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February 19, 2018, 09:32:27 PM

Elwar:  can you create colored coins or ERC-20 style tokens?

Colored coins might be possible but a smart contract would still be required. I wouldn't use an ethereum token because I don't want to go down that path and confuse users with ethereums.


Great.  Let me explain myself.  Global equity markets are going to slowly transition onto public blockchains.  It’s going to start this year.  We need to be able to offer equity instruments (eg shares) on Bitcoin or a side chain or second layer. If we don’t, another public blockchain will fill the hole.

The Gibraltar Stock Exchange will probably be the first to offer regulated securities on a public blockchain. Others will follow quickly.  Eventually LSE, NYSE etc will see the writing on the wall.
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February 19, 2018, 09:40:11 PM

Bitcoin is up 4.5% today
GBTC is down 4.72% today, shrinking that premium (by 10% in one day).

Interesting.

Any recent ETF news perhaps?
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February 19, 2018, 09:47:44 PM
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Bitcoin.com is not a scam, it is a URL. What is scammy about that? Further, in what way does the existence of such make me a scammer?

jbreher, just stop it.

By definition in the Whitepaper Bitcoin is the chain with greatest accumulated PoW. Any defense of Ver's scamming attempt with the site that carries Bitcoin + ".com" in the URL to confuse the newbies in mixing up BTC and BCash is just insulting the intelligence of everyone here. You may pretend it's not obvious scam to you, but nobody believes you. Your posts show enough intelligence that you can not be that naive, you are either trolling or have some agenda with Roger, both very irritating. Don't turn yourself into a laughing stock light that silver fetishists whom no one believes he has no agenda, but spreads metal propaganda here out of his true love for our well being.
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February 19, 2018, 09:59:01 PM

Bitcoin.com is not a scam, it is a URL. What is scammy about that? Further, in what way does the existence of such make me a scammer?

jbreher, just stop it.

By definition in the Whitepaper Bitcoin is the chain with greatest accumulated PoW.
I disagree. It is the longest valid chain.  What is valid is up to the collective of users, and different users can have different preferences. Luckily, there is a clear leader in terms of number of users and market cap. However, if bitcoin (core) and bitcoin cash had an equal amount of supporters, we might have a hard time determining which one would be named bitcoin.
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February 19, 2018, 10:04:04 PM

Bitcoin.com is not a scam, it is a URL. What is scammy about that? Further, in what way does the existence of such make me a scammer?

jbreher, just stop it.

By definition in the Whitepaper Bitcoin is the chain with greatest accumulated PoW.
I disagree. It is the longest valid chain.  What is valid is up to the collective of users, and different users can have different preferences. Luckily, there is a clear leader in terms of number of users and market cap. However, if bitcoin (core) and bitcoin cash had an equal amount of supporters, we might have a hard time determining which one would be named bitcoin.
The one that supports pre-fork coins. This is not difficult.
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February 19, 2018, 10:04:07 PM

Bitcoin.com is not a scam, it is a URL. What is scammy about that? Further, in what way does the existence of such make me a scammer?

jbreher, just stop it.

By definition in the Whitepaper Bitcoin is the chain with greatest accumulated PoW.
I disagree.

Bitcoin White paper, first paragraph, Abstract:

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Abstract. ..., accepting the longest proof-of-work chain as proof of what happened while they were gone.

Source: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

I don't get how can you disagree with the definition?

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The majority decision is represented by the longest chain, which has the greatest proof-of-work effort invested in it.

If this isn't proof that using the word "Bitcoin" for anything other then BTC is a scam, I don't know what is.
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February 19, 2018, 10:07:02 PM

Bitcoin.com is not a scam, it is a URL. What is scammy about that? Further, in what way does the existence of such make me a scammer?

jbreher, just stop it.

By definition in the Whitepaper Bitcoin is the chain with greatest accumulated PoW.
I disagree.

Bitcoin White paper, first paragraph, Abstract:

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Abstract. ..., accepting the longest proof-of-work chain as proof of what happened while they were gone.

Source: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

I don't get how can you disagree with the definition?
First of all, I don't read the white paper as gospel.  But even if you do, also in abstract: "As long as a majority of CPU power is controlled by nodes that are not cooperating to attack the network,  they'll  generate the  longest  chain  and  outpace attackers." Therefore the abstract itself already says that the longest chain rule is conditional.
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February 19, 2018, 10:11:36 PM

Bitcoin.com is not a scam, it is a URL. What is scammy about that? Further, in what way does the existence of such make me a scammer?

jbreher, just stop it.

By definition in the Whitepaper Bitcoin is the chain with greatest accumulated PoW.
I disagree.

Bitcoin White paper, first paragraph, Abstract:

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Abstract. ..., accepting the longest proof-of-work chain as proof of what happened while they were gone.

Source: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

I don't get how can you disagree with the definition?
First of all, I don't read the white paper as gospel.  But even if you do, also in abstract: "As long as a majority of CPU power is controlled by nodes that are not cooperating to attack the network,  they'll  generate the  longest  chain  and  outpace attackers." Therefore the abstract itself already says that the longest chain rule is conditional.

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Section 4. is even more explicit:
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The majority decision is represented by the longest chain, which has the greatest proof-of-work effort invested in it.

If this isn't proof that using the word "Bitcoin" for anything other then BTC is a scam, I don't know what is.

It's not "gospel", it's definition. You can define other things yourself, but give Satoshi Nakamoto the right to define what Bitcion is.
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February 19, 2018, 10:14:48 PM

This is ridiculous. The concept of the "longest chain" only has a meaning considering the same difficulty. When you change that (at that point we are talking about a completely different thing longest or not) you can easily get a longer chain with ANY PoW you want. That's exactly what Bcash did, and now it doesn't matter how long they get, because they are using a lower diffculty and... a smaller accumulated proof of work.
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February 19, 2018, 10:16:25 PM

Bitcoin.com is not a scam, it is a URL. What is scammy about that? Further, in what way does the existence of such make me a scammer?

jbreher, just stop it.

By definition in the Whitepaper Bitcoin is the chain with greatest accumulated PoW.
I disagree.

Bitcoin White paper, first paragraph, Abstract:

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Abstract. ..., accepting the longest proof-of-work chain as proof of what happened while they were gone.

Source: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

I don't get how can you disagree with the definition?
First of all, I don't read the white paper as gospel.  But even if you do, also in abstract: "As long as a majority of CPU power is controlled by nodes that are not cooperating to attack the network,  they'll  generate the  longest  chain  and  outpace attackers." Therefore the abstract itself already says that the longest chain rule is conditional.

Edit from above:
Section 4. is even more explicit:
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The majority decision is represented by the longest chain, which has the greatest proof-of-work effort invested in it.

If this isn't proof that using the word "Bitcoin" for anything other then BTC is a scam, I don't know what is.

It's not "gospel", it's definition. You can define other things yourself, but give Satoshi Nakamoto the right to define what Bitcion is.
I would bet that the majority of Core devs disagree with your definition, as would most users if push came to shove (if miners went a different direction from user needs) but hey, I'll try not to derail the thread for 2 nights in a row, so I'll quit this discussion.
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February 19, 2018, 10:19:11 PM

This is ridiculous. The concept of the "longest chain" only has a meaning considering the same difficulty. When you change that (at that point we are talking about a completely different thing longest or not) you can easily get a longer chain with ANY PoW you want. That's exactly what Bcash did, and now it doesn't matter how long they get, because they are using a lower diffculty and... a smaller accumulated proof of work.
That is what proof of work means. The amount of processing power put into it.
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Bitcoin.com is not a scam, it is a URL. What is scammy about that? Further, in what way does the existence of such make me a scammer?

jbreher, just stop it.

By definition in the Whitepaper Bitcoin is the chain with greatest accumulated PoW.
I disagree.

Bitcoin White paper, first paragraph, Abstract:

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Abstract. ..., accepting the longest proof-of-work chain as proof of what happened while they were gone.

Source: https://bitcoin.org/bitcoin.pdf

I don't get how can you disagree with the definition?
First of all, I don't read the white paper as gospel.  But even if you do, also in abstract: "As long as a majority of CPU power is controlled by nodes that are not cooperating to attack the network,  they'll  generate the  longest  chain  and  outpace attackers." Therefore the abstract itself already says that the longest chain rule is conditional.

Edit from above:
Section 4. is even more explicit:
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The majority decision is represented by the longest chain, which has the greatest proof-of-work effort invested in it.

If this isn't proof that using the word "Bitcoin" for anything other then BTC is a scam, I don't know what is.

It's not "gospel", it's definition. You can define other things yourself, but give Satoshi Nakamoto the right to define what Bitcion is.
I would bet that the majority of Core devs disagree with your definition, as would most users if push came to shove (if miners went a different direction from user needs) but hey, I'll try not to derail the thread for 2 nights in a row, so I'll quit this discussion.
It doesn't matter who disagrees. The inventor defines what his creation is. If other people change it, then it is something else.
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February 19, 2018, 10:20:52 PM

Can we go back to arguing about child support?  
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Can we go back to arguing about child support?  
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February 19, 2018, 10:21:41 PM

This is ridiculous. The concept of the "longest chain" only has a meaning considering the same difficulty. When you change that (at that point we are talking about a completely different thing longest or not) you can easily get a longer chain with ANY PoW you want. That's exactly what Bcash did, and now it doesn't matter how long they get, because they are using a lower diffculty and... a smaller accumulated proof of work.

It's obvious that Satoshi thought about all this when he repeated the definition several times, including: "The longest chain which has the greatest proof-of-work effort invested in it" in section 4.

He had hard-forks in consideration, so the only thing that he thought of worthy differentiating between forks is what he stated above. There's no other way to be sure which chain is Bitcoin.
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Can we go back to arguing about child support?  
Annoying but necessary. Alimony, on the other hand...
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Can we go back to arguing about child support?  

As long as they are YOUR childs OR ones you FREELY AND CONCIOUSLY opt to support, everything is ok Smiley
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Elwar:  can you create colored coins or ERC-20 style tokens?

Colored coins might be possible but a smart contract would still be required. I wouldn't use an ethereum token because I don't want to go down that path and confuse users with ethereums.


Great.  Let me explain myself.  Global equity markets are going to slowly transition onto public blockchains.  It’s going to start this year.  We need to be able to offer equity instruments (eg shares) on Bitcoin or a side chain or second layer. If we don’t, another public blockchain will fill the hole.

The Gibraltar Stock Exchange will probably be the first to offer regulated securities on a public blockchain. Others will follow quickly.  Eventually LSE, NYSE etc will see the writing on the wall.
I don't follow. Suddenly altcoins are a thing? They are so easy to rekt. And the current contenders are full of vulnerabilities.
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Shares on a public blockchain are going to be a thing. Real shares.  Like Apple and Amazon and even Berkshire Hathaway.  Not this pretend kindergarten shit we have had so far.

But Bitcoin needs a way to record and transfer these shares.  Like colored coins.  There are a bunch of contenders for which public blockchain will win.  It will not be Ripple or Stellar. ETH is the obvious threat but they have their own problems right now. 
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