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March 31, 2017, 10:15:22 AM
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Ouch! This is my first time to read a thread on ICONOMI here in BitcoinTalk and I am dealt with a little bad news...or is it a bad new really? I have seen some people here pulling out of ICONOMI...now am wondering should I pull out mine too...or is there is something worth looking forward to...something these people have not seen behind the smoke?

While I was in the cave, I have this assumption that things are getting better in the ICONOMI. I would gladly read any further comment along this line. I need enlightenment, please. Smiley

What I think personnaly: This is the same team, working on the same initial idea and still will working together... so why do they need to do another ICO ? what that will change ? If they can't focus on the idea now they won't focus tomorrow if this is the same team

Jan already answered that on Slack today. It's similar to what I said in my post..  Come and check out Slack if you want. Long conversation with Jan, so don't want to repost.  Smiley
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March 31, 2017, 10:22:27 AM
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SO.....THEY FINALLY REALISED THAT HEY, THESE NERDS ON BITCOINTALK ARE FLUSH WITH MONEY.

HOW ABOUT WE DO ANOTHER ICO AND TAKE AS MUCH BTC AS WE CAN FROM THESE IDIOTS

NAH...

FUCKING STINKS.

THE FACT THAT THEY ARE DOING IT IN SUCH A CONNIVING WAY AS WELL...

CANNOT TRUST ICONOMI ANYMORE.

THANK YOU FOR THE PROFITS.

AM OUT.



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Every new investment by ICONOMI will bring more profit to ICN holders.Business operates in a dynamic environment and you need to constantly make new strategies and plans to adopt to ever changing business environment.

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March 31, 2017, 10:25:27 AM
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ICONOMI PLEASE CLARIFY  Huh

I don't like the sound of this cofound.it spinoff...

As per core team, cofund.it will be made of Jan Isakovic, Daniel Zakrisson, Zenel Batagelj & Tim Zagar (advisor only...)

Jan Isakovic joined ICONOMI in November 2016 with the goal to help the team reach it's full potential...
(https://medium.com/iconominet/iconomi-kickstarts-its-ico-mentoring-programme-with-jan-isakovic-ff38a5ae91d1)

Daniel Zakrisson also joined ICONOMI sometime in November 2016 as the head of investment evaluation for the ICONOMI.performance fund...
(https://medium.com/iconominet/introducing-daniel-zakrisson-iconomis-head-of-investment-evaluation-1b443210eb5d)

Zenel Batagelj, cofounder and partner in Valicon (marketing consulting firm), served ICONOMI as an adviser on business model development, strategy and branding.
(http://www.valicon.net/2016/04/zenel-batagelj-cofounder-and-partner-in-valicon-named-as-the-advertising-person-of-the-year/)

Tim Zagar, currently cofounder of ICONOMI will also serve Cofound.it as a strategic advisor...

Why are they leaving ICONOMI? Conflict of interest? Disagreement on business plan or something else ICONOMI should urgently clarify? Who's left on board?

Another curiosity about cofund.it core team:

Romina @ STELLAR (https://www.stellar.org/about):


Romina @ COFUN.IT:


Nice copy-paste Wink
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March 31, 2017, 10:31:07 AM
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Who gives a fuck , ICONOMI team know how to make money, so chill and let them do it for you Grin


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March 31, 2017, 10:33:18 AM
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Tomorrow is the big day.Lets see what happens.Icn will either die or pump to new level

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March 31, 2017, 10:34:41 AM
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Lol...

My thought exactly..  Smiley  This is what we call "a storm in a teacup."   Wink  Two members who are not really "developers" to begin with left for a complementary business (who will continue to serve Iconomi with their research and knowledge), and we have a splitting of Iconomi into two teams?  Grin

Talking about spinning a non-event into a crisis. Jeez.. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Whales take advantage of any novelty to destabilize prices and appropriate your tokens.
Each day that passes, it will be more difficult to try to keep the ICN price low  Grin Grin Grin.
The pump is approaching.
HOLD. Cool

Ok, I've held my tongue too long...

You're right. It's not a crisis. It's just laughable. They got more than enough money in ICO already. There's no need for this to be a new company. They could execute the exact same thing within Iconomi, using funds they already have.

The fact they type out some quick explanation in a blog post doesn't change that, and people dancing along to their tune (like you) just come across as naive. Actually, YOU personally come across as somebody who is working for them.

People who say Iconomi are making great decisions, money making pros etc... Maybe you're right - they're good at making money... for themselves.

This team are full of lies and broken promises. And now they are literally running a second ICO, and passing it off as something different. They've packaged a second ICO as "these 2 guys who work for Iconomi are starting a separate entity" and people are actually falling for it.

I've seen so many people mock second rounds (including fanboys on Slack) and I believe one of the Medium posts even said a second round is a bad sign. Yet when Iconomi does it, it's all good, because they worded it just right enough to make it look different. It's not different at all, no matter how many mental gymnastics you do.

Have they even sorted out the major problem they had, with their platform inevitably causing major price movements in the market? The problem they couldn't solve on their own, and had to ask INVESTORS if they knew somebody capable of solving it for them.

Honestly, some of you here are wedged so far up Iconomi's ass that they could literally cancel the project, say "Actually we're taking a year off to rethink this whole thing" and you'd STILL say "Nice move Iconomi! Another great decision from the team. You all need a nice rest. This is good for Iconomi in the long run. Mewn!"

... and anybody who even voices opinions like these are accused of spreading FUD. Open your eyes. These people are taking you for a ride, because they can - and because you're letting them.

Anyway, go ahead and shout me down. Call me a fudder. Think I'm an idiot. I'm just sharing my honest opinion. Hopefully it will resonate with some people. The ones who agree are probably already gone, or slowly closing their positions.

To the ones who disagree... I said it before; I wish you luck. I just wanted to get this off my chest.

Edit: Woah! So many people replied while I was typing this!
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March 31, 2017, 10:37:34 AM
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Who gives a fuck , ICONOMI team know how to make money, so chill and let them do it for you Grin

THEY ARE MAKING MONEY FOR THEMSELVES YOU FUCKING IDIOT.

TAKE YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR FUCKING ASS FOR ONCE IN YOUR LIFE AND TAKE CONTROL INSTEAD OF BEING A LAZY FUCKER ON AUTO-PILOT.



I have made 150% ROI on ICN, faggot. Wink You seems come from shitty place because normal language is not your friend. Good luck on shitting your pants when people will get over 1000% ROI out of it.

I am working on my businesses 24/7, crypto is just passive income. So maybe you have the issues with your own life, I see you have BIG EGO and small dick.


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March 31, 2017, 10:41:00 AM
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First the buy back news boost us to 64 then this splitting team news pull us back to 50..great job iconomi. Great job.

They should of released the splitting of the team first, down we go again.   Sad

Where can I read about any split, smells very scammy to me.
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Lol...

My thought exactly..  Smiley  This is what we call "a storm in a teacup."   Wink  Two members who are not really "developers" to begin with left for a complementary business (who will continue to serve Iconomi with their research and knowledge), and we have a splitting of Iconomi into two teams?  Grin

Talking about spinning a non-event into a crisis. Jeez.. Cheesy Cheesy Cheesy

Whales take advantage of any novelty to destabilize prices and appropriate your tokens.
Each day that passes, it will be more difficult to try to keep the ICN price low  Grin Grin Grin.
The pump is approaching.
HOLD. Cool

Ok, I've held my tongue too long...

You're right. It's not a crisis. It's just laughable. They got more than enough money in ICO already. There's no need for this to be a new company. They could execute the exact same thing within Iconomi, using funds they already have.

The fact they type out some quick explanation in a blog post doesn't change that, and people dancing along to their tune (like you) just come across as naive. Actually, YOU personally come across as somebody who is working for them.

People who say Iconomi are making great decisions, money making pros etc... Maybe you're right - they're good at making money... for themselves.

This team are full of lies and broken promises. And now they are literally running a second ICO, and passing it off as something different. They've packaged a second ICO as "these 2 guys who work for Iconomi are starting a separate entity" and people are actually falling for it.

I've seen so many people mock second rounds (including fanboys on Slack) and I believe one of the Medium posts even said a second round is a bad sign. Yet when Iconomi does it, it's all good, because they worded it just right enough to make it look different. It's not different at all, no matter how many mental gymnastics you do.

Have they even sorted out the major problem they had, with their platform inevitably causing major price movements in the market? The problem they couldn't solve on their own, and had to ask INVESTORS if they knew somebody capable of solving it for them.

Honestly, some of you here are wedged so far up Iconomi's ass that they could literally cancel the project, say "Actually we're taking a year off to rethink this whole thing" and you'd STILL say "Nice move Iconomi! Another great decision from the team. You all need a nice rest. This is good for Iconomi in the long run. Mewn!"

... and anybody who even voices opinions like these are accused of spreading FUD. Open your eyes. These people are taking you for a ride, because they can - and because you're letting them.

Anyway, go ahead and shout me down. Call me a fudder. Think I'm an idiot. I'm just sharing my honest opinion. Hopefully it will resonate with some people. The ones who agree are probably already gone, or slowly closing their positions.

To the ones who disagree... I said it before; I wish you luck. I just wanted to get this off my chest.

Edit: Woah! So many people replied while I was typing this!

I will agree that it's not cool to make new project while other is not working. It's sketchy, though it can be good for them and us, there is risk always. They made second project just to supplement first and to be sure that one of it really gets on top one day.

I personally think that their new baby will not succeed because their business model is not clear as ICONOMI and in all cases depends on people who are making new projects, so it's very high risk thing.

Though, ICONOMI will be fundamental project which will support this new one with the success of their own,but only if they will launch that platform and it will work as planned. Good luck to all of us!


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March 31, 2017, 10:55:25 AM
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I will agree that it's not cool to make new project while other is not working. It's sketchy, though it can be good for them and us, there is risk always. They made second project just to supplement first and to be sure that one of it really gets on top one day.

I personally think that their new baby will not succeed because their business model is not clear as ICONOMI and in all cases depends on people who are making new projects, so it's very high risk thing.

Though, ICONOMI will be fundamental project which will support this new one with the success of their own,but only if they will launch that platform and it will work as planned. Good luck to all of us!

Thank you for your reasonable reply.

I have said before, I'll still buy ICNX if it ever reaches the public. So I'm not totally against the project. But so many things have made me lose faith in the team.

At least if the platform launches successfully, I'll be able to trust them for getting that finished, which is why I'll happily buy their product.
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March 31, 2017, 11:05:54 AM
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March 31, 2017, 11:14:07 AM
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Nice find.

I'd be interested to see what the die-hard fans think of that.

There might be some justification, but I can't think of one. Just looks really sketchy. This was planned months ago, but we're being told it's a new idea born from necessity.

Does anybody have any different thoughts on that?

Edit: If anybody thinks I'm looking to buy back in cheaper, put that thought out of your mind right now. I'm not touching ICN again. Far too risky, even at 20k sat.
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March 31, 2017, 11:17:03 AM
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Wasn't the platform going to add beta testers (which it did) and launch in Q1 2017? I thought it read that somewhere...
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March 31, 2017, 11:31:48 AM
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Early thought on Iconomi's latest move:

You can think of the new arrangement this way: Iconomi will continue to play the role of a passive hedge fund investor, while cofound.it will take on the traditional functions of a venture capital firm.

To me, this move does make sense because it'll give "Iconomi the Brand" a bit of needed clarity. one of the problems I identified last month is that Iconomi was doing too many things at once: It was acting as an offshore hedge fund, venture capital firm, and a trading platform. (see my post from Feb. 24th).

Iconomi was trying too hard to be a "Jack of all trades." There is a downside to this approach of lumping every business activities under one name -- 1) it's easy to lose focus and get distracted by the side businesses, and not spend as much effort and energy on what's really making money for your core business, 2) the team might not be as effective because overlapping roles will create confusion to the team members' individual responsibilities, 3) your brand might suffer a clarify issue and will not be appealing to your potential customers. For instance, a startup company might not want to get involved with Iconomi because he thinks that Iconomi is just a digital platform and not a serious, traditional venture capital firm. This is the kind of "brand clarity" issue I'm talking about. This is what having a dedicated venture capital arm like cofound.it can solve.


That point of yours is really valid by my opinion. Focusing on core business and outsource what is not your corebusiness seems like a good idea

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March 31, 2017, 11:35:57 AM
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What if cofound.it is just a small spin-off collecting 1-2mln USD by its ICO? they are collecting money to pay some coaches. cmon guys, its no big deal!!!
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March 31, 2017, 11:36:39 AM
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Yani's word:

"it in no way impacts core ICONOMI development and business
the risk is all on cofound.it "

So why the f*** are panic, the team stays the same, the vision is the same...people come and go, face it, ffs
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March 31, 2017, 11:56:21 AM
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Domain: cofound.it
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I own about 20-30 URL's that I'm not using.  I'm just waiting for the right opportunity or project to use one of the names.  

Jani and Jan confirmed on slack that ICN holders will effectively own a % of this new company.  The exact details will be released.

IMO new companies would rather work with a company that is purely focused on ICO's (like CoFound.it) than a company that also has their own project (like ICONOMI).  

It was also confirmed yesterday in the slack all due diligence and information sourced by CoFound.it would be passed onto ICONOMI for free.  Other companies who plan to invest would need to pay for this data.  Also ICONOMI will retain a share of the company CoFound.it.

The fact that CoFound.it is partnering with Deloitte brings enormous credibility and enormous potential for our ICNP investments.

 Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin Grin
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March 31, 2017, 12:02:42 PM
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Ok, I've held my tongue too long...

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Hi Mendeleev,

Thanks for the encouragement.  I'm actually flattered by your comment.  Smiley  It really speaks volume for the quality of my analysis.  Grin  The truth is I was genuinely happy when Iconomi accepted my proposal of the "buyback program" and went through with it.  It was really a coincidence though.

So.. what lies and broken promises you were talking about?  Were you holding your tongue too, when ICN was flying for the past 3 days? Smiley Your post has more holes than Swiss cheese, so I won't bother to refute it.  Smiley

And No, I don't work for Iconomi. I do consider it an honor when someone insinuates it though.  Smiley
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March 31, 2017, 12:08:14 PM
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Price prediction after 1 April?
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Price prediction after 1 April?
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