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[Arriemoller]

he died from medical problems in conjunction with drugs, the cop did not kill him

Sounds alot like saying those with underlying problems will die from Corona so its not the superflu its just your underlying condition, easy diagnosis.  

... isn't it even worse that George Floyd was having a heart attack and the cops were kneeling all over him, and on his neck, instead of rendering assistance unlike psychopathic inhuman beasts, than if they simply executed him by asphyxiation from kneeling on his neck?

Don't know if it's worse, but it 's definitely just as bad.

[Arriemoller]

An autopsy report talks about "potential intoxicants"?

It's a preliminary report only, the final report is yet to come, presumably with a toxic report.

The coroners report is in, and he died from medical problems in conjunction with drugs, the cop did not kill him.

I see.

Ok Jimbo, let me refrase that.
The coroners preliminary report is in, and it seems like he died from medical problems in conjunction with possible drugs, the cop might not have killed him

[Arriemoller]

.... the instinctive reaction for the US authorities to put the military on the streets show this has a long way to go. The State is doubling-down on the State-sanctioned violence and oppression that has precipitated and inflamed the crisis, instead of seeking urgent and lasting resolutions inside their own agencies of the State where the problems clearly lie. The parallels with the bungling public health response to the pandemic inside public health state agencies is not coincidental but symptomatic of broad institutional decay and dysfunction.

It wont end until the whole of the militarized apparatus of State oppression is dismantled and scrapped now. The military should only ever be retained for defending against external threats, never turned upon the people who pay their wages, that's the final turn of the vicious spiral into anarchic civil war (suspension of habeas corpus). Police were only ever meant to be Officers of the Peace, never Law Enforcement. After total War the military hands over control of the streets to Officers of the Peace; militarisation of the police and putting military on the streets is naturally escalating society back to wartime conditions.

None of this is unexpected, it has been happening gradually in clear sight for those willing to see, only now it has accelerated to the point when it is plain for all to see. Effectively, USA is already in the early stages of a state of civil war.

Abraham Lincoln spoke of government "of the people, by the people, for the people". This was the ideal of democracy.

It seems it has now become government "against the people, versus the people, over the people". Is this is what American "democracy" has become?

No thinking person is advocating anarchy. Without basic law and order, corporations and other criminals would take over.

We do need community-level policing. The problem is indeed the militarization of what should be a constabulary of local residents. Constables should be known to other local residents on a personal level. Even in big cities, this is possible on a neighborhood-to-neighborhood basis. Constables should display their names with pride.

Military and paramilitary forces should only be used against foreign threats. Unfortunately, the Military-Industrial Complex that Dwight Eisenhower warned about has become too profitable to be sustained by defense and has increasingly relied on offense to keep up the revenues.

Political bribery (lobbying) means that governments are for sale to the highest bidder.
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What can be done?

Constitutional changes should outlaw lobbying and limit police use of force.

The military should be be used only for national defense, not for international meddling nor domestic political purposes. Military budgets should be reduced in an orderly fashion so as not to trigger a military takeover. The military should be used domestically primarily to control police excesses.

As I mentioned, Law Enforcement should be replaced with local constabularies with only a basic federal force to keep the police in line.

The whole dirty little system of spying on and keeping files on citizens should be dismantled.

It would be best if this were done peacefully but we all know that more likely those who wield the power now won't give it up without a fight.

I agree with everything you say Jimbo, except the last paragraf, I think it can be done peacefully, but  i think it takes some kind of major event that changes the sentiment of the society to do that.

[Phil_S]

Compilation of Crazy:

https://twitter.com/JordanUhl/status/1266917228752056320

[Arriemoller]

Surprised, anyone?

Yeah, I am.
I'm surprised Arrie can't face the FACT that Floyd could not fucking breathe.


Good morning JJG.

Did you sleep well?
Sorry, how was your day?

Where on earth did I say he not couldn't breath.
The preliminary report suggests that his shortness of breath was caused by heart trouble, and, maybe, drugs. We will know more when the final report is in.
I'm not defending the cops inaction when he was clearly sick. I'm defending the cops actions before that, when they were simply trying to arrest a money forger.

[HairyMaclairy]

[Arriemoller]

Be clear Arrie..its a fact for you. Our subjective experiences of what we call reality induces biases that are sometimes hard to peer around. Work on it is my advice.

Leftie biases are wrong. That's why you are leftists.

If you are not a leftie at 20 you have no heart, if you are not a rightie at 30 you have no brain. This is not just a cute saying, it's literal truth. Lefties have, for whatever reason, stunted brain growth. You are simply not able to understand right wing thinking. You do not think as adults.

But I was a conservative already as a young boy, does that mean that my brain was big and well developed ahead of time?

[Ibian]

Be clear Arrie..its a fact for you. Our subjective experiences of what we call reality induces biases that are sometimes hard to peer around. Work on it is my advice.

Leftie biases are wrong. That's why you are leftists.

If you are not a leftie at 20 you have no heart, if you are not a rightie at 30 you have no brain. This is not just a cute saying, it's literal truth. Lefties have, for whatever reason, stunted brain growth. You are simply not able to understand right wing thinking. You do not think as adults.

But I was a conservative already as a young boy, does that mean that my brain was big and well developed ahead of time?

No point getting into the technicals but, essentially yes. It's a specific part of the brain that matters here. There is variation in how developed it is even from birth, and it grows in response to certain environmental influences.

[Arriemoller]

Tell you what though, let's just get rid of the Police force all together.

I agree.


Freedom is when the state fears the people. In a police state, which is any state that has a police force, the people fear the state. That's why communism continues to happen, obviously unsustainable as it is. We can not afford to have tyrants in power who enforce their will on the people with force.

Police has its origin in   controlling and bringing back escaped slaves. The difference, today it is done incognito and making the slave believe it is for his own good.
Medieval Europe had night watch men who's primary job was to keep the gas light lanterns lit. Paid by the community and he would respect his employer.
I think Hitler introduced income tax (and a lot of other taxes).

So many things wrong here, I'll just point out two.
There was no gas lights in medieval Europe, gas light is a late 1800s invention, medieval Europe was dark.
Hitler did not invent nor introduce income tax.

[P_Shep]

An autopsy report talks about "potential intoxicants"?

It's a preliminary report only, the final report is yet to come, presumably with a toxic report.

The coroners report is in, and he died from medical problems in conjunction with drugs, the cop did not kill him.

I see.

Ok Jimbo, let me refrase that.
The coroners preliminary report is in, and it seems like he died from medical problems in conjunction with possible drugs, the cop might not have killed him

So, I guess he was destined to just drop dead that day, regardless of the cops actions, then?

[Arriemoller]

An autopsy report talks about "potential intoxicants"?

It's a preliminary report only, the final report is yet to come, presumably with a toxic report.

The coroners report is in, and he died from medical problems in conjunction with drugs, the cop did not kill him.

I see.

Ok Jimbo, let me refrase that.
The coroners preliminary report is in, and it seems like he died from medical problems in conjunction with possible drugs, the cop might not have killed him

So, I guess he was destined to just drop dead that day, regardless of the cops actions, then?

How should I know when he was destined to die?
But the cops inaction when he got sick (possible heart attack?) didn't help. He should have tried to help him, and when dead, tried to resuscitate him.

[lightfoot]

So, I guess he was destined to just drop dead that day, regardless of the cops actions, then?

The movie Repo Man put it best: "A lattice of coincidence...."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRJ5cCP0ZPE

That said, the US is nowhere near a civil war. Currently we are at the boring stage of riot. If this lasts a few months it will become a "civil insurrection". Civil war is at least 6-8 months down the road....

[vapourminer]

That said, the US is nowhere near a civil war. Currently we are at the boring stage of riot. If this lasts a few months it will become a "civil insurrection". Civil war is at least 6-8 months down the road....

yeah im with this guy. the asteroid strike is scheduled next anyway. 

[kurious]

'Possible drugs'

Fact: That applies to every adult on the planet.

As does 'possible mental impairment'. Also a fact.

[ssmc2]

So, I guess he was destined to just drop dead that day, regardless of the cops actions, then?

The movie Repo Man put it best: "A lattice of coincidence...."

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vRJ5cCP0ZPE

That said, the US is nowhere near a civil war. Currently we are at the boring stage of riot. If this lasts a few months it will become a "civil insurrection". Civil war is at least 6-8 months down the road....

Just in time for the election

[Syke]

If it really was illegitimate then complain/sue later (fight back).

It doesn't work.

Yup, at least in the USA. Qualified immunity makes it virtually impossible to win a lawsuit against an officer. Which is why officers are brutalizing innocent protestors/journalists with no hesitation, even with cameras trained on them.

[Arriemoller]

'Possible drugs'

Fact: That applies to every adult on the planet.

As does 'possible mental impairment'. Also a fact.

Yes, it's not my words, it''s the coroners. I agree it sounds a bit out of place in a preliminary report.

[degxtra1]

Amazing how MSM and so called social media shut up and no longer screams about Covidiots who are braking all social distance rules, rioting and clashing with police since few days in US.
It's really fucking amazing.

But that's how mass propaganda implodes under weight of it's own tons bullshit mass.
People need to wakeup.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/31/the-george-floyd-protests-20-unanswered-questions/

[lightfoot]

Amazing how MSM and so called social media shut up and no longer screams about Covidiots who are braking all social distance rules, rioting and clashing with police since few days in US.
It's really fucking amazing.

But that's how mass propaganda implodes under weight of it's own tons bullshit mass.
People need to wakeup.

https://off-guardian.org/2020/05/31/the-george-floyd-protests-20-unanswered-questions/

Well, they seem to be wearing masks, which is good. Although the 6 foot rules should be maintained whenever possible I agree: This is a real fucking mess.

Fortunately MainStream media is reporting this.

As nationwide protests sparked by the death of a black man in police custody stretched into their sixth day, current and former government officials warned Sunday that the mass demonstrations could lead to new waves of coronavirus infections.

“There’s going to be a lot of issues coming out of what’s happened in the last week, but one of them is going to be that chains of transmission will have become lit from these gatherings,” former Food and Drug Administration commissioner Scott Gottlieb said in an interview on CBS News’s “Face the Nation."

From Lamestream media head, WaPo.

I am a little more worried about this: Photo from Florida, where they launched the Space-X rocket. I count fewer masks and more people here than at the average riot.

(Edit: Link to photo, not showing up for some reason) https://i.imgur.com/wEiq9pg.jpg

Edit 2: I like how the exact center of focus of this wide angle picture is the woman in black's impressive boobs.....

[irfan_pak10]

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