Like Apple and Amazon and even Berkshire Hathaway.  Not this pretend kindergarten shit we have had so far.

But Bitcoin needs a way to record and transfer these shares.  Like colored coins.  There are a bunch of contenders for which public blockchain will win.  It will not be Ripple or Stellar. ETH is the obvious threat but they have their own problems right now.  

Do you mean all the ICO's and erc20 stuff from basically 2017?

Yes.

The legislation to support the changes is coming. It will start in the smaller, more agile countries and spread into places like the US.

Problem is that even if they wanted to meant those tokens to be shares that would make the SEC involved. So, currently, those just useless tokens with no representation of ownership.

The SEC will be involved and will bless it. It will all be fully legit. 
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February 19, 2018, 11:23:03 PM

Shares on a public blockchain are going to be a thing. Real shares.  Like Apple and Amazon and even Berkshire Hathaway.  Not this pretend kindergarten shit we have had so far.

But Bitcoin needs a way to record and transfer these shares.  Like colored coins.  There are a bunch of contenders for which public blockchain will win.  It will not be Ripple or Stellar. ETH is the obvious threat but they have their own problems right now.  

Do you mean all the ICO's and erc20 stuff from basically 2017?

Yes.

The legislation to support the changes is coming. It will start in the smaller, more agile countries and spread into places like the US.

Problem is that even if they wanted to meant those tokens to be shares that would make the SEC involved. So, currently, those just useless tokens with no representation of ownership.

The SEC will be involved and will bless it. It will all be fully legit. 

Well, maybe (a big maybe) in 10 years as you say. I doubt it is even a possibility sooner. I wish I am wrong, as that would probably make me more than "rich enough".... But I just can't see it.
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February 19, 2018, 11:26:14 PM

Read the white paper of the Gibraltar Blockchain Exchange.  Ignore the bit about the GBX and focus on the plans for the Gibraltar Stock Exchange (GSE) to list fully regulated securities on the blockchain. That’s where the real action is.
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February 19, 2018, 11:29:25 PM

Shares on a public blockchain are going to be a thing. Real shares.  Like Apple and Amazon and even Berkshire Hathaway.  Not this pretend kindergarten shit we have had so far.

But Bitcoin needs a way to record and transfer these shares.  Like colored coins.  There are a bunch of contenders for which public blockchain will win.  It will not be Ripple or Stellar. ETH is the obvious threat but they have their own problems right now.  

Do you mean all the ICO's and erc20 stuff from basically 2017?

Yes.

The legislation to support the changes is coming. It will start in the smaller, more agile countries and spread into places like the US.

The NYSE will be on a public blockchain, hopefully Bitcoin, within 10 years.

Oh good. They were hopeless

Yes I saw that as you kinda said earlier Gibraltar has already legislated for it.

I will take a contrarian view: that the NYSE and most other such staples of finance will have long ceased to exist by then. Disruption will be a frightening epic.
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February 19, 2018, 11:30:27 PM

It seems like every time one of the US regulatory bodies gets an opportunity to talk about the crypto space, it is positive. It makes you wonder why they are so supportive?

Now, law enforcement is a different story. Individual officers are just trying to get awards and medals for arresting people. Whenever there is a gray area, there is an opportunity for an inventive law enforcement officer to make a move to better their career standing. That isn't necessarily in line with the government's desires.

Why is the US Government so supportive?
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February 19, 2018, 11:31:00 PM

He is not here to learn, he is only here to troll.

Neither. I am here to illuminate my point of view.


If you could at least stay somewhat on topic, instead of pumping hostile and misinformed nonsense about an altcoin, then at least some of your views might be somewhat tolerable and even helpful to others rather than just a means to deceive with spin bullshit nonsense that has already been gone over a zillion times (maybe I am exaggerating a bit?) and no one except for noobs or the gullible seems to be persuaded by your phoney baloney except perhaps you, PeterR,  Roger Ver, Jihan Wu, and a small number of irrelevant others - and even though you put on some good spin, probably you are not even dumb enough to believe that Bcrap.  Roger dat?
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February 19, 2018, 11:33:54 PM

It seems like every time one of the US regulatory bodies gets an opportunity to talk about the crypto space, it is positive. It makes you wonder why they are so supportive?

Now, law enforcement is a different story. Individual officers are just trying to get awards and medals for arresting people. Whenever there is a gray area, there is an opportunity for an inventive law enforcement officer to make a move to better their career standing. That isn't necessarily in line with the government's desires.

Why is the US Government so supportive?
They're supportive of 'the crypto space', of 'blockchain' and other distractions, but they admit there's nothing they can do about bitcoin.
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February 19, 2018, 11:38:19 PM

It seems like every time one of the US regulatory bodies gets an opportunity to talk about the crypto space, it is positive. It makes you wonder why they are so supportive?

Now, law enforcement is a different story. Individual officers are just trying to get awards and medals for arresting people. Whenever there is a gray area, there is an opportunity for an inventive law enforcement officer to make a move to better their career standing. That isn't necessarily in line with the government's desires.

Why is the US Government so supportive?
They're supportive of 'the crypto space', of 'blockchain' and other distractions, but they admit there's nothing they can do about bitcoin.
The ECB admitted this a while back already as well. I was expecting more of a fight. What else could they possibly (try to) do after essentially admitting that they are powerless?
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February 19, 2018, 11:38:38 PM

It seems like every time one of the US regulatory bodies gets an opportunity to talk about the crypto space, it is positive. It makes you wonder why they are so supportive?

Why is the US Government so supportive?

Because the Jews want to ban cash and put you in a non-fungible, cashless society slave system, duh.  Ignore the propaganda from all the cucks in this thread like "last of the v8's" that want to sell their souls for a couple dollars of profit just like Judas and doom humanity to perma-Orwellian nightmare in the end.  These people are the lowest of lifeforms that exist.
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February 19, 2018, 11:41:01 PM

Get over the rage roach. Nobody likes incoherent assholes. Work on solutions. And basic human socializing.
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