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So compassion is not really a factor here, right? Only a potential "threat" is a factor.
It’s one factor but needs to be viewed in a broader context, including threat scenarios. The bit the alt-right completely misses is when the walls go up, most of them are so poorly educated and poor that most of them will be on the wrong side of the wall, and the wrong end of the sentry guns. By working to destroy social protections, the rootless, low educated, white males who are Steve Bannons troops are only digging themselves a hole. I intend to be inside the walls. But I would rather that there were no walls at all and we all managed to get along peacefully. If the walls do go up, it is because we have made bad choices as a society and focused on ourselves to the exclusion of all others, enough to make those others desperate and dangerous. Those people over there don't look like me. Let's kill them! Even if you don't think like that, others do. That's why walls are needed. "Like" has nothing to do with it, it's a simple necessity for life. Incidentally, the reason tribal societies were always at war with other tribes is about food. Nature can only feed so many people in a given area. The fact that we now have technology to feed... who the fuck knows, hundreds of thousands as many people as before doesn't change our biological need to kill the Other. It's a part of human nature and needs to be taken into account, otherwise a lot of people die that didn't need to.
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Elwar
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July 18, 2018, 07:28:15 AM |
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There's a free world?
Living in America + having means. Yea it's pretty free. I can shoot my guns and grow my gardens and raise my chickens and build exactly the house I want. I can hop in my car and drive anywhere I want. I can say what ever I want. Nigger fag spic kike. I could be anywhere in the world I wanted within 48 hours. There isn't a whole lot that I want to do that I am not able to do. And even that small list with most of those things I understand why I can't even though I want to. I was starting to think about that. I tried to help get Ron Paul elected because I foolishly believed Americans wanted to be free. I realized the amount of time and money I wasted throughout my life trying to give Americans something they don't actually want. So I figured I would focus on my own freedom, everyone else be damned. So I started working on the seasteading project because ultimately that would be the only place where you can start a nation from scratch and actually have some freedom. But having money I am starting to think I can just follow the path of so many other rich people and buy my freedom. Either by doing it in the US or doing it in another country where my money goes further and can buy off law enforcement and politicians easier than in the US. No matter where I go in the world I am still not free of the US until I renounce my citizenship. They still extort money from me even living overseas. Musk has the right idea to find another planet.
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HairyMaclairy
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July 18, 2018, 07:29:29 AM |
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Hi Ibian
Can you describe for me the characteristics of your ideal society.
In your ideal society, do children starve to death?
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Ibian
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July 18, 2018, 07:31:28 AM |
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There's a free world?
Living in America + having means. Yea it's pretty free. I can shoot my guns and grow my gardens and raise my chickens and build exactly the house I want. I can hop in my car and drive anywhere I want. I can say what ever I want. Nigger fag spic kike. I could be anywhere in the world I wanted within 48 hours. There isn't a whole lot that I want to do that I am not able to do. And even that small list with most of those things I understand why I can't even though I want to. I was starting to think about that. I tried to help get Ron Paul elected because I foolishly believed Americans wanted to be free. I realized the amount of time and money I wasted throughout my life trying to give Americans something they don't actually want. So I figured I would focus on my own freedom, everyone else be damned. So I started working on the seasteading project because ultimately that would be the only place where you can start a nation from scratch and actually have some freedom. But having money I am starting to think I can just follow the path of so many other rich people and buy my freedom. Either by doing it in the US or doing it in another country where my money goes further and can buy off law enforcement and politicians easier than in the US. No matter where I go in the world I am still not free of the US until I renounce my citizenship. They still extort money from me even living overseas. Musk has the right idea to find another planet. What's the actual tax rate in the states, anyway? In my country it's about 80%. 50% income tax, 25% sales tax and a whole bunch of taxes that are not openly advertised on anything you buy adding up to another 50%. How much of your labor needs to be taken away before you no longer consider yourself "free"?
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Ibian
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Hi Ibian
Can you describe for me the characteristics of your ideal society.
In your ideal society, do children starve to death?
No, just people who are excessively Hairy. Everyone else are just fine.
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Phil_S
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July 18, 2018, 07:35:13 AM |
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So compassion is not really a factor here, right? Only a potential "threat" is a factor.
It’s one factor but needs to be viewed in a broader context, including threat scenarios. The bit the alt-right completely misses is when the walls go up, most of them are so poorly educated and poor that most of them will be on the wrong side of the wall, and the wrong end of the sentry guns. By working to destroy social protections, the rootless, low educated, white males who are Steve Bannons troops are only digging themselves a hole. I intend to be inside the walls. But I would rather that there were no walls at all and we all managed to get along peacefully. If the walls do go up, it is because we have made bad choices as a society and focused on ourselves to the exclusion of all others, enough to make those others desperate and dangerous. Yet you're against peaceful relations with Russia. Walls might protect you from poor "low educated white males" masses, but they provide zero protection from nukes, you know.
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July 18, 2018, 07:46:16 AM |
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So compassion is not really a factor here, right? Only a potential "threat" is a factor.
It’s one factor but needs to be viewed in a broader context, including threat scenarios. The bit the alt-right completely misses is when the walls go up, most of them are so poorly educated and poor that most of them will be on the wrong side of the wall, and the wrong end of the sentry guns. By working to destroy social protections, the rootless, low educated, white males who are Steve Bannons troops are only digging themselves a hole. I intend to be inside the walls. But I would rather that there were no walls at all and we all managed to get along peacefully. If the walls do go up, it is because we have made bad choices as a society and focused on ourselves to the exclusion of all others, enough to make those others desperate and dangerous. Yet you're against peaceful relations with Russia. Walls might protect you from poor "low educated white males" masses, but they provide zero protection from nukes, you know. The only kind of peace Americans can imagine is the one where the rest of the world 'bends the knee' Because anything less would be a disgraceful outrage. Murica first!
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HairyMaclairy
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July 18, 2018, 07:59:53 AM |
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Here’s the thing. In some ways the objective truth doesn’t matter.
The appearance to the world is that the American President is a weak fool. That damages American interests and it damages Western interests by extension.
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Totscha
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July 18, 2018, 08:09:29 AM |
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Here’s the thing. In some ways the objective truth doesn’t matter.
The appearance to the world is that the American President is a weak fool. That damages American interests and it damages Western interests by extension.
That's the only kind of presidents they tolerate. The strong ones get shot in the head
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July 18, 2018, 08:20:53 AM |
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There's a free world?
Living in America + having means. Yea it's pretty free. I can shoot my guns and grow my gardens and raise my chickens and build exactly the house I want. I can hop in my car and drive anywhere I want. I can say what ever I want. Nigger fag spic kike. I could be anywhere in the world I wanted within 48 hours. There isn't a whole lot that I want to do that I am not able to do. And even that small list with most of those things I understand why I can't even though I want to. I don't understand people who say there is so little freedom. I mean I guess in certain occupations, but I have chosen a path in my life that maximizes my freedom, intentionally so. So, I hardly ever run into bullshit. And other people, if they cared about freedom, could have made similar choices. Even my financial independence came from investing in cryptocurrencies which was an expression of my seeking of freedom. Just trying to be free gave me the wealth to become free. Who could have guessed that seeking freedom would lead to freedom!? Just take the taxes side of things. You can't own the house because of the property taxes. You can't go anywhere without paying the taxes on the gas. You can't leave the country if you owe the IRS. You can't hit the highway with a stash of cash in the car without risking the cash and everything else being confiscated. Try saying those naughty words on Twitter, Facebook and co., let alone to someone's face. You can't communicate or research your trip without it being logged and recorded. Your computer is a 2-way open sewer. Try starting a business without permissions. Try not collecting the associated taxes from your employees. So it's fine if you're a statist cuck with no ambition. But it's no place for a sovereign individual.
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Phil_S
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July 18, 2018, 08:22:54 AM Merited by BobLawblaw (1) |
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Here’s the thing. In some ways the objective truth doesn’t matter.
The appearance to the world is that the American President is a weak fool. That damages American interests and it damages Western interests by extension.
The "appearance" is created and managed by the media, at least 90% of it. President himself through his actions and polices controls maybe 10%. The media can demonize anyone, or make someone a hero, easily. So take a guess who is responsible for "damaging American interests and Western interests by extension" here.
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Phil_S
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July 18, 2018, 08:30:59 AM |
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You can't hit the highway with a stash of cash in the car without risking the cash and everything else being confiscated.
That shit is the worst. And just imagine having silver and gold instead of cash. They'll confiscate it for sure.
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July 18, 2018, 08:32:49 AM |
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Here’s the thing. In some ways the objective truth doesn’t matter.
The appearance to the world is that the American President is a weak fool. That damages American interests and it damages Western interests by extension.
The "appearance" is created and managed by the media, at least 90% of it. President himself through his actions and polices controls maybe 10%. The media can demonize anyone, or make someone a hero, easily. So take a guess who is responsible for "damaging American interests and Western interests by extension" here. The media, enjoying the show, they are going crazy they literally look scared, luvin it
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July 18, 2018, 08:41:42 AM |
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Which ever one of those it is, why is it my responsibility to pay for his healthcare?
Do you drive on roads someone else built? Do you get your electricity from a grid someone else built? Does your country have an army protecting it that someone else paid for? and on and on and on. You benefit from a society someone else built. It's your responsibility to continue improving said society.
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HairyMaclairy
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July 18, 2018, 09:03:38 AM |
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No but I ride a kangaroo to work and they can jump over walls
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HairyMaclairy
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July 18, 2018, 09:10:03 AM |
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July 18, 2018, 09:20:53 AM |
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Churchill 1939 The second leader after the State of Judea in 1933 to declare war on Germany For once, can our enemies over the last 100 years at least attack us front on or do they not learn, when you sink a ship (happens nearly every war), we will conduct a full on frontal assault Rinse and repeat hey Churchill
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HairyMaclairy
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July 18, 2018, 09:32:40 AM |
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Considering the Polish army has been fighting a war for two days at that point, and Czechoslovakia had been split up, it’s not entirely accurate.
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July 18, 2018, 09:35:11 AM |
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The transition from the fiat-controlled empire to the bitcoin world will be far bloodier (more 'disruptive') than any of us here seemingly care to admit. It's too late to stop it, so worrying abstractly about the poor and the sick in a civil society gets me nowhere. Our neighbours will be our mortal enemies. Famine, pestilence, plague... starving kittens
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Phil_S
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July 18, 2018, 10:27:30 AM |
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Saddam said "I don't have WMDs", but he was a terrible person and a liar, that means the opposite is true. Perfect logic, right? Why don't they show us the evidence already, the smoking gun, you know. Like a video of Putin's agents sneaking into voting booths across the country, messing with the machines, in the middle of the night before the elections. I mean, something like this actually happened, right? For real?
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