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@YourMother great TA



trolls what you gonna do




12 July 2012. The Gentleperson's Guide To Forum Spies

https://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

25 February 2014. Related: GCHQ Full-Spectrum Cyber Effects:

http://cryptome.org/2014/02/gchq-cyber-effects.pdf

24 February 2014. Related: GCHQ Online Deception:

http://cryptome.org/2014/02/gchq-online-deception.pdf

GCHQ DISRUPTION Operational Playbook:

http://cryptome.org/2014/02/gchq-disruption.pdf

29 January 2014. Related: GCHQ Squeaky Dolphin Psychological Operations:

http://cryptome.org/2014/01/gchq-squeaky-dolphin.pdf (18MB)

4 March 2012. Precursor to this sabotage, OSS Sabotage of Organizations:

http://svn.cacert.org/CAcert/CAcert_Inc/Board/oss/oss_sabotage.html

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[infofront]

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I have, myself, full confidence that if all do their duty, if nothing is neglected, and if the best arrangements are made, as they are being made, we shall prove ourselves once again able to defend the value of Bitcoin, to ride out the storm of FUD, and to outlive the menace of tyranny, if necessary for years, if necessary alone. At any rate, that is what we are going to try to do. That is the resolve of His Majesty’s Government-every man of them. That is the will of Parliament and the nation. The British Empire and the French Republic, linked together in their cause and in their need, will defend to the death their blockchain, aiding each other like good comrades to the utmost of their strength. Even though large tracts of Europe and many old and famous Altcoins have fallen or may fall into the grip of the Banksters and all the odious apparatus of Socialist rule, we shall not flag or fail. We shall go on to the end, we shall fight on bitfinex, we shall fight on gemini and bitstamp, we shall fight with growing confidence and growing strength in the air, we shall defend our blockchain, whatever the cost may be. We shall fight on the forums, we shall fight on twitter, we shall fight in /r/bitcoin and /r/btc, we shall fight on tradingview; we shall never surrender, and even if, which I do not for a moment believe, tether blows up, and Bitcoin plunges to $3,000, then our Empire beyond the seas, armed and guarded by the British Fleet, would carry on the struggle, until, in God’s good time, the New World, with all its power and might, steps forth to the rescue and the liberation of Bitcoin.

[Searing]

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my denial is in a different form....'everything' is a bubble...the stock market is next....a normal recession/correction is 20% with Trump and other issues in society ..I expect at least

a 40% recession...thus IF BTC is a store of value like Gold...MAYBE..it will simply, when the above happens, simply go sideways in price or up yet (like gold maybe)

So ..figured my retirement  (traditional) and crypto (best guess at say 3k BTC) and knock wood ...stay out of debt..income is no worse than it was before I was in crypto...

so calling it a win and moving on...

again, too much weird ass, denial crap, in society and business and gov't going on ...sh*t IMHO is going to hit the fan..

If I'm wrong, I'll have 2x the money I expect in everything and will be pleasantly surprised

but...really not thinking that is gonna be the case

(could be worse....w/o crypto I would not have retired 3 years early and thus not be able to whine about above..man would I be frigging freaking out if that was the case...

likely to be pro-active I'd be looking for a 2nd part-time job on top of full time job..just to be proactive...so shudder..it is not that bad for me anyway....crypto 66% dump in

price or not

my 2 satoshi's

brad

[criptix]

to that guy on bitmex, please stop flashing your 30 million sell wall  

(was some hours ago)

[billyjoeallen]

Has anyone noticed how Dash has been the bellweather for many recent market moves? It seems to precede the Bicoin turns by anywhere from a minute to two hours. Dash has a tiniy market cap and paper thin volume, so this should not be the case, IMO.

[megadeth]

Has anyone noticed how Dash has been the bellweather for many recent market moves? It seems to precede the Bicoin turns by anywhere from a minute to two hours. Dash has a tiniy market cap and paper thin volume, so this should not be the case, IMO.

Billys back?? 

[JayJuanGee]

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my denial is in a different form....'everything' is a bubble...the stock market is next....a normal recession/correction is 20% with Trump and other issues in society ..I expect at least

a 40% recession...thus IF BTC is a store of value like Gold...MAYBE..it will simply, when the above happens, simply go sideways in price or up yet (like gold maybe)

So ..figured my retirement  (traditional) and crypto (best guess at say 3k BTC) and knock wood ...stay out of debt..income is no worse than it was before I was in crypto...

so calling it a win and moving on...

again, too much weird ass, denial crap, in society and business and gov't going on ...sh*t IMHO is going to hit the fan..

If I'm wrong, I'll have 2x the money I expect in everything and will be pleasantly surprised

but...really not thinking that is gonna be the case

(could be worse....w/o crypto I would not have retired 3 years early and thus not be able to whine about above..man would I be frigging freaking out if that was the case...

likely to be pro-active I'd be looking for a 2nd part-time job on top of full time job..just to be proactive...so shudder..it is not that bad for me anyway....crypto 66% dump in

price or not

my 2 satoshi's

brad

I think that I understand what you are saying.

If you retired at $10k per BTC, and you calculated that you need at least $1k per BTC to be safe, then right now, you have 6x the minimum, but if you needed at least $10k to be safe, then right now, you are panicking. 

So the situation is a matter of perspective and proper planning, rather than getting pissed off about a current price that it still quite a good price, given where the price was at 3 years ago (at $250-ish) or 2 years ago (at $600-ish) or even one year ago (at $2,500-ish).

[JayJuanGee]

Has anyone noticed how Dash has been the bellweather for many recent market moves? It seems to precede the Bicoin turns by anywhere from a minute to two hours. Dash has a tiniy market cap and paper thin volume, so this should not be the case, IMO.

Of course, you would come back to this thread to bring up some stupid-ass cock-a-mie off-topic alt-coin pumping theory that makes little to no sense, except for yourself to attempt to suggest that the tail is wagging the dog rather than the other way around.  go figure?  

By the way, how is the sale of all your BTC in the $200s going and subsequent attempt to short (and pump your short) at $500?  

Were you smart enough to get back in at some point prior to $19k?

[Searing]

I will avoid falling into a bottomless pit of despair. I will avoid falling into a bottomless pit of despair. I will avoid falling into a bottomless pit of despair. I will avoid falling into a bottomless pit of despair. I will avoid falling into a bottomless pit of despair. I will avoid falling into a bottomless pit of despair. I will avoid falling into a bottomless pit of despair. I will avoid falling into a bottomless pit of despair. I will avoid falling into a bottomless pit of despair. I will avoid falling into a bottomless pit of despair. I will avoid falling into a bottomless pit of despair. I will avoid falling into a bottomless pit of despair. I will avoid falling into a bottomless pit of despair. I will avoid falling into a bottomless pit of despair. I will avoid falling into a bottomless pit of despair. I will avoid falling into a bottomless pit of despair. I will avoid falling into a bottomless pit of despair. I will avoid falling into a bottomless pit of despair.

my denial is in a different form....'everything' is a bubble...the stock market is next....a normal recession/correction is 20% with Trump and other issues in society ..I expect at least

a 40% recession...thus IF BTC is a store of value like Gold...MAYBE..it will simply, when the above happens, simply go sideways in price or up yet (like gold maybe)

So ..figured my retirement  (traditional) and crypto (best guess at say 3k BTC) and knock wood ...stay out of debt..income is no worse than it was before I was in crypto...

so calling it a win and moving on...

again, too much weird ass, denial crap, in society and business and gov't going on ...sh*t IMHO is going to hit the fan..

If I'm wrong, I'll have 2x the money I expect in everything and will be pleasantly surprised

but...really not thinking that is gonna be the case

(could be worse....w/o crypto I would not have retired 3 years early and thus not be able to whine about above..man would I be frigging freaking out if that was the case...

likely to be pro-active I'd be looking for a 2nd part-time job on top of full time job..just to be proactive...so shudder..it is not that bad for me anyway....crypto 66% dump in

price or not

my 2 satoshi's

brad

I think that I understand what you are saying.

If you retired at $10k per BTC, and you calculated that you need at least $1k per BTC to be safe, then right now, you have 6x the minimum, but if you needed at least $10k to be safe, then right now, you are panicking. 

So the situation is a matter of perspective and proper planning, rather than getting pissed off about a current price that it still quite a good price, given where the price was at 3 years ago (at $250-ish) or 2 years ago (at $600-ish) or even one year ago (at $2,500-ish).

yeah, more or less worse case scenario is what I was doing above...IF crypto has legs and BTC etc and does NOT go tulips..it will be hard for me to fail...even if it goes 'tulips' and all

is worth nothing... I retired 3 years early due to crypto so wtf...

so just 1/2'd everything.....and HOPE BTC acts like gold and goes sideways in price or up on such a dire situation...and even with that .same income as when I worked...used

crypto (now) to bridge the gap till at least 65 (can use IRA $$ from work at 1/2 value to get thru last year to 66..65 has Medicaid that is a 14k no longer health insurance bill for the year)

and again.traditional investments (beyond the above IRA I could use as a stop gap) and i can burn all my altcoins and the worse case still keep BTC hoard left and no change in income

all the way thru...assuming ... I still have no debt as of now

so ...if it is no worse than the above....as long as no debt I can 'boringly' chug along and my previous 30yrs more or less buying power for income per year..save the BTC hoard

for better times...and if it all goes tulips... I have a plan to make a shelf  covered with tulips with paperwallet btc wallpaper and a couple ASIC miners ...as my 'shelf of shame'

(always best to have a backup, denial self...IMHO)

So, with that figured out...less angst and more WTF I have no idea what is going on with crypto/society/politics etc...and can hopefully just ride the whole mess out

again, too much angst, we are gonna get hit with a pretty hard recession IMHO, thus if above is the floor/bsmt hopefully I'm pessimistic and it is all up from here

the main thing is stay retired..for next 2.5 years or some such left...anything else from that is gravy in these uncertain times...even if I have to burn all my crypto and BTC

till full retirment ...not working for dicks will be a 'reward on to itself' ....(perspective)


brad

[billyjoeallen]

Has anyone noticed how Dash has been the bellweather for many recent market moves? It seems to precede the Bicoin turns by anywhere from a minute to two hours. Dash has a tiniy market cap and paper thin volume, so this should not be the case, IMO.

Billys back?? 

Look what just happened! Dash is an amazing leading indicator. I still don't know why.

[jojo69]

Has anyone noticed how Dash has been the bellweather for many recent market moves? It seems to precede the Bicoin turns by anywhere from a minute to two hours. Dash has a tiniy market cap and paper thin volume, so this should not be the case, IMO.

Billys back??  

Look what just happened! Dash is an amazing leading indicator. I still don't know why.

Trading view wants me to make an account, I don't want to go to individual exchanges and bitcoinwisdom is unsupported these days. Where do you guys look at crypto charts?

cryptowat.ch

[Hueristic]

Intriguingly, you once said you prefer an essay to a video, or similar, but it seems you are not entirely impervious to the 'graphic revolution'. Nor am I. But it has lead us to a time where we just point and say, "Look there are Trump supporters in the UK, so life is fair and equal" and "look at these silly mugs on the tv begging for their sovereignty. One of them even gets to go free, so life is marvelous". Just as in the videos called 'Hunger Games' or 'Black Mirror'. This 'pointing' gets us nowhere.

Meanwhile the universities, funded by whichever local scamola or chumpatron, are not teaching anything of any value to the students themselves. Anything that might combat the visual fog of today's virtual slave empire.

Here, a person, her gender and nationality irrelevant, but her 'education' 'imperial', is 'bright' enough to go hiking in Austria because it's the done thing, but has no skills to cope with the real world smacking her in the face: https://www.dw.com/en/american-tourist-takes-unexploded-wwii-munition-to-vienna-airport/a-44611194

Here I've made 3 or 4 assumptions, but they stem from how I see the world, and I beg you to start looking at it more critically too.

What a stupid cow, I bet she lives on trans fats and and believes the world is 6000 years old.

https://twitter.com/TehJoeCow/status/1017099450593005569

Hah. this is awesome!

Has anyone noticed how Dash has been the bellweather for many recent market moves? It seems to precede the Bicoin turns by anywhere from a minute to two hours. Dash has a tiniy market cap and paper thin volume, so this should not be the case, IMO.

Of course, you would come back to this thread to bring up some stupid-ass cock-a-mie off-topic alt-coin pumping theory that makes little to no sense, except for yourself to attempt to suggest that the tail is wagging the dog rather than the other way around.  go figure?   

By the way, how is the sale of all your BTC in the $200s going and subsequent attempt to short (and pump your short) at $500?   

Were you smart enough to get back in at some point prior to $19k?

Oooo that just sounds painful. Ouch

[xhomerx10]

https://twitter.com/TehJoeCow/status/1017099450593005569

[Anon136]

Trading view wants me to make an account, I don't want to go to individual exchanges and bitcoinwisdom is unsupported these days. Where do you guys look at crypto charts?

cryptowat.ch

Wooow, super slick, I love the interface. Main page is depressing on a bear day though, so much color red.

[billyjoeallen]

Has anyone noticed how Dash has been the bellweather for many recent market moves? It seems to precede the Bicoin turns by anywhere from a minute to two hours. Dash has a tiniy market cap and paper thin volume, so this should not be the case, IMO.

Of course, you would come back to this thread to bring up some stupid-ass cock-a-mie off-topic alt-coin pumping theory that makes little to no sense, except for yourself to attempt to suggest that the tail is wagging the dog rather than the other way around.  go figure?  

By the way, how is the sale of all your BTC in the $200s going and subsequent attempt to short (and pump your short) at $500?  

Were you smart enough to get back in at some point prior to $19k?

I sold all the way up, Bro.  I was down to dust at the top. Bought some really cool night vision goggles on purse.io.  I can't really use them on the SeaDoo I bought before that. Or the convertible. or the other convertible. or the motorcycle. or the house. How u doin?

I'm not pumping anything. I just wonder why a coin with a tiny market cap seems to lead the market. I'm asking a question.

[JayJuanGee]

Has anyone noticed how Dash has been the bellweather for many recent market moves? It seems to precede the Bicoin turns by anywhere from a minute to two hours. Dash has a tiniy market cap and paper thin volume, so this should not be the case, IMO.

Of course, you would come back to this thread to bring up some stupid-ass cock-a-mie off-topic alt-coin pumping theory that makes little to no sense, except for yourself to attempt to suggest that the tail is wagging the dog rather than the other way around.  go figure?   

By the way, how is the sale of all your BTC in the $200s going and subsequent attempt to short (and pump your short) at $500?   

Were you smart enough to get back in at some point prior to $19k?

Oooo that just sounds painful. Ouch

BJA has a fairly interesting history, for a seeming bitcoin OG that has also been talking his book, and really trying to get others to follow him in his selling and/or shorting.  He had admitted it several times, too, but he also admitted a few times when he had taken pretty strong positions and got rekt pretty bad, too... which is sad - but utlmately stupid since he was trying to act like he was the smartest person in the room when he was taking some of those positions.

He also has a pretty famous quote in the "new gentlemen elite thread" in 2011, where he said he was going to ride this pig (referring to bitcoin) wherever it takes him - but then again, he soon did not even follow his own supposed bullish statement.

So, it does seem that he is the same account, but you really cannot tell for sure if someone bought out the account, either.

[JayJuanGee]

Has anyone noticed how Dash has been the bellweather for many recent market moves? It seems to precede the Bicoin turns by anywhere from a minute to two hours. Dash has a tiniy market cap and paper thin volume, so this should not be the case, IMO.

Of course, you would come back to this thread to bring up some stupid-ass cock-a-mie off-topic alt-coin pumping theory that makes little to no sense, except for yourself to attempt to suggest that the tail is wagging the dog rather than the other way around.  go figure?  

By the way, how is the sale of all your BTC in the $200s going and subsequent attempt to short (and pump your short) at $500?  

Were you smart enough to get back in at some point prior to $19k?

I sold all the way up, Bro.  I was down to dust at the top.

Gotta take some of your claims with a BIG ass grain of salt, and if you are the orignial BJA, at least such original BJA would admit some of his stupid ass screw ups.. so I have to wonder if you are the same one or if you are just going through fantastical braggadocios period?

Bought some really cool night vision goggles on purse.io.  

Nothing wrong with doing that, but you had already proclaimed that you had sold a lot in the upper $200s and you had put a lot on shorting in the $500s... so in the end, you gotta be a bit more realistic in your proclamations about "always winning" because even the original BJA did not go that far in his level of ridiculous "winning all the time" claims.

I can't really use them on the SeaDoo I bought before that. Or the convertible. or the other convertible. or the motorcycle. or the house. How u doin?

How ridiculous...    Any of us could claim some purchasing of consumer goods.  Recall BTC did nearly a 78x increase, and even today around 24x, and even if we screwed up quite a bit, should be able to have gotten 2x or 3x returns, no?

I'm not pumping anything. I just wonder why a coin with a tiny market cap seems to lead the market. I'm asking a question.

You should go to some DASH thread with your line of inquiry...  Recall this is a bitcoin thread... and sure, deviation once in a while is o.k., but if you are pumping other coins, peeps here lose their patience quite quickly with that kind of off-topicness / or quasi-irrelevant attempts to denigrate BTC (without any real basis besides attempting to push buttons - aka trolling).

[billyjoeallen]

Has anyone noticed how Dash has been the bellweather for many recent market moves? It seems to precede the Bicoin turns by anywhere from a minute to two hours. Dash has a tiniy market cap and paper thin volume, so this should not be the case, IMO.

Of course, you would come back to this thread to bring up some stupid-ass cock-a-mie off-topic alt-coin pumping theory that makes little to no sense, except for yourself to attempt to suggest that the tail is wagging the dog rather than the other way around.  go figure?  

By the way, how is the sale of all your BTC in the $200s going and subsequent attempt to short (and pump your short) at $500?  

Were you smart enough to get back in at some point prior to $19k?

Oooo that just sounds painful. Ouch

BJA has a fairly interesting history, for a seeming bitcoin OG that has also been talking his book, and really trying to get others to follow him in his selling and/or shorting.  He had admitted it several times, too, but he also admitted a few times when he had taken pretty strong positions and got rekt pretty bad, too... which is sad - but utlmately stupid since he was trying to act like he was the smartest person in the room when he was taking some of those positions.

He also has a pretty famous quote in the "new gentlemen elite thread" in 2011, where he said he was going to ride this pig (referring to bitcoin) wherever it takes him - but then again, he soon did not even follow his own supposed bullish statement.

So, it does seem that he is the same account, but you really cannot tell for sure if someone bought out the account, either.

I got in because I loved the economics of Bitcoin. I'm an econogeek, not a technogeek. I never suspected there would be a transaction capacity issue. Then I came to the conclusion that it was a governance issue and the blocksize thing was just a symptom.  My rekt trading positions as it turned out didn't matter too much because Bitfinex stole 1/3 of my account anyway when they got "hacked". I actually lucked out because it took so long to recover my private keys from an obsolete wallet.dat file that the price blew sky high. Of course i still sold too much too early, but I had forgotten about the coins in about a half dozen exchanges that i had scattered around to diversify my risk. sold them too eventually.  I actually felt like a chump at the top thinking "what the hell am I going to do with all this depreciating fiat?"

I loved Bitcoin, but it's MySpace. I'm looking for the FaceBook of crypto. Bitcoin was pioneering, but a pioneer is a guy lying face down in a pool of his own blood with arrows in his back.  it's something to learn from.  

[Elwar]

I really should consider trading BTC.

I can usually see the indicators of a jump. ie someone with a huge sell wall trying to push prices down before pumping them, high rated individuals on localbitcoins trying to buy very large amounts of bitcoins, etc.

It's just too stressful though. I'd rather just buy and hodl.

[billyjoeallen]

I really should consider trading BTC.

I can usually see the indicators of a jump. ie someone with a huge sell wall trying to push prices down before pumping them, high rated individuals on localbitcoins trying to buy very large amounts of bitcoins, etc.

It's just too stressful though. I'd rather just buy and hodl.

The problem at least for now is that you have to trade on an exchange, the easiest type of business in the world to embezzle from and also the biggest target for hackers.  Not only that, but if there is a fork, you may only get the coins on one branch.  Decentralized exchanges promise to fix that, but again Etherium has a scaling issue of its own.

Trading for me was way harder than it looks and VERY stressful.  I'm smart enough to know I'm not smart enough to do it consistently well. We need good traders to reduce volatility so I hope you do well.

Cheers.