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April 12, 2017, 07:24:21 PM
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You are operating under the assumption that ICN represents ownership of anything. One of the concerns is that the token 'ICN' is now completely divorced from the platform, and serves purely as a stake in the company's success, with its value driven by nothing but speculation. Under this sort of set-up, the value of the token is not necessarily driven by the success of the platform.

How is that different than previous profits distribution way, aka dividends, or from any other company in the world?

How is ICN completely divorced from the platform? Currently it's backed up by Iconomi assets - ICO money, ICNP and ICNX funds. the rest is speculation for future success.
How is that different than any other stock out there? If the company products/services are used by a lot of people, and the company has a solid business model - this will drive tits stock price up.
Same with Iconomi

It was backed up by the assets when dividends were going to be paid from the profits realised, and when people were more convinced they actually owned something. That gave the token value in the form of a 'passive income'.

I have explained this before. The connection is purely psychological now (not my words... the words of people who favour buybacks)

I might be wrong. I've said that too. But I am explaining the reasons behind people's concerns, and why more information is required from the team.

There's a number of ways of looking at it, and not all of them are positive. This is why people are asking questions, and want answers.

People like you have just been replying with "best case" responses, which aren't backed by any concrete information. Again, as I've stated before, you should be encouraging the team to respond to the concerns people have raised - not attempting to respond to them yourself. There's no point, because people don't want YOUR answers. They want the team to answer.

It's just irritating when somebody talks about these things, and the only response they get is a random user giving some silly calculation based on reduced supply, or some other baseless theory about why this system will work.

You all seem to think you're the experts with all of the answers, and people with questions aren't "enlightened" enough to understand the methods of the wise and powerful gods of Iconomi  Roll Eyes
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April 12, 2017, 07:28:27 PM
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No troll intended...but I'm just sick of hearing it. I'm an ICO investor and it is what it is. All i see is complaining. Like I said in a previous post...if you're a developer and you can create something better than do so...if not, give these guys credit for doing the best they can to deliver a solid product.
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You are operating under the assumption that ICN represents ownership of anything. One of the concerns is that the token 'ICN' is now completely divorced from the platform, and serves purely as a stake in the company's success, with its value driven by nothing but speculation. Under this sort of set-up, the value of the token is not necessarily driven by the success of the platform.

How is that different than previous profits distribution way, aka dividends, or from any other company in the world?

How is ICN completely divorced from the platform? Currently it's backed up by Iconomi assets - ICO money, ICNP and ICNX funds. the rest is speculation for future success.
How is that different than any other stock out there? If the company products/services are used by a lot of people, and the company has a solid business model - this will drive tits stock price up.
Same with Iconomi

It was backed up by the assets when dividends were going to be paid from the profits realised, and when people were more convinced they actually owned something. That gave the token value in the form of a 'passive income'.

I have explained this before. The connection is purely psychological now (not my words... the words of people who favour buybacks)

I might be wrong. I've said that too. But I am explaining the reasons behind people's concerns, and why more information is required from the team.

There's a number of ways of looking at it, and not all of them are positive. This is why people are asking questions, and want answers.

People like you have just been replying with "best case" responses, which aren't backed by any concrete information. Again, as I've stated before, you should be encouraging the team to respond to the concerns people have raised - not attempting to respond to them yourself. There's no point, because people don't want YOUR answers. They want the team to answer.

It's just irritating when somebody talks about these things, and the only response they get is a random user giving some silly calculation based on reduced supply, or some other baseless theory about why this system will work.

You all seem to think you're the experts with all of the answers, and people with questions aren't "enlightened" enough to understand the methods of the wise and powerful gods of Iconomi  Roll Eyes

Incredibly false.

ICN will be able to deliver hard financial statements (Balance sheet, income statement, statement of cash flows, etc) and will be far more value driven and less psychological than just about any other crypto available.

Hell, a year from now you'll be able to analyze it by EPS (earnings per share... or earnings per coin would be more apt, I suppose), like any fundamental, financially viable, value based investment.

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April 12, 2017, 07:35:24 PM
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You are operating under the assumption that ICN represents ownership of anything. One of the concerns is that the token 'ICN' is now completely divorced from the platform, and serves purely as a stake in the company's success, with its value driven by nothing but speculation. Under this sort of set-up, the value of the token is not necessarily driven by the success of the platform.

How is that different than previous profits distribution way, aka dividends, or from any other company in the world?

How is ICN completely divorced from the platform? Currently it's backed up by Iconomi assets - ICO money, ICNP and ICNX funds. the rest is speculation for future success.
How is that different than any other stock out there? If the company products/services are used by a lot of people, and the company has a solid business model - this will drive tits stock price up.
Same with Iconomi

It was backed up by the assets when dividends were going to be paid from the profits realised, and when people were more convinced they actually owned something. That gave the token value in the form of a 'passive income'.

I have explained this before. The connection is purely psychological now (not my words... the words of people who favour buybacks)

I might be wrong. I've said that too. But I am explaining the reasons behind people's concerns, and why more information is required from the team.

There's a number of ways of looking at it, and not all of them are positive. This is why people are asking questions, and want answers.

People like you have just been replying with "best case" responses, which aren't backed by any concrete information. Again, as I've stated before, you should be encouraging the team to respond to the concerns people have raised - not attempting to respond to them yourself. There's no point, because people don't want YOUR answers. They want the team to answer.

It's just irritating when somebody talks about these things, and the only response they get is a random user giving some silly calculation based on reduced supply, or some other baseless theory about why this system will work.

You all seem to think you're the experts with all of the answers, and people with questions aren't "enlightened" enough to understand the methods of the wise and powerful gods of Iconomi  Roll Eyes

lol
what is people like me? And who nominated you to represent the voice of the "disappointed" and the concerned?
Last time I checked, it was a forum, and by its definition, people discuss things, it is not an official AMA channel.

Anyway, your explanation about the backed up assets makes no sense. Same goes for the over-chewed dividends. You don't know how that would work too. The main thing is Iconomi generating profits.
If you, or anyone else bought in due to ethereum dividends and hoped to open a long accumulating position - just go and buy ethereum.

At the moment there are several things that are required from the team:
1. Keep developing the platform and release it to the public
2. PR, updates and the rest of the semi whining requests

Since we are still in beta, I think keep developing is more important.
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Last edit: April 14, 2017, 03:52:10 PM by synthgauge
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EDIT - Furthermore, ETH dividends were a big reason why this project was attractive to many.  Dismissing these investor concerns as FUD is incredibly toxic.  Not every post is/has been deleted - but this moderator has been out of control (IMO)

Nah, he's left loads of critical posts in. It's mostly the 'newbie' posts which are being removed. I do think that the points raised by e.g. TheTruthIsOutThere have been valid, though. But he is also a bit of a troll  Roll Eyes



He purged this thread from babbling and shittalking, give a credit to him. Posts that he overlooked will be deleted later on when he gets back online and surfs through the thread again. He employs a multi-checking modding technique known only to a select few members of secret red hat sect. When I lived in bangkok I was modding a small forum with over 100K users and quite often was forced to double check concerning threads where porn pics tended to appear.
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April 12, 2017, 07:50:19 PM
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lol
what is people like me? And who nominated you to represent the voice of the "disappointed" and the concerned?
Last time I checked, it was a forum, and by its definition, people discuss things, it is not an official AMA channel.

Anyway, your explanation about the backed up assets makes no sense. Same goes for the over-chewed dividends. You don't know how that would work too. The main thing is Iconomi generating profits.
If you, or anyone else bought in due to ethereum dividends and hoped to open a long accumulating position - just go and buy ethereum.

At the moment there are several things that are required from the team:
1. Keep developing the platform and release it to the public
2. PR, updates and the rest of the semi whining requests

Since we are still in beta, I think keep developing is more important.

People like you = die hard fanboys who can't imagine scenarios that might not align with your fanboy perspective. Sure, you're happy to let people like ME speak our mind - but at the end of the day, you've already decided we're wrong.

Nobody nominated me to do anything. I think it is self-evident that people want answers from the team. If you can't see that, then you've not been paying attention.

My explanation doesn't make sense to YOU. I accept that.

You're right - I DON'T know how it will work either. I already said I might be wrong. Pay attention. That's why people are asking questions, and aren't happy with the information they've been given so far.

This "put development first" response is rubbish too. Stop being such a ballbag. Jani has been replying to people on reddit - so he has already invested time into reading and responding... but he has avoided the questions he's been asked.

So, Daparski, I put it to you that if he has the time to issue half-baked responses, insult investors, and generally flail around reddit saying nothing of any value... then he has the time to actually respond to what people are asking him.

So, sorry, this "PR comes later" reply holds no water.

I would LOVE it if you end up financially worse-off because of a decision they make later down the line, which causes you to lose money. I really hope you come to this board, and express how upset it made you, so I can tell you to stop whining  Wink
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April 12, 2017, 07:51:46 PM
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Incredibly false.

ICN will be able to deliver hard financial statements (Balance sheet, income statement, statement of cash flows, etc) and will be far more value driven and less psychological than just about any other crypto available.

Hell, a year from now you'll be able to analyze it by EPS (earnings per share... or earnings per coin would be more apt, I suppose), like any fundamental, financially viable, value based investment.

I hope you are right.
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April 12, 2017, 08:10:54 PM
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lol
what is people like me? And who nominated you to represent the voice of the "disappointed" and the concerned?
Last time I checked, it was a forum, and by its definition, people discuss things, it is not an official AMA channel.

Anyway, your explanation about the backed up assets makes no sense. Same goes for the over-chewed dividends. You don't know how that would work too. The main thing is Iconomi generating profits.
If you, or anyone else bought in due to ethereum dividends and hoped to open a long accumulating position - just go and buy ethereum.

At the moment there are several things that are required from the team:
1. Keep developing the platform and release it to the public
2. PR, updates and the rest of the semi whining requests

Since we are still in beta, I think keep developing is more important.

People like you = die hard fanboys who can't imagine scenarios that might not align with your fanboy perspective. Sure, you're happy to let people like ME speak our mind - but at the end of the day, you've already decided we're wrong.

Nobody nominated me to do anything. I think it is self-evident that people want answers from the team. If you can't see that, then you've not been paying attention.

My explanation doesn't make sense to YOU. I accept that.

You're right - I DON'T know how it will work either. I already said I might be wrong. Pay attention. That's why people are asking questions, and aren't happy with the information they've been given so far.

This "put development first" response is rubbish too. Stop being such a ballbag. Jani has been replying to people on reddit - so he has already invested time into reading and responding... but he has avoided the questions he's been asked.

So, Daparski, I put it to you that if he has the time to issue half-baked responses, insult investors, and generally flail around reddit saying nothing of any value... then he has the time to actually respond to what people are asking him.

So, sorry, this "PR comes later" reply holds no water.

I would LOVE it if you end up financially worse-off because of a decision they make later down the line, which causes you to lose money. I really hope you come to this board, and express how upset it made you, so I can tell you to stop whining  Wink

looks like uncle Mendeleev is itchy today

I did my checks and due diligence during the ICO, and am following the team and the project closely even since. I asked a lot of questions back then and was satisfied with the answers.
After the ICO it is time to work and not to update, that's how I see it. Also, I do understand that not every quetion can be answered.
If I will see something fishy I will come out and say it.
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April 12, 2017, 08:14:56 PM
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looks like uncle Mendeleev is itchy today

I did my checks and due diligence during the ICO, and am following the team and the project closely even since. I asked a lot of questions back then and was satisfied with the answers.
After the ICO it is time to work and not to update, that's how I see it. Also, I do understand that not every quetion can be answered.
If I will see something fishy I will come out and say it.

I agree, just give it time, it takes time to build greatness! And if you do have serious concerns, go chat with the team on Slack, send them an e-mail, go visit them at the office, do whatever. But stop filling this thread with FUD and speculations, intentional or not.

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April 12, 2017, 08:41:05 PM
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lol
what is people like me? And who nominated you to represent the voice of the "disappointed" and the concerned?
Last time I checked, it was a forum, and by its definition, people discuss things, it is not an official AMA channel.

Anyway, your explanation about the backed up assets makes no sense. Same goes for the over-chewed dividends. You don't know how that would work too. The main thing is Iconomi generating profits.
If you, or anyone else bought in due to ethereum dividends and hoped to open a long accumulating position - just go and buy ethereum.

At the moment there are several things that are required from the team:
1. Keep developing the platform and release it to the public
2. PR, updates and the rest of the semi whining requests

Since we are still in beta, I think keep developing is more important.

People like you = die hard fanboys who can't imagine scenarios that might not align with your fanboy perspective. Sure, you're happy to let people like ME speak our mind - but at the end of the day, you've already decided we're wrong.

Nobody nominated me to do anything. I think it is self-evident that people want answers from the team. If you can't see that, then you've not been paying attention.

My explanation doesn't make sense to YOU. I accept that.

You're right - I DON'T know how it will work either. I already said I might be wrong. Pay attention. That's why people are asking questions, and aren't happy with the information they've been given so far.

This "put development first" response is rubbish too. Stop being such a ballbag. Jani has been replying to people on reddit - so he has already invested time into reading and responding... but he has avoided the questions he's been asked.

So, Daparski, I put it to you that if he has the time to issue half-baked responses, insult investors, and generally flail around reddit saying nothing of any value... then he has the time to actually respond to what people are asking him.

So, sorry, this "PR comes later" reply holds no water.

I would LOVE it if you end up financially worse-off because of a decision they make later down the line, which causes you to lose money. I really hope you come to this board, and express how upset it made you, so I can tell you to stop whining  Wink

Mendeleev is speaking the truth here.  Not everybody is drinking the koolaid.

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April 12, 2017, 08:53:44 PM
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OP updated this morning. Changes to the team listed.

Removed:
Primoz Kordez, Fund infrastructure lead
Jan Isakovic, Mentoring program lead
Daniel Zakrisson, Head of investment evaluation
Meta Vrhnjak, Special operations
Niko Klansek, Special operations
Jaka Mele, Corporate communications
Miha Martinjak, development

Added:
Zenel Batagelj, Strategy Advisor
Egidijus Norkus, Product Owner
Oskars Vilitis, Senior Architect
Jan Mohoric, Developer
Sava Lazin, Developer
Klemen Zagar, iOS Developer
Paraskevi Karageorgu, Copyright/Customer Support

Team listing is more weighted towards coders/developers after the change

Gregor Kobal (Customer Support) corrected my post in slack:

Quote from: gregork
actually, only 3 really left:
Niko Klansek, Special operations
Jaka Mele, Corporate communications
Miha Martinjak, development
Out of 7 Removed:
Jan Isakovic, Mentoring program lead - now at Cofound.it
Daniel Zakrisson, Head of investment evaluation - now at Cofound.it
Primoz Kordez, Fund infrastructure lead - still here
Meta Vrhnjak, Special operations - still here

And 7 new:
Zenel Batagelj, Strategy Advisor
Egidijus Norkus, Product Owner
Oskars Vilitis, Senior Architect
Jan Mohoric, Developer
Sava Lazin, Developer
Klemen Zagar, iOS Developer
Paraskevi Karageorgu, Copyright/Customer Support

I am part of the team. It is a privilege to work at Iconomi. The team is great.
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April 12, 2017, 09:09:34 PM
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By the way, one of the team mentioned that ICN will probably have another use on the platform itself besides being a voting token and will therefore be some kind of usage token as well. But nothing concrete yet.

No I don't have screenshots and I won't search it in slack.

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April 12, 2017, 09:18:51 PM
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looks like uncle Mendeleev is itchy today

I did my checks and due diligence during the ICO, and am following the team and the project closely even since. I asked a lot of questions back then and was satisfied with the answers.
After the ICO it is time to work and not to update, that's how I see it. Also, I do understand that not every quetion can be answered.
If I will see something fishy I will come out and say it.

I agree, just give it time, it takes time to build greatness! And if you do have serious concerns, go chat with the team on Slack, send them an e-mail, go visit them at the office, do whatever. But stop filling this thread with FUD and speculations, intentional or not.
Hey, i have been away from this thread traiding alts (stil hodl icn) Mendeleev you are dominating this forum please use youre time to figure out how much icn cryptowat.ch was holding (the bounty for listing icn on there site) before kraken aquired it and you my find stuff out (follow the money) post the info here and quit the fud and let the team do what i have invested in: programing stuff to existence...
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April 12, 2017, 09:35:50 PM
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By the way, one of the team mentioned that ICN will probably have another use on the platform itself besides being a voting token and will therefore be some kind of usage token as well. But nothing concrete yet.

No I don't have screenshots and I won't search it in slack.

That would be good news.

Hey, i have been away from this thread traiding alts (stil hodl icn) Mendeleev you are dominating this forum please use youre time to figure out how much icn cryptowat.ch was holding (the bounty for listing icn on there site) before kraken aquired it and you my find stuff out (follow the money) post the info here and quit the fud and let the team do what i have invested in: programing stuff to existence...

I have been quiet the past few days. As I implied a few days ago, it's easy to dominate with questions/concerns in a largely dead board, for a project that has provided little in the way of answers. The alternative is useless moon talk. Deal with it.

It's not FUD, and I won't quit. I invested in them too, so what makes you think I should prioritise your interests over my own?

If you have something to say about cryptowatch, then say it. Don't talk in riddles. Are you Robinhood? ... This is the sort of nonsense he used to come out with too.

Edit: Never mind, I just realised this is a 'newbie' account, so I'm free to dismiss everything you just said, as per the rules laid out by Daparski.
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April 12, 2017, 09:44:40 PM
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looks like uncle Mendeleev is itchy today

Yo momma gave me crabs.

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I did my checks and due diligence during the ICO, and am following the team and the project closely even since. I asked a lot of questions back then and was satisfied with the answers.
After the ICO it is time to work and not to update, that's how I see it. Also, I do understand that not every quetion can be answered.
If I will see something fishy I will come out and say it.

Yeah, you were satisfied with those answers - some of which have since turned out to be bullshit.

Due diligence doesn't mean "they fed me a bunch of bullshit 6 months ago, and I bought it". You mook.

Diligent Daparksi is dead. You are a mere shadow of your former self. I hold no hope of you calling out anything fishy, because you've become more shill than man at this point.

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Daparksi can you stop this smokescreen i have a strong feeling mendeleev is just another warren_buffet gay stuff. Kick this dude off this thread he is posting large amount of texst so nobody is capable of following real stuff that is going on in iconomy im reading this tread like a book and its all about mendeleev just like in the last thread with warren_buffet.
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April 12, 2017, 09:54:16 PM
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Daparksi can you stop this smokescreen i have a strong feeling mendeleev is just another warren_buffet gay stuff. Kick this dude off this thread he is posting large amount of texst so nobody is capable of following real stuff that is going on in iconomy im reading this tread like a book and its all about mendeleev just like in the last thread with warren_buffet.

Daparski, please remove RichardRemark's posts. He is using a newbie sock account to spread hype about cryptowatch, and adding nothing to the discussion.

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April 12, 2017, 10:03:11 PM
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yea, i like the moon stuff better than this bullshit. Riddles no use your time propper and get me the answers by your self or does Disparki and iconomi team needs to hold your hand in investing. Robbin Hood if you know him tell him he still owns me gold becouse you seem to be a time traveler or something? Noobie great comeback, how about iconomi just existed not that long ago and i am a real invester in this project.
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April 12, 2017, 10:07:17 PM
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yea, i like the moon stuff better than this bullshit. Riddles no use your time propper and get me the answers by your self or does Disparki and iconomi team needs to hold your hand in investing. Robbin Hood if you know him tell him he still owns me gold becouse you seem to be a time traveler or something? Noobie great comeback, how about iconomi just existed not that long ago and i am a real invester in this project.

lol, what a load of nonsense.

You got your wish, though. Daparski is back to being a thread nazi:

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April 12, 2017, 10:16:10 PM
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I have full faith on ICONOMI and believe it is a long run project.1 years down the link, people will repent selling their tokens for cheap just like people sold ETH and BTC in early days

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