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So I checked how many hours we stayed above 16000?

Dec 2017: 257 hours
Jan 2018: 56 hours
Nov 2020: 60 hours

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(My pain and fatigue story)


i had no clue about all this. wishing you the best for your health.


Thanks, man  Smiley Appreciating it!
It all started after a viral infection which started out with very low fever but kept me busy about four weeks, followed by fatigue and muscle weakness.
Doctors said it's a burnout (i was a workaholic, but i didn't really suffer from it), so they reccomended b-vitamins, those made me get better to some degree, but some more health problems came up at the time, because i didn't address them before (sorry, i had to work  Grin)

FMS seems to "make whimps out of men", as some victims are describing it, and i can totally understand that point of view, but i got used to a lot of pain from skateboarding already, and i also wasn't the type that tends to give up on himself. Additionally, i was positive about whatever life was throwing at me, most of the time at least.

Taking an extra 250mg of Thiamine (five times the usual dose) resolved all this within a matter of three days.

Five? Are you sure about that? The US RDA for Thiamine is about 1.2mg/day.

Right. 50mg was my daily dose (added to 4mg from my daily b-vitamin pills), an absolute minimum to be able to cope with an ordinary day. It's a lot better in summer (an FMS fact, as i also found out lately).
Doing more physical work requires higher doses, if you don't want to get the pain and fatigue for days afterwards.
It's tricky, because as long as you are active, you don't get really exhausted, but after you stop and start to relax, the hammer comes and hits you.

Warning: Nohomo  is the least funny joke in the universe. It was that unfunny the first time and to this day. Everyone sprouting it over and over thinking its hilarious. :roll:

I wasn't aware of it as much as a joke, but more like a statement.

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November 15, 2020, 07:19:20 PM
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JayJuanGee You can propose me a strategy to manage the purchase of BTC from January 2021, I think I will have 3 or 4k to start again, if you have more than 1 or 2 options better, as LFC_Bitcoin does it seems good to me, but I need more options to see more clearly how to do it, if it is with a weekly amount, all in a single purchase, with a monthly purchase.
The easiest thing is to enter with everything but perhaps It is not the best.
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Wouldn't LFC go all in, and then just put his extra cash flow into BTC as the extra cashflow comes in?  Something like that?

I am not sure exactly about the LFC strategy, except to appreciate that he largely does not come out of BTC, once he goes in... at least not until somewhere later down the road when he will start some kind of strategic withdrawal process that is kind of still being determined in regards to the amounts that he will withdraw and the price point locations of the various withdrawals.. (one of the advantages that LFC seems to have is that he has been through at least one other exponential BTC price rise period.. so he is in a better position to be at liberty to transition out of the BTC accumulation stage, at his discretion.. in other words, the longer that you have been in the more that the prior ongoing and persistent BTC accumulation gives options about whether to continue with any amount of BTC accumulation or just to enter into some variations of liquidation/withdrawals).

Another question seems to be that you do not have access to any of the $3k to $4k amount, until January?  I presume that you will have a cashflow that will be coming in after January 2021, too?  And, since I prefer to work with an exact number of cash that you will have, let's just estimate it to be in the middle of your range of the round number of $3,600 - and then you can work with any variation on what the exact number ends up being.

I understand that lump summing and front-loading may well work better than my more patient strategy - so if there is a way that you skew your upcoming BTC accumulation strategy towards front-loading you may possibly do better than what I am going to be suggesting, but I tend to NOT be greedy and I tend to have a preference to attempt to manage my own personal cashflow over a longer period of time.. so even if I miss out, I feel better psychologically to be able to have ongoing abilities to continue to buy BTC and to have cashflow flexibility....

So ultimately, probably, I would employ something like this:  Divide the lump sum ($3,600) amount into 3 parts which would be $1,200 for each 1/3.

The first 1/3 ($1,200) would get invested as soon as you have the total balance in hand - so within a week or two of you getting the balance in hand.  Sure, you can try to be a wee bit strategic about your initial lump sum investment, but pretty much you are buying BTC right away within 1-2 weeks with this first 1/3.

The next 1/3 of $1,200 would be divided over the next 6 months of DCA.... which ONLY gives you $46.15 per week to invest on a DCA basis  (that is $1,200/26)... Anyhow, each week you would invest the whole allotted $46.15 amount..  Sure, you can either just set a date and time for each of the purchases on a weekly basis, or you can try to be strategic with the exact time of each week that you buy... could be fun... if you have time.. without getting too emotional about it, since it ends up NOT really being a very large amount, anyhow.  Surely, I understand that sometimes there are too many fees involved with some exchanges and the attempts to buy BTC with lower amounts of value, so if you have to spread out your amount a bit (such as $92.30 over two weeks or some other variation) in order to save on fees, then I can understand the employment of those kinds of attempts at fee-saving strategies, too.

The last 1/3 of $1,200 would be structured in such a way to buy on BTC price dips.  So, whatever happens to be your initial entrance purchase price, you would thereby figure out what is a relatively extreme amount that you believe that the BTC price could go down and that you would be willing to run out of money if the BTC price were to go lower than that speculated amount, and then structure your BTC buys for those kinds of possible dips that you foresee (and hopefully you consider some of the extremes, too and be willing to live with either direction, too.. even if the BTC price does not end up dipping, then you do not end up using that money... fuck!!!!). 

So, let's say for example, you had engaged in your initial lump sum investment into BTC in the past several days or so, and your average BTC purchase price ended up being in the $15,750 price arena.  You perform a back of the napkin calculation, and you tentatively conclude that you are willing to run out of money if BTC were to dip below the $11k arena, in the event that BTC prices were to go down that low... So you might start your buying on BTC price dips at $15,350 (don't set your orders to buy BTC at exact round numbers, buy a little above the round numbers - unless you are market buying, then you have more flexibility to just pull the BTC buy trigger whenever you feel), and buy BTC at approximately every $333 drop in price.  So you calculate that there are about 13 $333 price increment drops between $11k and $15,350 (3 times per every thousand price drop)- and so therefore you calculate your authorized amounts to buy on BTC dips to be $92.31 for each of the BTC price dip increments (which is $1,200/13).

So, during the 6 months that you employ this initial plan, there could likely be additional cashflow that comes in to you and for your disposal that you are able to authorize the allocation of it towards this BTC accumulation practice.. If the lump sum of extra cash that comes in is relatively large, then you can allocate in the same way as the above process by dividing it into three parts and then lump-sum buying, adding to DCA and adding to buys on dips....

If you conclude that the extra amount of cash is too small to be dividing into three portions, then you could decide to use it in only one or two of the processes rather than all three.. of course at your discretion.. in terms of if you want to lump sum buy right away, add it to DCA (and if so how) or add it to buying on dips (and if so how)..    Sure, getting more money sometimes can be a great experiment to tweak around your plan, but in some sense, you might not want to be tweaking your whole plan every time that a new $20 comes available to you...

So maybe you would have some kind of threshold amounts of value that would trigger you to employ some differing way of dealing with the extra value that come in so that if the new amount that comes in is less than $100 you are going to only add such value to one category.. if the amount is less than $500 you will add to two of the categories, and if the amount is above $500 you will add such value to all three categories.. something like that... and you do NOT have to stick to your own guidelines because you can change your guidelines (even for mere learning and tweaking experiences) depending on some perceptions of what might be happening with BTC or with your own personal situation including changes to your cashflow, your investment in BTC as compared with other investments, your view of BTC as compared with other investments, your timeline, your risk tolerance and your time, skills and abilities to learn along the way, plan and/or tweak your plans including your allocations or your employment of any kind of trading...

Of course, staying the fuck away from shitcoins should go without saying (even though I said it anyhow)..

Even if you conclude the amounts of your allocation and your timeline for investing differently than me or the increments, this still remains an outline of more or less how I would consider the totality of the situation of how to attempt to manage the cashflow that I have allocated towards BTC by having a lump sum amount and considering new amounts of cash that might come in with goals of accumulating BTC while hopefully never running out of cash to be able to both buy BTC regularly, and to buy BTC on dips without necessarily erring on the side of shooting the whole of wadd value that I have in my BTC allocated fund in one shot. 

Another thing that I would attempt to presume is that once you authorize your money towards BTC, then that authorization and dedication of that value becomes a damned close to final decision.. and you better have some pretty damned extreme circumstances before you are pulling any of that money out in terms of letting it ride for 5-10 years or longer... so you better make sure that you have your various other cashflow matters in order including having an emergency fund upon which you can draw from because emergencies are almost inevitable to happen, especially if you try to take them for granted as not going to happen... so best to have your budget figured out for at least 6 months in advance, including some resources that are available to you so that you never have to draw into your BTC.... except for very extreme circumstances and for quite a bit down the road... 5-10 years or longer...
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November 15, 2020, 07:26:49 PM

OT: M2 money velocity in the U.S. the lowest point it has even been in recorded history. There is no economic recovery happening.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2V

But hey, let's just print trillions more of it! Yeah, that'll solve the problem.  Roll Eyes
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November 15, 2020, 07:30:21 PM

Such wonder and awe,
The Wall Observer exerts,
To those who read it.

A magic shroom thread,
It's got everything covered,
To your heart's delight.

From the ancient Greeks,
And their beautiful sculptures,
To Nietzsche, and more...

Need a guide for drugs?
Wanna see Elvis again?
Instructions are here.

Left-wingers who swear,
Right-wingers who cannot spell,
Blame the cat for that!

It all seems so weird,
Alice In Wonderland stuff...
Down the hole we go!

These are the reasons,
My Ignore List is empty,
And always will be!

#7wolovehaikus

Another failure/refusal to disclaim.. #nohomo..

you fuck...

and fuck haikus, too

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy



I see that you are really balling there, dude.  #nohomo

 Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Warning: Nohomo  is the least funny joke in the universe. It was that unfunny the first time and to this day. Everyone sprouting it over and over thinking its hilarious. :roll:

You are absolutamente koreck....

Such expression might be getting a wwwwwweeeeee bit worn out...

#homo_wannabe
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November 15, 2020, 07:56:21 PM

OT: M2 money velocity in the U.S. the lowest point it has even been in recorded history. There is no economic recovery happening.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2V

But hey, let's just print trillions more of it! Yeah, that'll solve the problem.  Roll Eyes

That low velocity is deceptive, imho.
If and when covid era would be over, one way or another, all those unspent trillions will come to the fore, money velocity will increase first to the baseline and then, if people notice increased inflation, it would go up and up and then we would be in the inflationary crisis. Everything predicts the reversal of the bond market at some point.
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November 15, 2020, 07:58:56 PM
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JayJuanGee You can propose me a strategy to manage the purchase of BTC from January 2021, I think I will have 3 or 4k to start again, if you have more than 1 or 2 options better, as LFC_Bitcoin does it seems good to me, but I need more options to see more clearly how to do it, if it is with a weekly amount, all in a single purchase, with a monthly purchase.
The easiest thing is to enter with everything but perhaps It is not the best.
Thx, Wink





Wouldn't LFC go all in, and then just put his extra cash flow into BTC as the extra cashflow comes in?  Something like that?

I’d go all in with that cash & then put whatever I can afford monthly after bills & shit into bitcoin also.

Boys, don’t look to me as some kind of bitcoin or investment guru. I’m just a bit of a chancer who got lucky really, nothing I’ve done is through strategic planning. I think I just got lucky, I can tell you first hand that there are people who have more coin than me here.

I most likely will become a multi millionaire by the time this bull run starts moving & at some stage I decide to start selling. If you want my advice it’s just put as much fiat as you physically can into bitcoin before the price goes up even more. A 10 to 20 x profit is possible if you start investing again now VB.

JJG, my strategy now is simple, after selling nothing last time (some might say stupidly) I will sell maybe 25 - 50% of my bitcoin which will set me up for life. I’ll never have to work again, hopefully. The rest of my stash I will HODL for future cycles.

I do have a few ideas as to how I will sustain a nice fiat income by using the money I take from this bull run to help sustain a life. You’re right, I will inevitably pump whatever fiat made from those investments back into bitcoin.

I think Bob said it some time ago, he finds it funny that the fiat he took from selling bitcoin in the past is invested to make more fiat which he invests back into bitcoin. Funny really when you think about it.

If I had a 4 figure bitcoin stash I probably wouldn’t sell any to be honest.



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post truth, post facts world

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OT: M2 money velocity in the U.S. the lowest point it has even been in recorded history. There is no economic recovery happening.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/M2V

But hey, let's just print trillions more of it! Yeah, that'll solve the problem.  Roll Eyes

That low velocity is deceptive, imho.
If and when covid era would be over, one way or another, all those unspent trillions will come to the fore, money velocity will increase first to the baseline and then, if people notice increased inflation, it would go up and up and then we would be in the inflationary crisis. Everything predicts the reversal of the bond market at some point.

Yes but, there are 2 counter forces holding back inflation at the main street level:

1. Personal household debt (highest on record)

2. Capped out wage/salary increases (aka non-existent raises)

As long as both of these factors stay in play, Average Joes cannot afford anything more than essential goods and services and servicing personal outstanding debt (house/car/credit cards/student loan debt). Therefore baseline goods/services inflation will never go anywhere much, but over longer timeframe will continue to eat away at Average Joes' monthly cash flow.

Real asset price inflation (e.g. real estate, stocks, PMs, Bitcoin, fine art/collectibles), however, will continue to skyrocket. Because this is really where all those 'unspent trillions' are going.
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https://archive.vn/H6afR Palantir is not a data company

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post truth, post facts world

Peter Thiel you are a fucking liar and a traitor.

Gzuz, what did happen to V8's account?  Shocked
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Nothing. I'm away from home for a bit.
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Nothing. I'm away from home for a bit.

how many merits do you need for next step?

Is full member 50 or 100?
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Nothing. I'm away from home for a bit.

how many merits do you need for next step?

Is full member 50 or 100?

Full member is 100 merit (and 120 activity)

But please don't lavish 'em on this account. I mean I'd like a hat and all, but there's no rush.
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(My pain and fatigue story)


i had no clue about all this. wishing you the best for your health.


Thanks, man  Smiley Appreciating it!
It all started after a viral infection which started out with very low fever but kept me busy about four weeks, followed by fatigue and muscle weakness.
Doctors said it's a burnout (i was a workaholic, but i didn't really suffer from it), so they reccomended b-vitamins, those made me get better to some degree, but some more health problems came up at the time, because i didn't address them before (sorry, i had to work  Grin)

FMS seems to "make whimps out of men", as some victims are describing it, and i can totally understand that point of view, but i got used to a lot of pain from skateboarding already, and i also wasn't the type that tends to give up on himself. Additionally, i was positive about whatever life was throwing at me, most of the time at least.

Taking an extra 250mg of Thiamine (five times the usual dose) resolved all this within a matter of three days.

Five? Are you sure about that? The US RDA for Thiamine is about 1.2mg/day.

Right. 50mg was my daily dose (added to 4mg from my daily b-vitamin pills), an absolute minimum to be able to cope with an ordinary day. It's a lot better in summer (an FMS fact, as i also found out lately).
Doing more physical work requires higher doses, if you don't want to get the pain and fatigue for days afterwards.
It's tricky, because as long as you are active, you don't get really exhausted, but after you stop and start to relax, the hammer comes and hits you.

Warning: Nohomo  is the least funny joke in the universe. It was that unfunny the first time and to this day. Everyone sprouting it over and over thinking its hilarious. :roll:

I wasn't aware of it as much as a joke, but more like a statement.

Just saw this, and your other post (too many beers...).

Thanks for sharing, all the very best! We all will have to deal with health issues at some point in our lives, and it is then when we realise how important our health is. Even 1,000,000 BTC is worthless to you if you can't enjoy it. That's why we have to seize the moment and enjoy our lives whenever we can, and not postpone things for "later"...
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(My pain and fatigue story)


(and the other post)


Just saw this, and your other post (too many beers...).

Thanks for sharing, all the very best! We all will have to deal with health issues at some point in our lives, and it is then when we realise how important our health is. Even 1,000,000 BTC is worthless to you if you can't enjoy it. That's why we have to seize the moment and enjoy our lives whenever we can, and not postpone things for "later"...

Enjoy your beers  Grin
My second thought to leave my story here is that it maybe helps somebody some day, a friend or relative of a WO with similar issues for example.

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Damnit!  Who at this stupid company (Coinbase)  is the one who makes the decisions that determine that EVERYTHING they do is done in a way that puts Bitcoin in a backseat.

Was gonna buy something at Protonmail...



I mean they do not sell as many shitcoins as Kraken or Gemini or whoever, but at least those companies treat bitcoin like the 900lb gorilla that it is.

It's like Armstrong has been trying from the very beginning to sweep bitcoin out of the way for...

well... for...

What exactly?  ETH?

Damnit.
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https://twitter.com/BitMEXResearch/status/1327984443680825349?s=20

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Not looking good for BCHA so far...

WHAT IS THIS A FORK WAR FOR ANTS?

Which one is which?

I don't even understand it so far.

Probably not affecting BTC in any kind of way except for causing a bit of entertainment  - including showing that forking was dumb in the first place...
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