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[cAPSLOCK]

More Bcash double spendings  

https://doublespend.cash/

jbreher the BCash lover wants to go on and on about how Bitcoin fungibility is somehow "compromised" with SegWit.

But on this BCash compromise (ie. complete failure)? Dead silence. Crickets.

Complete failure? Not at all. For those transactions worth waiting for, you can wait for block inclusion. It is an option that BTC does not give you.

BTC gives you the option to use Layer 2.
BCH give you the option to risk being ripped off.

[cAPSLOCK]

Why wouldn't you pay for "The Soundtrack to Your Lives^tm"? He's even gonna let you get rid of some of your Segwit coin.

Haha. Wrong band, but otherwise on target. Touche'!

Thank you... but not to worry... that's as far as it goes here... a little too far really.

[mymenace]

So what do we think about the coming american space marines?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JuAVt-hfl90

They will be trained to... seize Falcons, invade, um, the ISS and nuke planet earth from there in order to colonize it? Not sure, sounds like fun.

Like the fat british tea drinker said, control of space means control of the planet. What's anyone gonna do against a rod from god slamming into an airbase? Or a hundred of them. Those things are cheap for what they do.

A prophecy misread

Is the space program looking outwards?

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phobos_monolith


Neil Armstrong said we would question more when the public knew of phobos

[Last of the V8s]

[4rt3m]

Spend one and spend another one for free!

[El duderino_]

Spend one and spend another one for free!

where is room for 1 there is room for 2 in BCASH be quick and join the spending

[JayJuanGee]

TBDR <<-- Too Big Didn't Read

I'm going to make up a new acronym for "did not read word too big" I'm sick of googling a word if it's only used to make you look intelligent.

Maybe, once in a while, people use a BIG word just to attempt to look smarter - but frequently, there is just BAD word choice going on.  Surely, there are also trolls out there, who engage in all kinds of disingenuous tactics to divert from the topic, but in the end, I believe that you are overstating the pretentiousness phenomenon.. and describing something that largely does not exist.  Lots of small brained peeps accused college educated folks of this, and some of those people fail and refuse to educate themselves while accusing the other person of pretending.

On the other hand, I will back track a little bit and say to you that I do recognize a phenomenon of ICO and/or Alt coin pumpers and bitcoin bashers engaging in attempts at over technicalizing and complicating their explanation of some matter that they are describing in order to make their CON job seem to be more important than it is...

In our current world of information and fake news, each of us has a responsibility to engage in critical thinking and critical reading, and figure out if some presenter is presenting genuine ideas badly or attempting to con us (whether intentional or not).  There can be some good people with good intentions that unwittingly get caught up in carrying the con water for someone else.

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Tried 2 browsers, I have no sound?
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Attack from Coinbase? Linky?

settings...audio
https://us16.campaign-archive.com/?u=67eb93253df610fc7b047c270&id=8927bd8933 <-- coinbase fuckery

maybe he meant allocution

Thanks for the link and he makes a habit of that.

Probably best to take most things that Roachie says with a BIGASS grain of salt, and if you read much of anything that he posts, skim it, rather than getting caught up in the weeds of his nonsense.  He does make an important point here and there, but most of the time, it would not be worth it to credit him for his contribution(s) since the larger majority of the time  he speaks gibble-dee-goble-dee.

[bitcoinPsycho]

Spend one and spend another one for free!

where is room for 1 there is room for 2 in BCASH be quick and join the spending

[bones261]

TBDR <<-- Too Big Didn't Read

I'm going to make up a new acronym for "did not read word too big" I'm sick of googling a word if it's only used to make you look intelligent.

Don't feel too bad about having anything written by anonymint going over your head. That guy is in a league of his own. Usually, just to get a dim inkling of understanding any of his posts requires many hours of research. However, if you do make the attempt to try and decipher his message, it usually leads to a much deeper understanding of how BTC actually works.

[kalehon]

[vapourminer]

TBDR <<-- Too Big Didn't Read

I'm going to make up a new acronym for "did not read word too big" I'm sick of googling a word if it's only used to make you look intelligent.

Don't feel too bad about having anything written by anonymint going over your head. That guy is in a league of his own. Usually, just to get a dim inkling of understanding any of his posts requires many hours of research. However, if you do make the attempt to try and decipher his message, it usually leads to a much deeper understanding of how BTC actually works.

agreed. once you start reading the linked stuff (which will require a LOT of time) much of it makes a lot of sense (not that i pretend to understand most of it, i just cant keep up). just be prepared to possibly have some of your beliefs about btc/crypto challenged.

[jbreher]

More Bcash double spendings  

https://doublespend.cash/

jbreher the BCash lover wants to go on and on about how Bitcoin fungibility is somehow "compromised" with SegWit.

But on this BCash compromise (ie. complete failure)? Dead silence. Crickets.

Complete failure? Not at all. For those transactions worth waiting for, you can wait for block inclusion. It is an option that BTC does not give you.

Nice fkn spin there jbreher. You think you're the teflon man, but you aren't. Just a bullshitter.

I suppose by your reasoning then I can say that in Bitcoin for those that don't want to use SW, the legacy wallet addresses still work just fine. It is an option that BCH does not give you.

Yes, you can. Well, as far as you are willing to trace the origin of the coins on your non-Segwit address back to their coinbase transactions. Your point?

Nobody has been claiming that doublespends are impossible. The argument is that the potential for doublespends is a manageable cost of doing business.

For example, if a coffee shop (coffee is our canonical example, right?) can sell 1000 more coffees by accepting unconfirmed transactions, at the cost of one successful doublespend transaction, accepting such is still a profitable exercise.

[Torque]

Nobody has been claiming that doublespends are impossible. The argument is that the potential for doublespends is a manageable cost of doing business.

Unbelievable. Such insane BCash confirmation bias. If Bitcoin had this blatant flaw right now, you'd be screaming. The whole community would be having a cow over it. Especially because 0 confirmation is not and has never been "Satoshi's original vision" which the BCashtards like you want to so desperately drone on about.

For example, if a coffee shop (coffee is our canonical example, right?) can sell 1000 more coffees by accepting unconfirmed transactions, at the cost of one successful doublespend transaction, accepting such is still a profitable exercise.

That's fucking bullshit and again, your insane fallacy. There won't be "one successful doublespend", there will be hundreds, thousands, tens of thousands. It pretty much torpedoes BCash ever being adopted as a mainstream merchant currency.

You really. Need. To. Fucking. Stop.

"Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."

[El duderino_]

Nobody has been claiming that doublespends are impossible. The argument is that the potential for doublespends is a manageable cost of doing business.

Unbelievable. Such insane BCash confirmation bias. If Bitcoin had this blatant flaw right now, you'd be screaming. The whole community would be having a cow over it. Especially because 0 confirmation is not and has never been "Satoshi's original vision".

For example, if a coffee shop (coffee is our canonical example, right?) can sell 1000 more coffees by accepting unconfirmed transactions, at the cost of one successful doublespend transaction, accepting such is still a profitable exercise.

That's fucking bullshit and again, your insane fallacy. There won't be "one such doublespend", there will be hundreds, thousands. It pretty much torpedoes BCash ever being adopted as a mainstream merchant currency.

You really. Need. To. Fucking. Stop.

"Better to keep your mouth shut and be thought a fool, than to open it and remove all doubt."

AAAaaaand conversation ended

[Rosewater Foundation]

I think satoshis.place needs a prominent green dildo giving a shout out to this thread.

Hmm.

Thinking.

Too early ?

Dick trees are traditional.



https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=777829.0;all

[Rosewater Foundation]

What we do here is important.

[jbreher]

More Bcash double spendings  

https://doublespend.cash/

jbreher the BCash lover wants to go on and on about how Bitcoin fungibility is somehow "compromised" with SegWit.

But on this BCash compromise (ie. complete failure)? Dead silence. Crickets.

Complete failure? Not at all. For those transactions worth waiting for, you can wait for block inclusion. It is an option that BTC does not give you.

BTC gives you the option to use Layer 2.
BCH give you the option to risk being ripped off.

I would not disagree with those points. However, I would add two of my own:
There is nothing within the current architecture of BCH that precludes future layer 2 solutions.
In many areas, profit is a premium earned for taking on risk. There are solid business use cases where accepting the risk of a doublespend transaction actually leads to greater profit.

[JayJuanGee]

More Bcash double spendings  

https://doublespend.cash/

jbreher the BCash lover wants to go on and on about how Bitcoin fungibility is somehow "compromised" with SegWit.

But on this BCash compromise (ie. complete failure)? Dead silence. Crickets.

Complete failure? Not at all. For those transactions worth waiting for, you can wait for block inclusion. It is an option that BTC does not give you.

Defend bcash at any cost?  Do you frequently fail to think through more than one angle?

You attempt to suggest that bitcoiners are less empowered because bitcoin does not allow for zero confirmations; however, on an individual level you can come to all kinds of agreements, such as paying money to someone or providing a service before the bitcoins are confirmed.  Also, if you go through a third party service connected with bitcoin, you are also going to have all kinds of zero confirmation options.  So your inference that options are not available to bitcoiners, is weak at best.

Furthermore, if the credibility of your whole asset system is compromised because of a security weak feature, such as zero confirmation transactions, wouldn't that weakness undermine the whole value of the asset?

You bcash crazies gotta think further down the road than to feel that you immediately want some stupid ass feature, whether that is zero confirmation of infinitely sized block limits, and your whole fucking system is going to converge towards zero value based on these choices to compromise security based on pie in the sky (and likely unnecessary) wishes for on chain expediency.

[JayJuanGee]

Anyone got experience with the stuff Alex Jones sells?

 My brother tried Super Male Vitality but he said it was making him get angry at work so he stopped taking it.  

That would be expected with something like that. Men are the ones who go out and kill stuff, if it actually makes us think in a more masculine way then yeah he's gonna get pissed at all the girly men at work.

It's hard killing things. I deer hunt, and feel bad every time I shoot one. Another one of man's burdens I guess.

Wild animal is likely one of the most nutritious of foods (bang for the buck), of course there is nutrition in the fat too, especially if they are able to eat their natural foods rather than force fed a purposefully fattening diet (referring to omega 3 versus omega 6 fats - and better fed animals would likely have a higher omega 3 to omega 6 ratio).  

Sometimes, I wonder if men could evolve to be vegetarians rather than omnivores when it seems that there is so much nutrition in meat that is much more bio-available, rather than forcing survival through something like a vegetarian diet that tends to take a bit more maintenance to make sure that you don't kill yourself by pursuing such non-meat eating diet?  Do you tend to eat the whole deer or are their some wasted parts?  Might make you feel somewhat better if you engage in some of those kinds of efficiency practices?

[regent4]

https://i.imgur.com/RJTzZQz.png

daily analysis here - waiting for breakout

http://blockchainshowdown.blogspot.com/2018/06/btc-usd-22nd-june-2018.html